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Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Teek posted:

Chapter 17 is now out. I guess this is one way to deal with an organization that seemingly came out of nowhere, start staffing it with people who we *kind of* know already. Ao was never really a name commodity, as he was a minor player in the war. And he seemingly was killed with Shikaku off screen. This finally begins to sketch in certain potential aspects of where the plot may go though, if this is old guard ninja who potentially aren't exactly thrilled by Naruto's new world.

Ao also has other ties to potentially explore, what with his stolen Byakugan. Though I'm not exactly sure he still has that or not.


Boruto and his Team really are the best bodyguards. The didn't even notice the huge cloaked guy right behind the guy they were protecting.

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Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Ytlaya posted:

"Inojin" and "Shikadai" are such bad names.

But how else would we know who they're related too? It's not like the current artstyle works well for that.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

OH man, the suspense is killing me. What could his power possibly be?!

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
Who could've seen this coming. A giant gatling gun was used for shooting. Oddly, it shoots chakra, seems like loading kunai would've been a better idea...or you know bullets.


Umbreon posted:

I don't read the manga, but does the use of guns have anything to do with why ninjas are being phased out?(besides all the peacetime)

Yes

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Mraagvpeine posted:

With chakra you don't have to worry about lugging ammo around or running out of it. Granted you'd need to be careful of how much chakra you're using, but as an expert ninja Ao can probably control the amount he puts in.

I suppose that's true, but scrolls of holding exist.

Fun part is that if they would combine those it would make Tenten even more useless. Great, you can throw weapons really accurate, let me just try this minigun.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
I rather liked the manga chapter. The strategy they used to take care of Ao made me think back to the early chapters of Naruto.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

rndmnmbr posted:

After watching way more Shippuden than I intended to, I have to say that I appreciate the fact that Naruto is both the well-deserved village hero and the village idiot, at the same time, until the very end. And considering how he treats his family in Boruto... well, his son is giving him a run for the money, but Naruto still holds the village idiot all-time championship belt by a comfortable margin.

Also, :doh: Mitsuke is obviously a result of Orochimaru experimenting with White Zetsus.

Which is fine, because White Zetsu's aren't human and Orochimaru is a cool guy.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

I'm trying to decide who's being insulted here.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
It's not bad, though the emo kid is getting on my nerves.

I keep expecting it to go off the deep end any minute now, but for now it's enjoyable enough.

I feel like the current artist is better at depiction the action than Kishimoto was.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Hamelekim posted:

Yeah, I'm really enjoying it.

:yeah:

I thought it was strange at how easy Delta took him out, so I was happy seeing him use strategy again. I hope he takes her out in the next chapter.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
For the Manga readers:
Is it me, or is the fight with Delta the most boring fight in borito/Naruto ever. It doesn't feel fast and the strategy they refer to is invisible to us. It doesn't help that it feels like their are no stakes.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Hypocrisy posted:

I've liked it so far. Naruto getting gored through the stomach, hoping to trick Delta into giving up information was pretty great and I've been liking Delta's Juugo-esque ninja-tech.

If by no stakes you mean that you know Naruto will win...well, we know that he doesn't win as per chapter 1.


In sum, I think it's alright. I did prefer the kids fighting more though.

Nah, Naruto playing possum was awesome and really felt like it fell in line with everything else we've seen the mangaka do so far. Like you I liked the fights the kids had as well as most were solved with smart strategies. Naruto getting stabbed and pretending to be seriously hurt was awesome.

I'm referring mostly to this chapter.
They were trading attacks to get some distance (as per Kawaki). Which didn't work because she still got Himawari in a second. So we just spent 20 pages on nothing.
It's also highly unlikely that Naruto will die against Delta at this point in time. If it happens Kashin would likely first have to show up as he didn't think Delta would be able to beat him. Or at least that's how I interpreted his comments.
Now, with her absorbing the vanishing Rasengan she might kill him with that move next chapter.


That art has been bad, but the manga itself is much better than expected. It's just this chapter which felt really empty to me.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Putting out fires by giving it a thumbs up.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
If the clone poofs after pooping, does the poop poof as well?

Manga
I didn't need a recap about Naruto.
But the second ten tails looks interesting.
So is it safe to assume kama is a way for Otsusiki to reincarnate or something?

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
I know it's not Boruto but:
It's definitely not alcohol!

