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iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

TheKirbs posted:


I do love they show how useless shuriken still are when Issiki throws them back the only resonse to all 3 hitting (one in the face) is an "Ow!" and the guy being fine next panel.

I'm glad they did this, and considering how even the lowest levels of ninja training involves throwing real shuriken and kunais at each other. Like what's supposed to happen if someone actually got hit? Of course in this universe no one ever did.

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iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Wait, has Orochimaru said or done anything wrt Jigen or the Ōtsutsuki? Presumably this is one of the few situations he'd be a genuine asset as far as knowledge, strategy and abilities.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Blockhouse posted:

spent this entire chapter rolling my eyes out of my head

come the gently caress on with this poo poo

like not only do we spend like twenty pages on two people sitting in a room and talking but our new villain is like a bundle of the weakest femme fatale cliches imaginable. Can't wait until Kawaki's love somehow redeems her in the end while she cries a single tear over the terrible things she's done or some poo poo

My guess is she's going to be a big part of how the opening chapter ends up happening. Only thing that can ruin the power of friendship in Kishimoto's world is prideful vengeance and feminine wile.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Man thinking back to the early Naruto story and how generally well written it was, the post time-skip era was such a gradual let down in comparison. So much interesting lore and power levels built up only to be written off as soon as Akatsuki showed up and power crept everything to poo poo.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

It feels like maybe this is the arc that's going to lead us to the events of the manga's opening with Kawaki vs. Boruto.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Utilizing Orochimaru would be sort of like hiring Nazi Scientists after WWII, it'd feel gross as hell. Heck, they're probably avoiding a Hydra/Oro takeover by not giving him village responsibilities.

That said, considering the scope of the poo poo they're dealing with now, they probably need all the help they can get to prevent literal space deities from wrecking the world.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

MonsterEnvy posted:

Yes they know where his lab is, but he does not live in the leaf village. Though Orochimaru is perfectly capable of going dark and vanishing when it suits him, as he has done a few times in the series. Then just showing back up and saying hey.

They likely won't go here, but I feel like Sasuke's Rinnegan/Sharingan is one of the bigger things that's keeping Orochimaru in check, so losing the Rinnegan will make it a lot more feasible for Orochimaru to actually vanish and restart his scheming wherever. I'll assume the village will do its best to not announce Naruto and Sasuke's major nerfs but politically they would be potentially huge factors in throwing off the balance of power in that ninja world.

The world was lucky that Naruto has a heart of gold, because it seems like it was feasible that he could've feasibly taken over at any point in the last 15 years save for the presence of alien terrorists.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

I'm sure Codes going to have some OP bullshit on display, but frankly this manga feels like it's had power creep fatigue since the last Shinobi war.

I wish they'd just go with simple betrayal and deception to advance the plot at this point because the new powers haven't been particularly interesting, especially as they castrate the old guard to try to force the new villains to shine.

I want to see what happens to lead into that time skip intro just enough to expend the 5 minutes to read the monthly chapters but it's not surprising how dead this thread generally is compare to Naruto's peak popularity

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Actually quite enjoyed that chapter. Pretty decent tension and pacing. A lot of things moving along.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

I'm not a huge fan of the cast of characters and have reservations about how this story will play out, but I think this was one of the best and tightest chapters of manga I've read. Hope they can keep up this quality for awhile.

Is Boruto popular? This thread is pretty dead which would be ashame if it stays this good

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

I'm probably not gonna be sitting down to dedicate the time to watch the anime at this point in my life, taking 5 minutes to read a chapter is pretty convenient though. I'm glad it's been improving.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Another good chapter, the writing's gotten back to what made Naruto good in the first place--strategy and tactics being as important as fighting ability.

Larryb posted:

If nothing else, this chapter does gives some possibilities on how we go from present Kawaki to prologue Kawaki (at the moment my money’s on Code being involved)

Yeah, it's coming together for that show down. One of the double-edged swords of recent plot developments is they've kind of dampened the wow factor of whatever could've caused such destruction to Konoha considering how dismissively powerful these newer characters are made to be. I'm enjoying the ride, but in the back of my mind it's still a salvaging effort for the boring direction the plot had been going for awhile. I hope it doesn't end up being as telegraphed as it appears and that maybe Kawaki has some agency in his prologue actions to keep him interesting.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Not much of a chapter, but I guess it sets up the slice of life romantic comedy between Kawaki and Eida. Also, cover is a bit icky, and not that I'd be into it, but would've made more sense if it was Eida considering she's presumably going to try to get her flirt on.

