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forkboy84 posted:Hmmmm. "Heavily, heavily", "Scots know this". Are you saying there isn't a fiscal transfer to Scotland from the rest of the UK that would have to be made up for with higher taxes, lower public spending or potentially unsustainable borrowing?
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I'm a full time student who does part time work if that helps with your stats, namtab
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Miftan posted:I'm a full time student who does part time work if that helps with your stats, namtab I just need data from 1,699,999 other people
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Miftan posted:And Tim Farron now approves of gay marriage! OwlFancier posted:This came on at work the day after the referendum, and now it's forever My Brexit Song. hakimashou posted:Scotland and France are both way better than England. I would have gotten some english spirits to have a try but nobody sells Buckfast. Hendricks is trendy garbage like prosecco and cocktails served in pineapples and vague Britpop optimism before it and everyone will have forgotten about it soon enough.
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Guavanaut posted:vague Britpop optimism Cool Britannia. Does anyone else read articles about the Soviet Union get really loving mad about the world?
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How many consecutive budgets have the Tories pulled the "one really unpopular thing which we've U-turned on" trick now?
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Guavanaut posted:Adnams makes a stripped beer whisky. They also make vodkas, and it turns out they're suprisingly good at it.
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Pissflaps posted:Are you saying there isn't a fiscal transfer to Scotland from the rest of the UK that would have to be made up for with higher taxes, lower public spending or potentially unsustainable borrowing? I'm doing a Pissflaps and bringing in some pedantry. "Heavily, heavily" implies something, & as for the other assertion, well it's quite clear if you spend a day in Scotland talking to people that lots of Scots don't "know" that we're "heavily, heavily" subsidised by England.
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josh04 posted:How many consecutive budgets have the Tories pulled the "one really unpopular thing which we've U-turned on" trick now? Three, including this one.
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forkboy84 posted:I'm doing a Pissflaps and bringing in some pedantry. "Heavily, heavily" implies something, & as for the other assertion, well it's quite clear if you spend a day in Scotland talking to people that lots of Scots don't "know" that we're "heavily, heavily" subsidised by England. It'd be unusual for you to be saying something that isnt some sort of reference to me, but do do you agree that Scotland is subsidised by the rest of the UK or not? For the record I think this is a good thing - unions need fiscal transfer and the lack of such a mechanism in the Eurozone is a major problem for that one.
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I used to find brandy pretty underrated as a method to exit reality. But till my bloods go back to fully normal I'm sticking to 5 units or less a week, which turns out to be less than a snifters worth. Luckily, relative sobriety in this timeline turns out to be stranger than any substance I ever imbibed- it's one hell of a trip!
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Praseodymi posted:Cool Britannia. Things can only get bettter! Sage wisdom of our time. (Then again, things did get somewhat better since then, so.) e: maybe depends how you look at it. housing costs, tuition and workers rights took a turn for the worse. Though there are better anti-discrimination laws, minimum wage and H&S on the worker side and it only really went to poo poo with the coalition. Dunno. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Guavanaut posted:If it can happen between two frogs then it must be natural! Hendricks has been running ads in the New Yorker for a decade at least. Gin is pretty bad to begin with but people I know who like it have all tended to agree that Hendricks is the best for ages. Anyway people who don't like chartreuse are literal philistines and heathens. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Pissflaps posted:It'd be unusual for you to be saying something that isnt some sort of reference to me, but do do you agree that Scotland is subsidised by the rest of the UK or not? I'd not actually use the term subsidised because it's quite loaded politically but I obviously do accept the existence of fiscal transfer in the United Kingdom, and entirely agree that any fiscal union without fiscal transfer ends up with the Eurozone outcome. Hence me mentioning pedantry. I don't dispute the existence of the fiscal transfer, I dispute the use of "heavily, heavily" & also the idea that there aren't Scots who do dispute the existence. And yet I still support Scottish independence. Almost as if the transfer could be made up by other means in an independent Scotland, such as increased taxation. hakimashou posted:Hendricks has been running ads in the New Yorker for a decade at least. The gin drinkers I know all seem obsessed with the Edinburgh Gin Company recently.