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

My opinion of the Mangaka is rising. That's a well written opinion.

Speaking off,the Bort Manga is heating up.
The current clash has been pretty satisfying so far.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Hypocrisy posted:

Here's a link to the Viz Boruto Chapter 37 for those interested.

I appreciate Jigen trying to dump Naruto in an alternate dimension and bailing.

Chapter spoilers, don't read this anime watchers.

Yeah, Jigen has been strangely likeable despite so far being pretty flat. His fake cordiality at the beginning and simply not bothering with Naruto and dumping him in nowhere have been great.

I also appreciate the fake out with the rods. My first thought was that they were those black chakra rods from the Rinnegan. Except somehow Karma was giving that to Jigen.
Nope, they're just a bunch of needles which he can increase in size.

I wasn't looking forward to the Jigen fight, because I assumed he would kill Naruto and Sasuke easily with some hacks abilities. But them so easily recognizing his abilities and using his abilities against him threw a wrench in that. So I'm oddly looking forward against round 2 against horned Jigen. Even if so far Naruto's MO is ball -> bigger ball -> giant ball



I didn't much like the fight against Delta, but the fight against Ao and this fight are pretty good relying more on strategy. Reminding me more of early Naruto.

I really hope that this Mangaka manages to stay away from escalating eyehacks and Jesus destinies and keeps this up. The cold open suggested otherwise, but this is giving me hope.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Darth TNT posted:

Chapter spoilers, don't read this anime watchers.

I wasn't looking forward to the Jigen fight, because I assumed he would kill Naruto and Sasuke easily with some hacks abilities. But them so easily recognizing his abilities and using his abilities against him threw a wrench in that. So I'm oddly looking forward against round 2 against horned Jigen. Even if so far Naruto's MO is ball -> bigger ball -> giant ball



I really hope that this Mangaka manages to stay away from escalating eyehacks and Jesus destinies and keeps this up. The cold open suggested otherwise, but this is giving me hope.
Well, I guess they're not eyehacks at least. :shrug: I didn't dislike this fight, but it wasn't very good either because it went straight for "Lol, I'm the strongest!" with no room for the strategy we'd seen in previous chapters. This does not give me much hope for future fights, but we'll see.

Alas poor Jigen.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

rndmnmbr posted:

God Sarada's manga miniskirt outfit is still just the worst.

What? You don't think this kid aged 10 in a miniskirt is sexy and appropriate?
Sarada's design alone ensures that, if at some point the mangaka gets caught for child porn, my response will be either a surprised pikachu meme or a Fry shocked meme.


Larryb posted:

Since some people seem to be talking about it a bit more lately I’m going to start posting links to the latest Boruto manga here:

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1005642

God the art style is so bad. I've learned to ignore it and just enjoy the story, but the front page is so bad.
I don't know why, but Mitsuki being acknowledged as the son of Orochimaru makes me chuckle a little. Probably because I love Orochimaru.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
new Boruto manga

Quick Sarada, use your lovely eyes to analyse this sample. :psyduck:

I was enjoying the Manga so far, but this opponent isn't very interesting and Sarada is pretty bad.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

tsob posted:

I love that the mission concerns a special magic ninja prison that Naruto sends 3 teenagers in to unaccompanied and this maximum security prison is stated to be filled with "rascals".

Hokage Naruto just really hates rascals.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
When Naruto was good it was really good

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Analytic Engine posted:

After Naruto ended I've been dipping in and out of Boruto, and it seems surprisingly self-sustaining. I'm old-man-comfortable with 12 year olds absorbing this like I did Naruto in US Shonen Jump.

That said, I feel obligated to old-man-yells-at-cloud over the huge Power Level creep. Did Kishimoto's successors debate this at all? Because it looks like their major inspiration was the end of the Shinobi War and especially the Kaguya garbage. I'm not a mangaka but it seems like the easier and more interesting direction would be to scale things back from the point where new Kage-breaking powers were introduced every issue.

After writing that I see that I'm probably out of touch. I'll leave fellow 30-something Goons with the best song they wove into the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyhpwyrq1N0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCLBz7D9FSE

That's the biggest problem yes. The end of Naruto had huge power creep, then Boruto started and they really toned things back down in the beginning. Unfortunately we're well back at the level of infinitely regenerating enemies, body hacks, big gently caress off Kamehameha's etc.

