Tagichatn posted:

Even this far in the game, I'm not sure how good Oceania is compared to other water nations. I'll probably never know firsthand since I don't plan on playing water nations again.

Well, maybe Ys in a badnations game. I love their ridiculously expensive sacreds.

Ramc posted:

Oceania does better on land than most underwater nations from my experience. They can mass really large amounts of their satyr troops who are actually pretty okay and give them Nature and Earth buffs with the Capricorns. Cheap temples mean you can usually temple the sea up pretty well and push your dom from the sea, hopefully with some sort of globals to capitalize on that.

Burden of Time doesn't really hurt them that much for the same reason it doesn't bother normal Pan that much- everything important lives a very long time. Setting it up yourself is an uphill slog though because you have to set your god up for it and then bootstrap the Death gems without native D casters.

Tagichatn posted:

It's an ongoing game at turn 55 although it might be ending soon. But yeah, I imagine most people don't LP water nations because it would be 30 turns of being stuck underwater with nobody to fight then casting burden of time and going AI. At least in this game there's a 3 way underwater thunderdome!

wiegieman posted:

It is equally important for the land nations not to let those slippery bastard from the depths get a finhold on a land fort from which to cast magic.

Nice piece of fish posted:

Doesn't Tagichatn have a island they can take over with minimal fuss right next to the captiol or am I just reading the map wrong? Also, I own this loving game but I can't for the life of me wrap my head around all the strategies and things you need to know to play on a bad-rear end level.

Speleothing posted:

They do have exclusive access to the strange things from the void. Just not the horrors from beyond the veil. Important difference

FrenchBen posted:

You can actually have multiple of them, and depending on blessing they can be even more powerful since they're sacred.

Also oh boy, both Nazca and Asphodel are in the party, all we're missing is Ermor for maximum

Torrannor posted:

They lied to Tagichatn in order to sabotage his game!

Corbeau posted:

Erfsnake is almost always banned these days.

Tagichatn posted:

Don't worry, people were just joking around about how awesome he is, I guess because he has a torch. It wasn't like I went in there asking what the best pretender was. Earth snake is definitely better but I really don't like using earth snake. It feels so blah because of how good it is plus my expansion is good even without it. It'd be nice if other pretenders were improved so they could expand awake but most stuff besides earth snake can either just outright lose and die or picks up so many afflictions it becomes useless in combat.

Wolfsbane posted:

This event doesn't just give you a sage, it also tells you that the library of time is somewhere near that province. It lets you recruit S3 dudes, gives you four pearls a turn, and gives you full access to the score graphs of every player in the game. It's an amazing site, and well worth astral searching the surroundings (assuming you weren't going to do that anyway).

e: I just checked, and that event is actually a red herring around 20% of the time. This loving game...

Araganzar posted:

Seems like playing an underwater race wouldn't be bad for dipping your toe into online play, so to speak. You're hard to rush from land and there's little benefit in provinces or useful gems in doing so. With 3 underwater nations there will likely be a 2 on 3 fight that's over quickly, and even if not you're playing a minigame with 1 or 2 other players.

Seems hard to win but gives you a good chance of surviving until the surface world is covered in either skeletons or dying virgins. Is this helpful in learning online play or does it only teach you how to play an underwater nation?

In this case, with a couple early NAPs securing you a foothold on land and letting you focus on Pelagia, it feels like you'll be able to develop your own strategy instead of having to figure out how to counter what the 3-5 people around you are doing. With magic paths/income being limited underwater your opponent also has a more predictable arsenal to deal with.

Ramc posted:

Cythereal posted:

Taking a wild guess here, armor that in the game files has a tag as metal (I've seen LPs mention battle spells that rust armor) is set to rust away when underwater. Shark soldiers wear metal armor. Shark soldiers are recruited underwater. You can see the problem.

goatface posted:

There is a "ferrous" flag that can be put on (or taken off) armour, or it can be made of bronze, or "meteorite". Armours are defined things rather than just stats of the unit.

They've just left a bunch of underwater things in the same armour type as a bunch of on-land stuff and for some reason can't be arsed to do a quick search of aquatic or amphibious and swap the armour out.

vyelkin posted:

Can thrones even spawn in underwater provinces though? It seems to me that even if there was an underwater player who was really difficult to uproot with poor land units, you could still win the game by just ignoring them.

Poil posted:

It reminds me of a song...

Donkringel posted:

That seems like an interesting game idea. Luck of the draw.

Everyone take misfortune 3.