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forkboy84 posted:I'd not actually use the term subsidised because it's quite loaded politically but I obviously do accept the existence of fiscal transfer in the United Kingdom, and entirely agree that any fiscal union without fiscal transfer ends up with the Eurozone outcome. Hence me mentioning pedantry. I don't dispute the existence of the fiscal transfer, I dispute the use of "heavily, heavily" & also the idea that there aren't Scots who do dispute the existence. Why are Scottish people so good at making booze?
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If you drink gin and tonics for long enough you can gradually stop using gin to make some cool savings. I also just 'got' the pun of cool britannia.
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hakimashou posted:Why are Scottish people so good at making booze? Helps distract us from having to read your posts.
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forkboy84 posted:I'd not actually use the term subsidised because it's quite loaded politically but I obviously do accept the existence of fiscal transfer in the United Kingdom, and entirely agree that any fiscal union without fiscal transfer ends up with the Eurozone outcome. Hence me mentioning pedantry. I don't dispute the existence of the fiscal transfer, I dispute the use of "heavily, heavily" & also the idea that there aren't Scots who do dispute the existence. Do you really think the SNP would sharply raise taxes to prevent austerity, considering they've had the power to raise taxes to prevent austerity for a while now and haven't? Yeah, they'd austerity super hard.
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hyper from Pixie Sticks posted:Helps distract us from having to read your posts. I've never posted anything bad about Scotland, Scotland is great. I'm rooting for you guys to shake off that Saxon yoke. Leave the English to their Camerons and Corbyns.
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Pretty good April Fools joke from Labour here: https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/848115489704247298
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Friendly reminder that hakimashou supports genocide if you're on the winning side, and as such his opinions are not to be taken seriously,even regarding gin.
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TinTower posted:Pretty good April Fools joke from Labour here: That retweet arrow always looks so dumb. I've noticed it in a bunch of these Labour Viral Social Media Blitz tweets.
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jabby posted:Do you really think the SNP would sharply raise taxes to prevent austerity, considering they've had the power to raise taxes to prevent austerity for a while now and haven't? For most of the Scottish Parliament's life the only taxation powers was a 3p increase or decrease across all income tax bands by the same amount. The 2012 Scotland Act changed that to a 10p increase or decrease across on the basic income tax rate. The Scottish Parliament only got the ability to set their own bands and rates on income tax with the 2016 Scotland Act which got royal assent just over a year ago, 23rd March 2016. I often see people mentioning these tax raising powers that they've had for "a while" without any context, which is a shame but considering how little coverage Scottish affairs get in the national news its also very unsurprising. A tax raising the same amount on the poorest as on the richest is a poison pill, of course it's never been used. This should hardly be controversial with a fellow socialist. And that's without going into the idea that somehow in an independent Scotland the SNP will continue to exist, that Labour will continue to exist in their current shambolic form, & a variety of other questions. So no, I've little faith in the SNP actually using the tax raising powers at Holyrood, but then I don't think the SNP will be around for long in an independent Scotland because it's a very broad coalition brought together on a single issue that will no longer exist post independence.
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forkboy84 posted:And that's without going into the idea that somehow in an independent Scotland the SNP will continue to exist
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forkboy84 posted:For most of the Scottish Parliament's life the only taxation powers was a 3p increase or decrease across all income tax bands by the same amount. The 2012 Scotland Act changed that to a 10p increase or decrease across on the basic income tax rate. The Scottish Parliament only got the ability to set their own bands and rates on income tax with the 2016 Scotland Act which got royal assent just over a year ago, 23rd March 2016. I often see people mentioning these tax raising powers that they've had for "a while" without any context, which is a shame but considering how little coverage Scottish affairs get in the national news its also very unsurprising. A year is a while in politics. If they were going to use it they would have. Even if you think the SNP will cease to exist post independence instead of Scotland becoming a one party state, you'd need a majority of Scots to vote for big tax increases over cutting services for the poor. I can't see the appetite for it.
