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Good Dumplings posted:Also good luck resolution associates!!! Nice. Reserve Pilot Thunderlips says: JACKAMANIA RUNS WILD!
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Reserve Pilot Thunderlips says: OH YES, BROTHER! He also wants to know what part of the total FY profit we are expected to pay off to shareholders as dividends.
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Apr 4, 2017 09:42
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Reserve Pilot Thunderlips asks: say, what' so bad about them J-10s, brother? They look like Chinese knock-off F-16, and Gripens regularly compete with F-16s in procurement tenders.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:46
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Quinntan posted:That is true, but a lot of air forces don't seem to think that is a significant issue; Poland, for example, operates MiG-29s and Su-22s along with their F-16s. Egypt has F-16s and has just accepted MiG-35s. Our Indian hosts operate Su-30s, MiG-29s, Mirage 2000s and Jaguars. There is another aspect to consider; we may have issues keeping every aircraft supplied, but we shouldn't have issues with keeping at least some aircraft supplied if we have a diverse air force. Reserve Pilot Thunderlips says: they're national air forces, brother! They have the resources of an entire country's military to RUN WILD with their PROCUREMENTMANIA! Not to mention plenty of other, possibly political concerns, that SMASH the loss/profit calculation in their case! He is also adamant that he does not understand your obsession with bringing in literal Vietnam-era aircraft into our fleet. We don't run a plane boneyard.
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Apr 4, 2017 22:04
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Buy the Golden Hawks and a UAV, don't buy any Phantoms, drat, did a flight of Phantoms save a plane full of your collective mothers
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Apr 5, 2017 08:22
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Quinntan posted:That'd be the idea, take advantage of the low RCS and advanced weapons of the Gripen and have that serve as our primary air-to-air fighter while the Phantoms serve as fighter-bombers, with the ability to fight their way to a target and bomb it to kingdom come before going home. Why can't we have the FA-50s do that? What are the advantages of going with 40-years-old planes that cannot even reliably take off? Nobody is advocating buying the Phantoms as fighters and I don't think anyone thinks that's the point.
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Apr 5, 2017 08:42
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Quinntan posted:What the Phantoms can do that the FA-50s can't is shoot AMRAAMs. The Vietnam vets can engage targets beyond visual range, the FA-50s are limited to Sidewinders only. If we do not have any AMRAAMs and do not intend to use the F-4s as fighters anyway, then what's the difference?
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Apr 5, 2017 09:08
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Crazycryodude posted:Taking over a third-world country to use as our own personal fiefdom is honestly not the worst idea the thread has ever had... Trivia: according to E.N. Luttwak's Coup d'Etat: A Practical Handbook, between 1945 and 2010 there were 8 coups d'etat conducted with foreign mercenaries as one of the main parties, and 3 of those have been successful. The countries targeted included Comoros, Maldives, Seychelles, Chad, and Equatorial Guinea.
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Apr 8, 2017 09:23
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Reserve Pilot Thunderlips says: for twenty mil? You bet your hat, brother! I can't wait to get into a Fulcrum, those things are sexy as hell.
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Apr 8, 2017 21:45
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stealth is a lie and chinese bootleg stealth is a double lie, we'll be fine bring out the sukhois
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Apr 8, 2017 22:56
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simplefish posted:Voting no on the museum buy. I was expecting a couple of helicopters really. Inasmuch as I disagree with you on the museum buy (Fulcrums  ), I have to say everything else you say is true. Maybe we should hit up the Brits and see if they're satisfied enough with their F-35s that they'd be willing to part with the Eurofighters...
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Apr 9, 2017 09:35
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So I was checking the news, and I saw this, and it immediately made me think of this thread, somehow.
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Frogfoots rule Phantom cowards drool, as expected
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Saros posted:If a commando team takes our your main radar arrray you think the first thing you'd do would be get some continuous CAP flying. They may have thought it was part of the Indian op, rather than our thing.
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Still-Reserve Pilot Thunderlips says: Rip in peace, my brother.
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Soup Inspector posted:PS: Paint "Dragon Slayers" on the side of our SK60s and/or whatever we replace them with. Clowning J-20s (even on the ground) in lovely light strike aircraft is worth commemorating. You mean "Dargon Slaiyurs", right?
