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Because I have far too much time on my hands, I've decided to create a new theory of social and economic organization. For fun, you know? I call it technism. I looked it up, saw no one was using this term for anything real useful, and decided to adopt it as my own. And here it is! https://radiomonkeys.net/2017/01/28/technism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Technism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Vyrdism/  As of right now, it's serving as a catch-all for all those automation-based ideas. You the kinds: resource-based economy, Venus Project, basic income, fully automated luxury communism, etc. Technism is basically any ideology centered around automation. It's also the pursuit of automation— if you're all for using automation to free up labor costs, you're a technist. And I created this fake guy, John Henry Vyrd, so I could retrofit Vyrdism in there. Vyrdism = profiting from automation. Like, Market Vyrdism (essentially heavily/fully automated capitalism) and Marxism-Vyrdism (heavily/fully automated socialism). Surprisingly, it's catching on. Some people are actually going through with this, making me feel like I've actually accomplished something in my pathetic little life: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vyrdism/comments/5d82w1/new_here_how_can_i_join_a_technocoop/ I even have my own little monad for it, which I totally didn't steal from the technocracy movement:  Since no one's assassinated me yet, I can only assume it's never going to take off, so it's really just a little fringe idea for some freaks and techno-utopians to play with.
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Helsing posted:You know OP typically if you don't want to be a complete crank you would position your theory in relation to other actually existing theories and explain what your theory accomplishes that previous theories didn't. Y'okay. Sexbots own the means of the production. Not burzhui or proles. In a pure technist order, if I wanted to start a business, I get hosed in my dick until a droid cums in my prostate. And then that droid takes my business and I'm forced to take whatever scraps its allows me. Except that droid might also comprise of all other droids on Earth due to being some hivemind or whatever. Something like that. Or some variant of that. Maybe I do own that business, and my workers are just droids. Or maybe I don't own that business because we collectively own businesses, sharing the means of production right after we get done giving princesses high-impact lead poisoning. Point is: droids. Prostates. Someone mentioned Zeitgeist or the Venus Project or something. No point linking to that; it's automated, so it's technist. Amazon wants to open businesses with no workers? That's technist. Foxconn replaces humans with robots? That's technist. I overthrow the existing order and outlaw human labor so everyone has to rely on robots? That's technist. Skynet destroys all humans? That's... well, that's technically technist but I'd love to hear Skynet explain how he's going to respond to the derivatives market. In simplest terms: it's the opposite of Luddism. It could augmented capitalism, communism, feudalism, fascism, whatever. Or, if you give your life, your liberty, and your pursuit of your goddamn happiness over to the machines, it could be its own thing. But I doubt it. Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 14:07
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Fansy posted:Can you make this idea into an easily shareable meme Sexbots own the memes of production
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Mar 30, 2017 15:17
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lollontee posted:Ok so you want to start a co-op for rich people. That's really great and all and I wish you luck, but I don't really see how this is uh. New? Useful? What is it exactly that you're hoping to achieve by destructively farming the california death wastelands with drones? 1) I reckon it's something of a reaction to the endless discussion of basic income and treatment that it's the only possible solution to automation. 2) Some method of dealing with automation, even if it never takes off. Because I'd rather do something than become a primitivist and wind up enabling a world that would get knocked out by one of those many existential threats that primitivists pretend don't real. And no, it's not a joke. And considering that the three subreddits collectively have about 1,500 subscribers, I'd say I'm probably more successful than whatever the gently caress Eripsa (who?) ever was. Which isn't saying much. Like, at all. Regardless, I can't see a real future for this thread since we'd just wind up talking about automation and there's already a massive thread for that. Just getting the idea out there, is all. Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 18:24
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lollontee posted:What idea? We still don't understand what it is that you're proposing we do. Call GoPro and ask them to hand over their patents? What? quote:Because I have far too much time on my hands, I've decided to create a new theory of social and economic organization. For fun, you know? Hope this helps.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:09
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lollontee posted:gently caress you Well you're the one asking a question that was answered in the OP. What's the idea? "Humans should own the robots to do their work for them, or the robots should own/run society." AKA: "all the automation-based buzzwords you keep on hearing on /r/Futurology with its own catch-all -ism". Deal with that however you choose. Throw a revolution, build your own ASIMO, wait 100 years and buy stock in some automated business, create schizophrenic conspiracy theory-infested videos, it's not up to me to figure out how to organize society. I'm not even asking for anyone to do anything. I'm just creating a catch-all term for all those drat buzzwords. Hence why I said this thread's redundant since we already have an automation thread. Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 19:22
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Helsing posted:I thought you were trying to "create a new theory of social and economic organization"? But I did. Sorta. Kinda. All those buzzwords revolve around a reaction to automation (often with quite a bit of post-scarcity economics thrown in), so the -ism is meant to describe what it is they're all scattershottedly aiming at— we're automating labor in all its forms, and we're moving towards an era where mental automation is a thing? It seems that the most common idea behind this is that we should find a way to spread about ownership of the machines that are replacing human workers. Some might think of more capitalistic solutions; others might come up with more socialistic solutions (I'm of the mind it's inevitably going to be socialist in nature). A third idea is that we become reliant upon the machines, ceding ownership of the means of production from humans (capitalists and workers) to AI. That's most related to the idea of basic income, running with the idea that the government should tax the results of robotic labor to pay for people to have a means of surviving and seeing to it that even the government itself is automated. I didn't have to come up with much; I just had to work out the name and figure out how to make sure all these previous ideas could fit under it. The closest thing to an actual new theory of social/economic organization that I came up with is "AI/robots own the means of production". That is, once we create AGI, said AGI should run society. But that's just an extrapolation of basic income. I can understand why some might not think this isn't very radical— if you're of the mind that there's a binary organization of society (private property is allowed or private property is abolished) then no, this doesn't do anything new. Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Mar 30, 2017 |
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Mar 30, 2017 19:39
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lollontee posted:That's not an idea you moron. That doesn't get us anywhere, that doesn't inform anyone on anything. It's loving worthless. If all you have to say is "hurrr i think people should own the stuff" and that's loving it, you don't get to smugly quote your own reddit links when somebody points that out. Hope. That. Helps. Apologies to my assholish behavior on the last page.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:48
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Main Paineframe posted:Now what? What useful discussion is there to be had about "hey guys I invented a word"? Hence why I said the discussion in this thread is redundant and we can return to the other automation thread. OwlFancier posted:Robots can't own things. This whole idea requires the belief that AGI/ASI is possible. If you don't believe it's possible, then this whole thread's been a waste of your time.
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Mar 30, 2017 19:53
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Venomous posted:op how do you feel about anarchism and/or socialism Depends. What kind of socialism and anarchism? I already identify as a market socialist and have warmed up to the idea of a rekindled Project Cybersyn. But things like anarcho-primitivism are instant turn-offs. Yuli Ban fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 04:32
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Eripsa posted:You want to talk? Let's talk. Would you accept a moderator post on these subreddits?
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Captain_Maclaine posted:If it's any consolation, you didn't really have much worth talking about to begin with. All technism is supposed to be is a catch-all term for those supporting increased automation in society, with a few variants that can basically be summed up as techno-market socialism and techno-Marxism. That it's gone for 4 pages is a tad disconcerting. And frankly, I don't want to see where it could go from here.
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