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April Fool's has gone too far. Quest For Glory II posted:We didnt even make it a full page without a lurdiak fight Man, don't pin that shitposting on me. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 17:19
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My guess is that Yooka-Laylee is probably a perfectly good collectathon 3D platformer, but that, without nostalgia, we don't actually want to play collectathon 3D platformers anymore. We can go back and play Banjo Kazooie and have fun because we played it as kids and have that affection for it, but a new one doesn't have the glow of nostalgia going for it and we're going to notice a lot more of the things that make that kind of game tedious. That said, Yooka-Laylee also has utterly baffling character design and chose an unfortunate art direction for its budget, so maybe it isn't all that good, either.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:25
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When did it become in vogue to hate on banjo kazooie lol, that poo poo owned and was fun and cool as gently caress and all the weird little mysteries in it kept me entertained a ton as a kid
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Apr 1, 2017 17:26
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video games are bad ha ha april fools 
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Apr 1, 2017 17:26
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Harrow posted:My guess is that Yooka-Laylee is probably a perfectly good collectathon 3D platformer, but that, without nostalgia, we don't actually want to play collectathon 3D platformers anymore. We can go back and play Banjo Kazooie and have fun because we played it as kids and have that affection for it, but a new one doesn't have the glow of nostalgia going for it and we're going to notice a lot more of the things that make that kind of game tedious. Wasn't the demo level that got released pretty well received though? I think yooka & laylee themselves look weird and offputting but most of the other stuff I've seen looks fine (keyword being most)
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Apr 1, 2017 17:28
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FirstAidKite posted:When did it become in vogue to hate on banjo kazooie lol, that poo poo owned and was fun and cool as gently caress and all the weird little mysteries in it kept me entertained a ton as a kid I kind of feel the same way about Donkey Kong 64 which tends to get a lot of the same poo poo. Is having piles of points to collect a bad thing if there's fun platformer game around it? Of course, I never actually beat DK64 because I couldn't beat the original Donkey Kong minigame, so maybe I'm not the best source here 
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Apr 1, 2017 17:29
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Harrow posted:My guess is that Yooka-Laylee is probably a perfectly good collectathon 3D platformer, but that, without nostalgia, we don't actually want to play collectathon 3D platformers anymore. We can go back and play Banjo Kazooie and have fun because we played it as kids and have that affection for it, but a new one doesn't have the glow of nostalgia going for it and we're going to notice a lot more of the things that make that kind of game tedious. I just don't see what makes Banjo games tedious.  Like people keep saying "you collect things in it" like it's this damning thing. Unless you're talking about a game that just isn't fun to play at all(Star Fox Adventures, I'm looking at you), there's nothing inherently wrong with having collectibles as objectives in your game as long as the levels are designed around it. It's not like it's an open world game that just drops a bunch of tedious collectibles all over the map at random and gates progress behind it.I don't think Yooka Laylee's art direction is particularly bad, either. Obviously Yooka and Laylee aren't quite as good designs as Shorts Bear and Backpack Bird, but they look fine to me.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:31
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banjo-kazooie is a perfectly well-designed and fun game that yooka-laylee seems to be more in keeping with than the other two donkey kong 64 is a huge mess of a game that still has lots of great music and neat worlds even though the kong-switching stuff is very tedious banjo-tooie is a game that would be good if it didn't consist of giving you more menial tasks instead of fun gameplay challenges like kazooie and dk64 do it's hosed up, but today i agree with lurdiak
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Apr 1, 2017 17:36
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I found the April Fool.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:36
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Lurdiak posted:I just don't see what makes Banjo games tedious. It's like people are misremembering banjo kazooie and banjo tooie as being exactly like the opening of banjo kazooie nuts & bolts where they make fun of collectathons by having you slowly walk around picking up a bunch of notes in a row. Tangents posted:I kind of feel the same way about Donkey Kong 64 which tends to get a lot of the same poo poo. Is having piles of points to collect a bad thing if there's fun platformer game around it? DK64 would have been better if they streamlined a lot of it. The main issue with that game was that you more or less had to traverse each level 5 times, but not all at once, and levels could get to be pretty big. Banjo Tooie had a similar issue with having to traverse progressively complex levels as multiple characters in order to get everything, but Banjo Tooie didn't split up the notes into "banjo only" and "kazooie only" and "mumbo only" and "transformation only" like DK64 did with its bananas.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:37