It's a really shame because, while the manga is hideous to look at, it's had some real good fights using strategy.


Hypocrisy posted:

Big fan of Kawaki's plan being use the Sharingan and figure it out Sarada.

I was surprisingly hype for Chidori.


Ditto. Seeing Sarada be more then a miniskirt makes me happy. :)

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

I knew this would be posted here. I found it to be a very uncomfortable picture. :ohdear: Those lips...


Anyway chapter itself was fine. I didn't expect them to actually be able to save Naruto this easily.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Interesting.

There's a lot of talk about how Kashin is Jiraija. This does seem like more proof of that.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Teek posted:

Aside from the internal Kara politics, none of that seemed surprising. Surely Shikamaru and the other ninja world big brains could have surmised all the aliens/parallel reality, Juubi and chakra fruit information from the Fourth Shinobi War and the follow up invasion events already? I mean they're not acting that surprised, but I'm not sure why Amado would think he was dropping bombs there.

Are we also going to get a reveal that Koji is an Orochimaru creation? Frankly I've never really felt he looked that much like Jiraiya, maybe that's just a side effect of the different artist. The now "repentant" Orochimaru creating a clone of his former comrade to spy on Kara seems about his speed.


I'd love to see Orochimaru be relevant, but I just don't see that happening at all. :(

People think he's Jiraiya thanks to the eye markings under the mask, the white hair, the big use of frogs and fact that he could enter Konoha without being detected because they know his Chakra signature.

But Jiraiya was a burly man, not nearly as lean as Kashin. Still, stuff like this makes me think he might be it.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Teek posted:

Kakashi has a mole on his face silly.

It's a transformation Jutsu with a mask on top!

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Spiderdrake posted:

Yeah, that's a good point. After Obito and "the poor orphan is actually the son of a genius and a noble-ish" I think expecting a plot twist is probably looking in the wrong places.

Who specifically mentioned that his body couldn't be recovered anyway?

Kabuto did. It was in the bottom of an ocean. But we're talking about tech now so who knows.

I remember the many people claiming Naruto wasn't the son of the fourth. You know, despite being an orphan with the same hair.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
With Samurai 8 getting the axe, what are the chances of Kishimoto coming back to help write Burrito?

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Larryb posted:

Though considering how Naruto got by the end, would Kishimoto writing the Boruto manga really be that big of an improvement?

Now if he was drawing it as well I could probably get behind that.

I was wondering whether I should've put writing or helping in quotes.
I didn't read Samurai 8, but Naruto had such an amazing nosedive in quality.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Gee, whoever does Koji remind Naruto off.

Still pretty interesting and fun chapter

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
There's no way that Orochimaru is directly involved in this clone/resurrection or whatever Koji is.
They may have used some of his research, but Orochimaru is such a non role in the story of ninja science there's just no way that they'll suddenly make him relevant again.

Though having not-Jirayja meet Mitsuki should at least be pretty funny.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
I've been Reading through Naruto on Manga plus as it's released, as I never read all of it. But man this Manga is really fond of making GBS threads the bed.
They're at the whole Naruto meets Kushina part. It's so weird.
Dad apparently just on the fly invented a way to implant someone's memories and character into someone else. Okay, I can live with that. But then the way how it's dead set on undoing the entire "hard work pays off" message.
Yes Naruto. You worked really hard to get where you are, however you have a predicted destiny and you're the "secret" son of one of the greatest Hokage ever. Also You're a part of the Uzumaki clan. You have unnaturally large amount of extra strong Chakra in addition to the the Nine tails.

Speaking off that whole the seal breaks when the female Jinchuriki gives birth. I have an idea, let's keep seeing it in female Uzumaki clan members. :downs: It's like...why?


It does remind me though, how exactly does reincarnation work when Edo Tensei exists. Indra and the other son kept on being reincarnated right?

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

TheHan posted:

I think the idea there is that only Indra and Asura reincarnate, due to their grudge.

That's implied yes, but then how does Edo Tensei work when you summon the previous incarnations? I suppose if it's just the Will like Dexo said, that would make a difference.

Dexo posted:

It's part of the Shiki Fujin(sp?) That thing the Third and Fourth did. It involves pulling the soul out of the body. And you can either seal that soul somewhere else, or feed it to the Shinigami. But the Shinigami takes your soul as a condition of using the technique.