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Apr 15, 2017 21:06
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Here's an alternative procurement scheme: 1x Tornado ECR (100 000 000) - since there was talk of us needing a dedicated SEAD/EAW platform. 4x JAS 39 Gripen C (280 000 000) - a tried and proven flying wonder that can and will do anything we want it to. We need more top of the line stuff - and we are very unlikely to get a chance to buy more during the op. 2x Mirage F.1C-200 (70 000 000) - a far more expensive, but also, in my view, better dedicated bomb truck than the lovely bad old grimey dusty rotten Vietnam-era garbage punk Phantoms. This variant cannot carry Paveways, but we have way more than enough other craft that can. It can carry And a side buy from our good friend Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov: 1x SA-22 (21 600 000) - for any and all air defence needs we may ever have. 2x Mi-24 Hind-D (40 800 000) - a rocket truck, a CAS craft, and a big boon to our boys on the ground, including ferrying their asses in and out of ops? Also a Hind-D? Sign me right the gently caress up, brother. Considering we both support ground forces and have ground forces, this would be a huge increase in capability for our force and I am super excited for having them on-side.
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Apr 16, 2017 10:17
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Just buy the SA-22. Even at 40% markup it's going to come cheaper than the multi-layer plan and is going to work a lot better, because that poo poo is baller as gently caress. Also, people who advocate buying just one Gripen and six loving Phantoms are the worst war criminals in this entire organisation, and we've done false flags and attacked civilian shipping
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Vando posted:If anything I'm starting to worry that my proposal doesn't include enough of them Every single Gripen is worth as much as ten Phantoms, so getting them at a 1:7 price ratio is a steal EDIT: Okay, serious talk. I get it, plenty of people love the Phantoms, I think you do so for no good reason, you think otherwise. That's fine. But any proposal that only replaces that one Gripen we have lost is foolish at best. Like I said, I'd say we have a 99% chance we won't be able to buy any Gripens in Angola of all places. And these planes are top of the line for us, they represent immense capability and have versatility absolutely unparalleled in our fleet. We need as many of those as we can get. You've seen what we've made them do so far. They flew CAP, they flew CAS, they flew ground attack, they flew anti-shipping, they flew SEAD and DEAD. And I'm fairly sure we could force them into any other odd role we may have in mind. Let's get plenty of them now. Any fairly old aircraft we can get on the cheap we will almost definitely be able to buy in-country. I understand prioritising stuff like tankers, SAMs, or ECW. But there is absolutely no need to prioritise savings or Phantoms or even Mirages over Gripens! Let's focus on the good stuff and buy the cheap bomb trucks later. Because, remember, we are buying the F-4s as bomb trucks with an IRIS-T hooked up just because there is a free mount and we might as well. Tevery Best fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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I suggest we add no more plans past this point. There is more than enough variety to go around at this point (although it appears clear that we seem to be divided along the lines of "Buy Gripens, worry later" and "One Gripen and a bunch of poo poo"). If I cannot vote for my own proposal, I'd go for TheGreatEvilKing's one. It has three Gripens and the best tanker we can get, although it does leave plenty of capital lying around.
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Apr 17, 2017 08:35
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I wonder what the other mercs' briefing about us is like.
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Soon-to-be-Active-Duty-Pilot Thunderlips asks: Could we please stop recruiting intel operatives at the local drunk tanks? Thanks in advance, brother.
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How many missiles does a Gargoyle battery load at once and how quickly can they reload?
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Yooper posted:A guy in the MilHist thread did some awesome posts on the Iran/Iraq war and how Saddam had this absolutely terrible officer corps. He picked officers for political reliability, timidness, and incompetence. Then when he really needed quality people he didn't have any at all, like none. Saddam was too afraid of threats to his own power to allow anyone competent to come up. Sure we'd like to think of our Dictator as a rational individual, but in all likelihood he's not. Where we see an incompetent military he sees a safe military that won't drag his corpse behind a truck. During the Six-Day War, Hafez Al-Assad (the father of Bashar) begged Syria's then-ruling strongman, Salah Jadid, to send the Syrian Army's two finest brigades - the 5th and the 70th - to the Golan Heights front to stop the Israeli advance. The Israelis were, at this point, done with the rest of the Arab coalition and smashing Syrians into a fine red mist. Jadid beat Assad up for just suggesting this, then told him one thing every dictator should know: The two brigades may have saved a few miles of dirt. But sending them out would have killed the regime. Dos Santos may be insane, and losing the war, but that does not mean his actions are not rational.