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As someone who both enjoyed Banjo kazooie as a kid and has replayed it in the last couple years, it sucks balls.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:42
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the issue with banjo-tooie is that while every character in donkey kong 64 is perfectly suited to traversing the levels and they more often than not place quick ways to reach dk barrels when needed, tooie likes to make place split up pads super far from the things you actually need them for, has annoyingly long load times that you have to sit through constantly, runs weirdly sluggishly, and outside of specific jiggies and collectables, splitting up or using mumbo jumbo or transformations is usually actually very useless and that takes out a whole lot of the fun when it means you'll only end up bothering to use them for like fifteen minutes at a time and then spend a chunk of your time heading back to turn back to normal banjo-kazooie kind of has the same thing with transformations, but it gave them more utility than tooie does because it didn't have to split them up between two other mechanics that also changed your controls and abilities, and the levels are much more compact and it doesn't have to load areas constantly so it doesn't feel like the game is constantly wasting your loving time
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Apr 1, 2017 17:45
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The Colonel posted:the issue with banjo-tooie is that while every character in donkey kong 64 is perfectly suited to traversing the levels and they more often than not place quick ways to reach dk barrels when needed, tooie likes to make place split up pads super far from the things you actually need them for, has annoyingly long load times that you have to sit through constantly, runs weirdly sluggishly, and outside of specific jiggies and collectables, splitting up or using mumbo jumbo or transformations is usually actually very useless and that takes out a whole lot of the fun when it means you'll only end up bothering to use them for like fifteen minutes at a time and then spend a chunk of your time heading back to turn back to normal Is Banjo Tooie in that Rare collection thing that came out for Xbone? That could solve the sluggishness and the long load times, at least.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:49
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yeah, it is too bad that collection didn't fix jet force gemini having the worst control scheme for some insane reason
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Apr 1, 2017 17:51
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Lurdiak posted:Is Banjo Tooie in that Rare collection thing that came out for Xbone? That could solve the sluggishness and the long load times, at least. Even if the load times are better though Tooie still has you running between different worlds for a single Jiggies quite a few times. It always feels a little too elongated to me.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:52
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https://twitter.com/vestenet/status/848217009628352512
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Apr 1, 2017 17:58
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Raxivace posted:I believe so. It'd be neat if the Banjo games got one of them Zelda style re-releases that improve some of the more annoying aspects as well as generally improving performance. Even the best N64/PSX era games could use a spitshine.
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Apr 1, 2017 17:59
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I saw the news today, oh boy
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Apr 1, 2017 18:15
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I understand bathing with your clothes on, not a fan of keeping a picture of a model in your bathroom though, that poo poo'll get soggy as gently caress
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Apr 1, 2017 18:16
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https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/848067376407085058
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Apr 1, 2017 18:22
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Shovel Knight says, "Highest bidder." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TZo5Gnxog8 (I like his speech effects though  )
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Apr 1, 2017 18:28
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I think I'm with Kite on Yooka and Laylee's designs, after watching that video with Shovel Knight. Something about them just looks off.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:45
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Rare platformers are bad. They go hard on giving you a poo poo ton of collectibles to get instead of building a focused and challenging level. Also their sense of humor sucks rear end.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:51
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Maybe it was ok that Nintendo was the only dev still making 3D platformers
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Apr 1, 2017 18:53
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I'll say this, I'm a lot more interested in seeing Rare platformers come back than I would be in seeing Knack & Daxter-Clank games return.
