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winegums posted:it is a gaffe. It passes on to the majority decisions made by the elite. it makes people feel affronted and angry when they're accused of making decisions they not only don't make, but ones which they don't have the agency to make. Yea I get the point, and Abbot isn't exactly know for her careful language or nuanced positions on complex topic. But this was literally the purpose of our empire which wreaked misery and destruction across the globe for centuries and if our politicians, and we as a country, could maybe be a little more honest about that then maybe things would be a little less poo poo.
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Lets not forget this article had to be written a few days ago because lots of people got mad that a small music venue named after a literal slave wanted to change its name. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/bristol-city-slave-trader-edward-colston
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"We are not the descendants of the people who colonised your country, we are the descendants of their servants"
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vodkat posted:Yea I get the point, and Abbot isn't exactly know for her careful language or nuanced positions on complex topic. But this was literally the purpose of our empire which wreaked misery and destruction across the globe for centuries and if our politicians, and we as a country, could maybe be a little more honest about that then maybe things would be a little less poo poo. Yes but quiet introspection isn't popular at the moment. You need to deal with the country you have. Which is full of angry reactionary racists. You can "tell it like it is" all you like, don't expect to get in power. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Apr 30, 2017 |
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TomViolence posted:Funny thing about Trotskyism, Marxism-Leninism and all their offshoots: they're all named after dudes who've ostensibly got the definitive inside track on what Marx actually meant, so I guess it's no surprise they're susceptible to cult-like behaviours. Pretty sure Marx know what Marx meant
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This would be really loving funny if it turns out to be real (which it probably won't): https://twitter.com/DrAlakbarov/status/858726636019228673
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Apr 30, 2017 19:16
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Guavanaut posted:I think it would be legitimate to ask why religions have to run such places as The Passage in the first place, Because government doesn't fund it and communities of churchgoers dedicate lots of their time, energy and money to good causes?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Pretty sure Marx know what Marx meant Yeah but in this case the relevant component of marxism-leninism is the leninism bit, and that (the political-organisational component) is where you start to see the weirdness creep in. Trotskyism could just as easily be called Marxism-Trotskyism; same for Stalinism, and a bunch of other approaches. It's all these massively egotistical and power hungry dudes who basically broadly agree on the economic questions and the Marxist analysis of capital, but who fight like cats and dogs over how you get there and how you organise to do it. This is all helped (read: made far worse) because Marx's political (as opposed to economic) opinions were mostly just implied in the text that everybody read (Capital). He never really sat down and laid out his own views for what Communism should look like in real detail, nor did he lay out a detailed strategy for getting there. The Manifesto is just that - a manifesto - and doesn't even vaguely approach the detail of Capital. This left a lot of wiggle room for the aforementioned egotistical shitheads to promise everybody that they and only they knew how to get to Full Communism, so you better shut up and get in line if you wanna get there. Same poo poo still happening today.
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learnincurve posted:"We are not the descendants of the people who colonised your country, we are the descendants of their servants" Regarde Aduck posted:Yes but quiet introspection isn't popular at the moment. You need to deal with the country you have. Which is full of angry reactionary racists. You can "tell it like it is" all you like, don't expect to get in power. I'm sure the descendants of slaves, who's countries are still dealing with the shitshow empire left them in (remember there are still lots of people alive who were born into the british empire) will be very receptive and forgiving to these arguments. Oh wait, nevermind here's a very diplomaticly stated sampler of whats to come: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/apr/28/tories-imperial-vision-post-brexit-trade-deal-disruptive-deluded
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TheRat posted:This would be really loving funny if it turns out to be real (which it probably won't): time to find out if being under investigation during an election only affects women, or only affects those remotely left of centre
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lol just lol if your preferred nomenclature is "Marxism-Leninism" despite the superior cadence of "Marxist-Leninism", which all good cadre will know is crucial.
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Corbyn shouldn't have stood with the SWP but the Home Office helped to cover up rape aligation in immigrant detention centres so while Theresa May was in charge of it. TheRat posted:This would be really loving funny if it turns out to be real (which it probably won't): The most the BBC would cover it would be saying Corbyn didn't land any real blows on it and May didn't seem bovered mate like every time the Tories get caught out being crooks.
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TheRat posted:Out of curiosity, has there ever been a (popular) cult that actually self-identified as a cult? They had a resurgence of popularity with the tracks "rain" and "she sells sanctuary" being on gta soundtracks but much of their other work is a bit samey tbh
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What about the descendents of women who only got the vote after the empire was falling? Do the men have to apologise to all women who never got to vote as well? Expecting people to apologise for the people who used to live in the same country as they live in now for something they had literally nothing to do with, is as silly as football fans chanting two world wars and one World Cup at football matches with Germany.
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learnincurve posted:What about the descendents of women who only got the vote after the empire was falling? Do the men have to apologise to all women who never got to vote as well? Most people now think that women should have equal rights with men. Most brits still think empire wasn't all that bad. Its not that uncommon for people to be fond of it, and even remember it with a warm nostalgia. There is a very big difference between these two things.
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learnincurve posted:What about the descendents of women who only got the vote after the empire was falling? Do the men have to apologise to all women who never got to vote as well? This is a bad opinion. We in the first world still, still enjoy the material advantages of the dispossession of previous generations, and their descendents both at home and in the diaspora still suffer the consequences of that exploitation and its many hangovers. The disruptive, corrosive effects of western colonisation and exploitation of what would later become the global south and the attendant uprooting and displacement of their populations is a historic wound that may never be healed, the least we can do is be contrite about it and let those voices into the discourse about what in our past we do and don't celebrate.