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SK60B Pilot Thunderlips says:Loel posted:Uh, we did not blow up the hotel "We did not blow it up, someone we collectively voted to hire and pay to fly combat missions for us did!" Brother, are you the CEO of Uber? Also, I have an insane plan for a mission. Codename WRESTLEMANIA 13. I'll try to post it later today, so stay tuned, Thundermaniacs.
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You people do realize that the Ministry of Defence is most likely not the actual headquarters of the Angolan Army? I mean, smashing some bureaucrats is going to disrupt the operations, but probably not to the extent that it would be worth killing a bunch of civilians for.
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 Operation WRESTLEMANIA 13 Theme Creative's intent: There's a big push going on from foreign powers for the Dictator. They buy his lithium and oil while selling him planes and tanks and whatnot. Much has been said about the need to bury that push, and I gotta say it seems like the smart thing to do. However, it doesn't appear like there are any real ways of doing that. Attacking shipping would be pretty much a war crime and bring angry foreign powers - codename CHYNA - breathing down our necks. Bombing the harbour would likewise piss off some pretty powerful people. And we can't do it in a ground op. But I think there is someone who can do it for us: The Free State. They're weak, their morale is collapsing, and they stand for nothing. People are running away from them to join the Hoff World Order - and I can see why, since we, the Hired Goons, are the cream of the crop, yeah. Even a huge victory on their end would not make them a serious threat - they're really the jobber of this theatre. But losing that port, even for a while, would be a real shoot chair shot to the dictator's head. So let's see if the Free State can take their chance and do their job if we give them the opportunity by whacking that funny red guy on our ops map.  General Now, I'm going to format this in a way that's not a chore to read, because why the gently caress should I not. This is a THUNDERLIPS operation, Thundermaniacs. So let's see what we've got. The plan is divided into two parts: Warm-up, which is recon and suppression of enemy air defences, and Main Event, which is a major bombing and cruise missile strike on any units of the Dictator we spot north of Luanda. Warm-up includes three missions and assorted support structure: Dark Match, which is the SEAD part of the plan, Gates, which is the reconnaissance element, and finally Face Turn, which is the plan to escort the Kfir defectors back to us. Main Event consists of Heel Turn, which is the main attack against the dictator's forces blocking Free State from overrunning Luanda, and assorted support operations. WARM-UP Warm-up begins at 0600. This phase requires: - Six Gripens - S 100 B - Four Tornadoes - Two Phantoms Keep the remaining two Gripens and half our Phantoms with A/A loadouts on a quick standby, too, in case we need them. Dark Match - Four Tornadoes loaded for bear with HARMs, divided into two flights - Dark Match 1 and Dark Match 2, based out of Menongue and moving to Lubango after the first sortie.  These guys are going to put on a LOT of work throughout the day. Starting from 0600, they will patrol along the border and hit any and all SAMs we spot within a 50 nm area north of the current border. If none are spotted, hit radars and AFB defences as outlined by the black arrows within the eastern area, trying to clear the corridors between us and the defector bases. Stay on Surge. On second sortie, target the area around Catumbela AFB. Priority should be given to the radar south of Lobito and the defences of the AFB in that area. Afterwards, RTB for retasking to Hitman. Gates - S 100 B - Two Phantoms with A/A loadouts  The S 100 B loiters along the line presented above. The overflight to over the sea is necessary to do some spotting on the Dictator's forces up north. During this time, it will be fairly vulnerable - which is why the two Phantoms are going to stay around with it and be ready to go down swinging to buy the Saab the time to bug out. In fact, the Saab should do whatever it takes to avoid engagements. The three planes will continue along the path, but only perform a western overflight once. This mission ends at 2200, but only the Phantoms should RTB; the SAAB should refuel in flight at this point. Face Turn - Six Gripens with Meteors and Litening pods - On standby: two more Gripens with Meteors and four Phantoms with AMRAAMs  These guys are supposed to keep the sky above Angola clear of hostiles. Split the six Gripens into three patrols (STONE, COLD, and AUSTIN) and make sure they rotate. Keep them on Surge and order the new patrol to take off when the previous one is at Bingo + 15% fuel, then RTB the old patrol when the new one is in the air. As soon as the Kfir defectors are spotted, or a major emergency occurs (such as a large strike at one of our bases or a concerted attempt to take down the S 100 B), execute STEVE: scramble all the Gripens that can be scrambled as well as the four Phantoms, then proceed to destroy any and all aerial threats to