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Crane Fist posted:Whiskey is legit an insanely huge scam Not peated whiskey Because peated whiskey is just divine.
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Darth Walrus posted:Big fascist march apparently happening in London. It's all over the travel news. That was yesterday outside whitehall spoons
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Darth Walrus posted:Big fascist march apparently happening in London. It's all over the travel news.
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jBrereton posted:What like the FLN, Congress, and ANC vanished into the ether after they achieved the first part of their aims? I dunno, there's probably a difference between the SNP & those parties. Like how they were all involved in a colonial struggle to overthrow their white masters while Scotland is not actually a colonial possession of England but a member of a union which our politicians voted to join way back when. Scottish independence would be more comparable to Norwegian independence from the Union of Sweden & Norway at the start of the 20th century than colonial struggles in Algeria, India & South Africa. And no, this isn't an argument for Scottish exceptionalism so gently caress off with that pish before it even starts. jabby posted:A year is a while in politics. If they were going to use it they would have. A) Did you actually just use that horribly dumb cliché? Come on, don't do that. B) Did you actually claim that if the SNP didn't do it in their first budget where they could, they'll never do it? Are you aware how silly that sounds? I hope you are.
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Breath Ray posted:That was yesterday outside whitehall spoons I thought that was the anti-Brexit march. I can understand your confusion, but these days the fascists are the ones who don't want to be friends with Germany.
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Jedit posted:I thought that was the anti-Brexit march. I can understand your confusion, but these days the fascists are the ones who don't want to be friends with Germany. Interesting. What I heard was that there was a small fascist march yesterday and then there was a big police presence prepared for the inevitable opponents of that March. As a civil servant I'm not sure I'm allowed to demonstrate and I KNOW I can't canvass
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forkboy84 posted:A) Did you actually just use that horribly dumb cliché? Come on, don't do that. B) Did you actually claim that if the SNP didn't do it in their first budget where they could, they'll never do it? Are you aware how silly that sounds? I hope you are. Cliché aside, a year does qualify as a 'while'. Cuts driven by Westminster are affecting people in Scotland right now, if you are so sure the SNP are going to address this by raising taxes where is the evidence? Why aren't they getting on with it? Lives could be improved or saved if they use those powers, on what basis are you defending them not doing so? Because they totally will and just haven't got around to it yet? Are you aware of how silly that sounds?
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jabby posted:Cliché aside, a year does qualify as a 'while'. Cuts driven by Westminster are affecting people in Scotland right now, if you are so sure the SNP are going to address this by raising taxes where is the evidence? Why aren't they getting on with it? Lives could be improved or saved if they use those powers, on what basis are you defending them not doing so? Because they totally will and just haven't got around to it yet? Are you aware of how silly that sounds? I have no faith in the progressive nature of the Scottish National Party but still think that while you can call one year a while, 1 budget is not enough to decide the SNP will never raise taxes. You're lurching off into Jedit conspiratorial territory with the SNP here. And at least Jedit's hatred of them is based on his personal experiences with their councillors in Aberdeenshire. Also, I'm not defending the SNP & I have no idea where you are getting that idea from. Support for Scottish independence is not related to support for the SNP. I criticise the SNP a lot, but usually not in UKMT because we don't really talk about Holyrood much here for the obvious reason that ScotPol exists, and at Westminster they've proven to hold the government to account more effectively than the opposition despite having less than a quarter of the MPs. Ultimately the choice is stay in the UK, where the Scottish voice is ultimately insignificant as shown by the number of times in the past 50 years we've ended up with governments that Scotland didn't vote for, or to go it alone & at least have the vague hope of something different. Guaranteed austerity for god knows how long against a small chance of breaking free from it? I'll take the vague hope please. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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