If there isn't a male heir...We have only seen two Uzumaki's outside of Nart and both are women.

The Hard work pays off message is literally just one character's creed. The character who always loses. Literally all of the main characters, train their rear end off(well besides Sasuke once he starts getting deep into the Madara Eye poo poo in the time jump). Neji, the main target of Lee's beliefs, literally trained his rear end off and taught himself his clan's most powerful techniques despite being in the branch family and having no outside assistance. Naruto also trains pretty hard.

Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard. But Naruto and everyone else generally works pretty hard.

Edo Tensei and Reincarnation are two different things. Edo Tensei is pulling the souls of dead people back from the dead, so long as you have their Body and exerting some variable amount of control over them through the process.

Reincarnation is like some ootsuki chakra poo poo IIRC. Where like Indra and Asura's chakra and Will™ and it's conflict(not their soul :shrug:) when they died kept being transferred to another two people who would continue it. Until Nart and Sasuke broke the cycle or whatever(Maybe? I guess when they both die this whole thing could start up again).

Lord_Magmar posted:

Also the seal doesn’t break when giving birth, it weakens because the chakra system of the mother changes as part of creating/birthing the child. Like how nutrients/blood works in real life just with ninja energy. I imagine this normally isn’t actually an issue.

The choice in Kushina was made while the Uzumaki (Uzushio) clan was probably still alive. Time frame is a little vague, but Kushina mentions that she was chosen and moved to Konoha when she was still young and only later on found out it was to be the Jinchuuriki.
The first Jinchuuriki was also a woman and according to Naruto's mom that means that it was tradition. I'll just chalk that up to his mom not being that bright, because they keep referring to the Mito (the first) as being the one before her. So that would've made it a tradition of 2 women including Kushina.

They literally say that when Mito gave birth the seal almost broke. The seal weakens during pregnancy and has the possibility to break during child birth. Obito just helped it along a little. Link
They knew the risk, yet still put it into a woman. Hell, Minato is shown to be struggling to keep the Nine Tails contained during the birth.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
Might Guy is such a well done character, at least in the slow build up he gets.
He's introduced as a goof, but as the story progresses he just keeps showing more tricks and signs that he's really strong. With other characters, even Itachi acknowledging that you should be careful facing him while he's still goofing off.
The way the 8th gate is kept until the very end and even if it didn't actually accomplish anything, it didn't feel like a waste at all.
Being acknowledged by the most broken character, who only survived because of hax, probably helps a lot there.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

guy's final battle was a really awesome scene, it's just that there was really no place for it. he wasn't the protagonist, or the protagonist's weird stalker who was convinced they were best friends, or even the protagonist's other weird stalker. so, there were limits to what guy could be allowed to accomplish.

Thoren posted:

It felt like Kishimoto, having previously mentioned the awesome power of the 8th gate, felt the need to include it before the manga's end.

It would have been cooler if the whole war arc didn't suck. By then it felt like watching a child play by himself with his favorite action figures.

Yes exactly. That to me makes it so fascinating how everyone can look at that scene and agree that it was loving awesome. You never hear anyone saying he jobbed to make Madara seem even more broken, I never heard anyone say that they felt like he was worfed and should've been the one to finish Madara.
The only thing you tend to read/hear about it, is that he should've died after that showing instead of being saved by Ninja Jesus.

Seems like for everything the war arc did wrong, the whole Gai sequence is considered as just plain good. Seeing the invincible and haughty Madara be completely helpless and nearly killed is a good payoff for the hype the 8 gates were getting since all the way back in the Chuunin exams. Just a shame of slog and the switch that came after that...followed by more slog.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

TheHan posted:

Wow, didn't expect this question to actually get answered. Also didn't expect the answer to be that in the Naruto universe genealogy is so important that your chromosomes come pre-loaded with a great destiny.

You did see the part where Hashirama cells can solve everything?

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Thoren posted:

perhaps something awful needs a new hokage

Dattebayo?

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Larryb posted:

Speaking of the manga, here’s a new chapter:

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1007318

Clone Koji is better at sage mode. He can do it without help or deformation

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Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Larryb posted:

Who even are those other people on the cover besides Naruto himself?

Also what exactly is this, a collection of the first three movies or something?

Naruto isn't on the cover :colbert:

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