Sarada deserves better.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Frankly they never should've tried to top Naruto to begin with. That Ninja war already oversaturated the formula like three times over in two fights. I doubt many Boruto fans have been especially convinced or enthralled by the narrative power creep of Naruto and Sasuke thus far, though I for one have just accepted it for the sake of seeing where this is going. Thankfully this arc has at least had interesting character development in spite of the bullshit powers.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

The new chapter was fine, it's setting up things well enough for wherever this arc is going. I guess it's a bit slow for a monthly comic, but it does what it needs to do. Maybe they could've given a little more taste of what Amado has to say, but I get saving it for next time.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Makes sense why Sasuke is so aloof as a family man and member of Konoha, dude is basically a god with almost zero limits in the mortal sense. Experiencing prison means almost nothing to him aside from the means to find his information. Dude is so "above it all" and arguably so broken he can probably barely perceive basic joy.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Sorry folks, the dinosaur is just two kids in a costume

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Darth TNT posted:

Chapter was cool. I have no idea how they’re going to make it challenging for Sasuke, but having a broken guy go around owning everyone is fun as well.

Yeah, it's like a jrpg where you recruit one of the big badass villains where you hope to unleash their awesome arsenal on the enemy but they almost always nerf the hell out of them immediately instead. Sometimes you just want to feel like you broke the game.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Larryb posted:

They still ate a guy though

That's not that outrageous in the Narutoverse. Naruto himself would still try to reform them with friendship

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Been awhile since I've read a Naruto story not centered around super human freaks, I almost forgot how questionable the standards for praise are. She basically completely screwed up in every way aside from I guess bravery, but essentially if not for deus ex machina she'd be straight up dead. But of course this shows she's destined to be a great ninja--likely whenever she masters whatever bullshit OP powerups in her bloodline.

And to be clear, I'm having fun with it. Hopefully Kakashi shines and does some really cool hokage poo poo.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

that's a bit of an exaggeration, as the guy(s) noticed her almost as soon as she noticed them. from that moment on, she had no way to win or escape.

He literally gave her an out, even if it weren't "sincere" she didn't use it for any strategic advantage except to escalate the immediate confrontation.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

there was no out because the dudes were criminals wanted by ninja villages and she was wearing a headband that meant she would immediately report them.
This is as much conjecture as any other opinion about the scenario. He seemed more interested in getting away quickly himself, likely due to her presence indicating other nearby shinobi. There's also no indication that he'd bother with a diabolical fakeout dialogue just to mess with her.

Tree Reformat posted:

Except she was explicitly a genin, which means she was not authorized to engage other shinobi specifically due to lack of combat experience, as well as having no backup from the rest of her squad due to disobeying her squad leader's orders. What she should have done was taken the out and detailed the incident in her after-mission report.

Shikamaru saved her rear end in more ways than one on that one.
This. It's been established in older Naruto stories that there are general expectations and standards that their ninja act somewhat like the sneaky spies and assassins that their titles indicate. She was behaving like a brash rookie beat cop, even announcing the dude's name like she's Robocop making an arrest.

Honestly, it's not that big of a deal, I think the writing's just a bit lazy. They're telling us that she's a likable young ninja with a ton of potential, fine. They're showing us something a little clunkier. Whenever Naruto acted like Mirai in this scene, he would've been roasted by his teammates. And after being saved by his own plot armor (Sasuke, Kakashi, or even the 9 tails) it would at least add more to his desire to improve and train harder. The praise she's getting from Shikamaru and Kakashi feels a bit hollow especially considering her mistakes could cost her (or a teammate's) life or interfere with another mission. She's told she's a bit reckless, but it's like smiles all around.

Anyway, if she had done anything a bit strategic, like use her genjutsu trap on him before calling him out (he turned his back to her) or signaling for her team, or whatever else an assassin might do, even if it ultimately failed due to his gimmick and we got the same battle, I'd been good with that.

iamsosmrt fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Oct 30, 2022

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

This series is worth it if only because it's already made me like Sasuke a lot more as a character.

I feel like him being in prison is the closest he's ever come to experiencing life as a normal person since he was a child. Dude has been cursed with extremes all his life, from his brother genociding his entire clan to all the sycophants chasing him for his looks, being a super genius, living with Orochimaru, even Naruto's over the top obsession with returning him to Konoha. This is probably the closest thing to a slice of life getaway he can get while it lasts.

It's fun because he hypothetically should've been spamming genjutsus from the start to attain whatever info he needs (even if eventually failed due to glass eyes), but he's deliberately taking his time in actually participating in the prison life.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Is there still a giant Uchiha eye repository hidden underground somewhere?

Also, I forget the exact requirements of getting the eternal mangekyu sharingan, but is it possible for Sarada to exchange an eye with her dad so they both benefit?