the Kfirs or whatever prompted the scramble. Do not fly more than 50 nm north of the current border. Do not enter foreign territory. Once the Kfirs land or the major threat is dealt with, have STEVE return to base. This mission is replaced by Vinnie Mac at 1730 hours, at which point the Gripens are to return to base for rearming and refuelling before Heel Turn. Associated support: - VC.10 K.4 as tanker, loitering in the Lubango area. - Light strikers may attack targets of opportunity in areas pacified by Dark Match. - The Sperwer and the Reaper (w/Gorgon Stare) should overfly the border between us and the two probable bases the defectors will be coming from in order to spot any and all SAMs. MAIN EVENT MAIN EVENT begins at 2330. This phase requires: - Eight Gripens - S 100 B - Four Tornadoes - Six Phantoms - KC-135 - Two AMX A-11s - EA-6B Prowler - Two Mirage F1.CRs When MAIN EVENT begins, place a no-fly zone over the western coast, like so:  This is intended to keep RTB-ing aircraft from overflying dangerous areas. If there is a better way to do it, do that instead. Regardless of circumstances, all aircraft involved in MAIN EVENT are to begin returning to base by 0430, if they are not there yet.  Heel Turn - Four Gripens loaded with SDBs - Four Phantoms loaded with GBU-12 Paveways - Two Mirage F1.CRs with Rafael SLAR recon pods These guys are flying out to put the pain on the Dictator's ground troops. Leave no later than 0130 (if not all planes are ready to go at this time, leave them at the base; if less than four planes are available, postpone by an hour, if still less than four are available, abandon MAIN EVENT) and fly west, over the Atlantic, then north. Refuel and gather at The Ring. Have the Mirages move parallel to the coast to detect possible targets with their SLARs. Attack any spotted enemy ground troops north of Luanda, with priority to SAMs, then other AA, then FOBs, then armour, then other targets. Expend no more than two SDBs per non-SAM target per volley. Sharpshooter - Four Gripens loaded with Meteors and Litening pods These guys fly as escorts. Remain within 30 nautical miles of Heel Turn. Hitman - Four Tornadoes loaded with HARMs Use these to suppress and destroy enemy air defences in the target area during the raid. Bret - Two AMX-A11s loaded with Durandals Bret is a little extra surprise and extra security for us. Their job is to fly slightly ahead of the pack and drop their Durandals on the runways in that AFB near Lobito (Catumbela?). Don't fly too far away from Sharpshooter's protective arms, don't go in if any SAMs more potent than a SA-2 are spotted. Upon dropping the Durandals, return home. Hart - EA-6B Prowler This plane serves as an impromptu air threat detection platform and as jammer. We've seen just how good it is at detecting bogeys, and it also has the distinction of being faster and more expendable than the S 100 B. Associated support - KC-135 as tanker. Fly it over the Atlantic, some 50 nm west of dry land. Vinnie Mac - Two Phantoms with AMRAAMs - S 100 B The Phantoms take over the patrol duties from the Face Turn patrols. The S 100 B is to stay way back in relative safety and point them at any jabronis from outta nowhere who try to sneak up on us in the dead of the night. EMCON Stolen from Psawhn, who is probably more knowledgeable than me about these things. EMCON is at pilot’s discretion while patrollng. Radars ON when engaging BVR, when escorting strike missions, and when the S 100B is on the ground. ___________ Right, so this is the first time I figured I'd make a plan. I'd really like to hear your questions, comments, suggestions and so forth. Tevery Best fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 3, 2017 |
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power crystals posted:Okay this wins best theming (even from a wrestling non-fan like myself). It's also the best hail mary plan I've seen yet and I'd probably vote for it if I didn't have my own. My main concern is that I don't know if you have enough time allocated to rearming - even at surge most loadouts are 6 hours. Granted some of this info I think you need to own the game to figure out because the websites don't go into huge detail here. Added Space posted:Tevery, I'm not a fan of your strategic goals. One of the main problems is recon. To spot Luanda you have to fly a ways north of Lubito - and that's for things in the air. Things on the ground are drat near invisible from the air unless you're right on top of them. Your Main Event strike group is trying to hit unspotted ground targets at night way on the other drat side of enemy territory, not to mention right next to their top stronghold. I doubt you could even find a target, much less hit it. Okay, so let's address both those concerns. The concern over the number of sorties can be solved by putting a hard cap on them. If we order the Gripens to be back at the base by 1730, they should be able to take part in ops from 2330 onward no problem. The Tornadoes could also be limited to two sorties before the MAIN EVENT. The first wave would perform DEAD on the two anticipated approach routes of the Kfirs, while the second would run the same against the Cotumbela AFB area. On the op proper, I wanted