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DesperateDan posted:They had a resurgence of popularity with the tracks "rain" and "she sells sanctuary" being on gta soundtracks but much of their other work is a bit samey tbh Fire Woman was pretty good.
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learnincurve posted:What about the descendents of women who only got the vote after the empire was falling? Do the men have to apologise to all women who never got to vote as well? Actually yes, it's right that individuals who are the beneficiary of circumstances from before their time, but who now live at the same time as individuals who suffer from the consequences of that inequality, should make sacrifices for the betterment of all. The patriarchy and slavery, colonialism and imperialism were all bad things that still have an impact on the world today. So long as individuals enjoy the benefits of those legacies they should strive to raise the situation of people who are the opposite.
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One of the excuses used by the elite to justify the institution of slavery was the contemporary existence of impressment. "We kidnap people from Africa, put them in chains and whip them for the good of the colonies, but we do the same to people from Devon for the good of the navy, so it's not really that unjustifiable." Wilberforce was accused of hypocrisy by both defenders of slavery and abolitionists like Sharp who opposed both institutions for trying to make distinctions between the two. I think that really hammers home the need for solidarity between workers of all races, but it's also key to remember that whenever the rulers in Britain have used race to play divide and rule, it's the 'whiter' of the two groups that tended to be given the most cards.
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*holds up new edition "bad things" cards* Slavery: Bad Cannibalism: Bad Systemic abuse: Bad Anime: Badly good Mayonaise: Bad Pop Science: Bad New Dr who episodes: Bad
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Regarde Aduck posted:*holds up new edition "bad things" cards* You need to add Robot Wars to this list.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Pop Science: Bad Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about astrophysics is good. Neil deGrasse Tyson talking about areas of science he doesn't know is bad. 90% of non-academic texts with Quantum in the title are bad. Khan Academy is good (I think).
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Pissflaps posted:You need to add Robot Wars to this list. gently caress off mate you do not
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I tell you what is BAD all these blasted IMMIGRANTs we should call them immys
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Pissflaps posted:You need to add Robot Wars to this list. I agree with you on a lot of things but seriously gently caress off on this, Robot wars this year was great fun.
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This is pretty neat - an ex-homeless person has raised money to kit out a travelling bus to provide a safe space and permanent address for rough sleepers. There's a short video about it on the Beeb here.
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Guavanaut posted:What kind of pop science are we talking about here? Bill Nye Saves the World.
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New Robot Wars gave us this and it justifies it's existence. http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/grown-man-storms-robot-wars-10014733
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learnincurve posted:What about the descendents of women who only got the vote after the empire was falling?
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Pissflaps posted:You need to add Robot Wars to this list. What
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bessantj posted:Bill Nye Saves the World. Ah, the series that got people calling him a pedophile cuck because he acknowledges that gender isn't as simple as "there is penis, there is vagine"
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TinTower posted:Ah, the series that got people calling him a pedophile cuck because he acknowledges that gender isn't as simple as "there is penis, there is vagine" The hell? I get the cuck part but where did they get the pedo part from?
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bessantj posted:The hell? I get the cuck part but where did they get the pedo part from? Kids as young as five can know they're trans. Ergo he's a pedo. Milo who?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Kids as young as five can know they're trans. Ergo he's a pedo. jfc, that's it? This is a really important issue you'd hope people would have more tact.
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Bill Nyes recent Netflix series has quite a few glaring history errors in it, which is proof that science isn't everything (seriously wikipedia will tell you stonehenge wasn't built by celtic druids, there's no excuse.)
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Sky news is running a pretty amusing montage of May's staged attempts to do door knocking in Aberdeenshire and it going horribly wrong as she looks increasingly more uncomfortable by the moment. It's made all the better by shots of in the distance Ruth Davidson having a grand old time herself with people. https://www.facebook.com/skynews/videos/1735610159786907/
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Skinty McEdger posted:Sky news is running a pretty amusing montage of May's staged attempts to do door knocking in Aberdeenshire and it going horribly wrong as she looks increasingly more uncomfortable by the moment. It's made all the better by shots of in the distance Ruth Davidson having a grand old time herself with people. I like how she was about to gently caress off without saying goodbye to Davidson.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Sky news is running a pretty amusing montage of May's staged attempts to do door knocking in Aberdeenshire and it going horribly wrong as she looks increasingly more uncomfortable by the moment. It's made all the better by shots of in the distance Ruth Davidson having a grand old time herself with people. "I'm a doorstep campaigner" = six doors with no answer and then fucks off, good job
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TheRat posted:Out of curiosity, has there ever been a (popular) cult that actually self-identified as a cult? Rajneesh? Prince John posted:This is pretty neat - an ex-homeless person has raised money to kit out a travelling bus to provide a safe space and permanent address for rough sleepers. That's indeed excellent stuff. If only Thatcher hadn't made it one of her missions to stamp out the New Age Traveller culture (or Medieval Brigands if you're a Tory) in the 80s, maybe we'd have more of this going on. Lots of them ended up homeless after the crackdown of course. nothing to seehere posted:Bill Nyes recent Netflix series has quite a few glaring history errors in it, which is proof that science isn't everything (seriously wikipedia will tell you stonehenge wasn't built by celtic druids, there's no excuse.) Really? Fuckin' hell. That's not a glaring error that's straight up unreconstructed Victorian antiquarianism. No excuse for that to appear in a supposed 'Science Guy's programme.
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