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Seems logical that Sarada's sharingan destiny will be unlocking its even greater potential rooted in love and devotion. If this makes it to a third mains series, her and Bort's kid will be the true ninja Jesus with all the eye hax, limitless chakra, and unconditional love and whatever to bring salvation to the world. Until power creep overtakes them.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

I was a bit thrown off by how much time passed in that first chapter. I didn't even notice they made her a grown up for the escort mission so the beginning of this chapter was a bit jarring. This is pretty slow developing so far, hopefully it's building to something interesting.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

TheHan posted:

can sasuke solve the mystery of being a good husband

Wouldn't you leave your wife for a few years to do some work? Some people take decades to get a pack of smokes.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

I kind of wish we had seen a Konoha where Sasuke was the Hokage now.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

This improves the lore a lot. I wasn't a fan of the cyborg ninja stuff at it's onset, but at least they're doing something interesting with it outside of boring fight power creep. We're back to tactical planning and strategy, which is what I always liked most about Naruto.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

The intro flash forward was just the result of his daughter being pissed he rezzed her in the body of Kawaki, and Amado still refuses to believe it's her.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Sasuke giving Naruto his literal dream of being the Hokage and lifelong best friendship while actually living out his mission of tearing down the establishment would be more interesting for sure.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Becoming a bit of a CW teen drama, but there's a decent amount of intrigue with the strategizing. Kind of fun that they're worried about being deemed threats to Eida when they're probably potentially her most desired chances at actual friends. Hopefully they give some reasonable explanation why the girls aren't affected by her charm.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Fair Bear Maiden posted:

I don't really like whow the young characters like Sarada are drawn at all, but to be honest, reading the chapter on my cellphone, nothing about the bedroom scene struck me as tasteless? It was very explicitly a pillow fort/girltalk kind of scene.

Agreed, it was pretty innocent. The artist is pretty obvious when he's being cringey, the girls are just chillin.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Who knows, maybe they'll explore the morally just Orochimaru route down the line. Amado's a brilliant scientist but that doesn't necessarily mean he has Intel on all the past ninja and their techniques. It's likely those forbidden jitsu were kept under wraps for obvious reasons, and Amado's previous employers had their own agendas to keep him in their employ, even if they knew of those.

Of course a whole lot of shenanigans will likely ensue preventing Amado a happy ending as that flash forward foretold.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

What happened to Naruto's NinJesus healing ability at the end of the war? Heck, he seemed to have a lot of powerups in general that have fallen by the wayside.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Larryb posted:

He doesn’t have Kurama anymore remember? That took away at least a couple of his powers (though he should still have Sage Mode)

I meant when he was healing other people, not the 9-tails stuff he always had.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Delphisage posted:

When he and Sasuke blew off each other's dominant arms, he lost the Sun Seal that apparently was necessary to use his Jesus healing. So it's just gone. The other Six Paths Sage powers were probably tied to the other Tailed Beasts, which he all released after the end of the manga.

Speaking of which, did Sasuke's Moon Seal ever do anything? I can't remember.
Ah, thanks, that explains a lot.

Teek posted:

He hasn’t shown that power since sealing Kaguya. So unlike Sasuke’s Rinnegan, it seems to have been a limited perk that went away when his hand did.

Also fwiw, it didn’t seem like an outright healing ability, more like a, “going to move some cells around in your body to stabilize you” thing. So even with Guy, he didn’t heal him. Kakashi assumably lost some muscle mass (and maybe his appendix/spleen?) when Naruto gave him his left eye back.

That's pretty interesting, though even if it wasn't outright healing, that's still ridiculously powerful, maybe outright broken with a little imagination--like turning vestigial organs into replacement parts or even new usable things. Ah well, Naruto was never meant to be an Orochimaru type of body modifications kind of character.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

Turns out after the time skip, Boruto is old enough for Eida and Kawaki is taking out his rage of getting dumped for his best friend out on the village.

iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

I think the fans REALLY love the spirit of selfless and sacrifice for the greater good.

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iamsosmrt
Jun 14, 2008

To me the biggest narrative issue with the Itachi redemption retcon was his incredibly harsh usage of the Tsukuyomi on Kakashi and Sasuke. All of his external crimes and actions to pose as a Akatsuki, fine, it was his cover. But the dude basically risked inducing severe emotional and mental trauma on his brother and a future hokage for apparently no justified reason. If anything, those would've been good chances to give Sasuke some reprieve or at least helpful direction from his crazy revenge quest.

It did work as the biggest justification for Sasuke's willingness to go to such extremes and all his cringey emo dialogue later, but yeahhhh, not very sensible for Itachi the double agent with a heart full of love for his village and brother. I think his redemption is one of those things that wasn't planned far in advance.

iamsosmrt fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Feb 11, 2023

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