to load out the Tornadoes with HARMs for SEAD as well, but I forgot. As for recon: the Litening pods in conjunction with the Saab were doing very well spotting ground targets in Tibet. I don't think it would be all that much more difficult here. But, just to be extra sure, we can use the opportunity to try out the recon pods. The Mirages, in particular, can pick up a Rafael SLAR, which detects ground mobiles and fixed installations in a 40 NM radius. And it's night-capable. I think this is a good opportunity to check if we are capable of performing this kind of an op - a search and destroy against ground targets is something we have not really done yet, so far we have always had good intelligence on specific target locations or were working with stuff like the S-300, which has a huge radar footprint. This could be something new. EDIT: and moreover, we could do this in a relatively safe environment. As we know, the Dictator's air force is in shambles right now, and the greatest threats to us are the Buks being stealthy in ravines and forests. Meanwhile, MAIN EVENT approaches entirely over the sea, and you can't hide a Buk in the sea unless you are okay with not firing it any more. Tevery Best fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 3, 2017 |
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Didn't Yooper say they were on anti-piracy duties?
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Vando posted:This is another assumption and if I was the DM of a game like this I would totally be putting canon-compatible "Chinese aid" ships into the scenario the second my players started assuming they rule over the battlefield and can do whatever they like Ah, yes. Chinese ships. Been a while since we sent one to the bottom. I wonder if they'd send one with AA missiles this time.
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Heads up: I have amended Wrestlemania 13 to take into account the suggestions I have mentioned above.
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Grizzwold posted:I'm not going to bother reading any of the plans and just vote for the one whose name I like the most. Kitfox88 posted:Gonna go with Operation Wrestlemania '13, because we should go big or go home. Welcome aboard, Thundermaniacs! Just a little note: it's Wrestlemania 13, not '13. Wrestlemania 13 took place in 1997 and it kinda sucked EXCEPT for the legendary submission match between the heel Stone Cold Steve Austin and babyface Bret "The Hitman" Hart, where the latter - after an epic struggle - managed to put a hold on Austin, who nevertheless refused to tap out and only lost when he passed out from pain and blood loss. However, Hart did not stop brutalising his now unconscious opponent, leading the crowd to turn away from him and start cheering for Stone Cold. These were two of the greatest face/heel turns in wrestling history, and that they both happened in a single match is a rare example of a successful - and spectacularly so - double turn. The 2013 Wrestlemania (Wrestlemania 29) featured a main event between John Cena and The Rock and who cares about John Cena vs The Rock (it was also hilarious in that it was a repeat of the 2012 main event, which was billed "Once in a lifetime")
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I'm not sure we should be cheering for the Dictator dismantling the Free State. One, it makes him stronger, and unlike Team Reddit he has some idea how to take advantage of the territory, infrastructure and funds. Two, it means we don't get to bomb them. And we all know a Royal Rumble is a ton of fun, yeah. power crystals posted:Well now that's just cheating Golgotha or Liontamer, it don't really make a drat, because you cannot beat Wrestlemania 13 in callsigns, and that's the bottom line, because Thunderlips said so!
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Is it just me or did the last mission video feature some annoying beeps and echoes in the background?
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May 8, 2017 10:40
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SK60B Pilot Thunderlips says: So, how much will it cost to collapse the Bitcoin marketplace du jour? Sounds to me that's the better deal.
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Gatecrasher I am not that enamoured with the plan itself, but if the alternative is to blow up that drat bridge, then that's not an alternative at all.
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Saros posted:F-22's. F-22s, you say? *polishes the DARGON SLAIYUR nose emblem, contemplates if there's any extra space around it*
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Dance Officer posted:In response to criticism about blowing the bridge: "Let's blow up something that is putatively our property in another guy's turf and was paid for by the guys who hate us anyway AND are bringing in a carrier strike force to enforce their order!" Brother, did someone piledrive you one time too many?
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You know, why not ask the crew to lase the target for us? They will be there, and that way we can avoid any mistakes when searching for the target.
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