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Apr 1, 2017 18:56
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Lurdiak posted:I'll say this, I'm a lot more interested in seeing Rare platformers come back than I would be in seeing Knack & Daxter-Clank games return. Well those series are bad too
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Apr 1, 2017 18:58
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Anyway those are from a Web series that featured taro and it looks pretty neat https://youtu.be/L3wScHE28K8
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Apr 1, 2017 18:58
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Banjo Kazooie kind of sucks but at least it's still playable. I played Sonic Adventure 2 last night and the horrible camera plus the buggy platforming and the awful lives system made it extremely frustrating. Thankfully I was drinking so it wasn't too bad 
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Apr 1, 2017 18:59
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Do people consider the Donkey Kong Country games to be collectathons? Sure, they had like ten different varieties of coins to worry about, but they were hardly mandatory.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:00
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Jay Rust posted:Do people consider the Donkey Kong Country games to be collectathons? Sure, they had like ten different varieties of coins to worry about, but they were hardly mandatory. I don't know, but I definitely saw some idiots say they're also bad in a previous chat thread.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:02
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The world's gone crazy. Lately I've noticed people defending Ocarina of Time's water temple. In this post-fact world we live in, what's considered good and what isn't has become arbitrary.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:17
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BK is a great game because it had a great camera for a 3D platformer (which was a 2-year-old genre at the time), fantastic music that changes depending on where your location in each level, generally good upgrades for your characters (invincibility being the only real cop out), unique characters, and collectathon gameplay without being too frustrating. I only recently 100% BK and I feel like people who poo poo on the game either haven't bothered beating it or weren't going to be born for another decade before it came out, growing up with a PS2 or Xbox instead. Was a great game in 1998, back in 2007 when I beat it again, and in 2015 when I finally 100% it. Also has a ton of secrets (cheats that can be entered in the sand castle) and the scuttlebutt about Stop n Swop was a conversational topic for nearly half a decade. Some people just have fury and vitrol when it comes to games. Luckily, there's that Post History button you can click to find out how much time someone has recently devoted to making GBS threads on any given piece of software. If more goons would dress up in a weird Penguin/Hitler fashion with rubber gloves and provide bullshit criticisms for popular games on camera instead of in text, we could turn the entirety of Games into a Spanish Jimquisition. Nioh, 10/10 Bloodborne, 10/10 Undertale, 10/10 Inside, 10/10 Breath of the Wild, 7/10 2-3 follow-up articles/videos about "fanbase fragility" EDF 4.1 3/10 who gave this guy a license to review software Bloodplay it again fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 1, 2017 |
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Apr 1, 2017 19:17
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banjo kazooie has some stellar designs and music but the jiggies aren't too hard to get once you know the game inside and out
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Apr 1, 2017 19:21
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Lurdiak posted:I'll say this, I'm a lot more interested in seeing Rare platformers come back than I would be in seeing Knack & Daxter-Clank games return. Is it wrong that I don't care about any of these games and am totally ok with them coming out or never coming out personally
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Apr 1, 2017 19:26
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There was a new Ratchet & Clank game last year and it was pretty good.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:27
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Jay Rust posted:The world's gone crazy. Even Nintendo admitted that temple was bad.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:28
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Banjo Kazooie is probably the best collect-a-former on the n64, but what was the worst? Blues Brothers 2000? Duck Dodgers? Don't say Glover cause it's too innovative to be bad
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Apr 1, 2017 19:29
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tap my mountain posted:Banjo Kazooie is probably the best collect-a-former on the n64, but what was the worst? Blues Brothers 2000? Duck Dodgers? Depending on what you think constitutes a platformer: Castlevania 64, Tonic Trouble, or Earthworm Jim 3D. Probably Earthworm Jim 3D.
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Apr 1, 2017 19:33
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Jay Rust posted:The world's gone crazy. Water temple is certainly hard and a bit confusing for kids, but I wouldn't call it bad by any means. Its very creative and interesting, its non-linear, and especially in the 3DS remake they add a few little things that make it much harder to get confused. You compare that to even several other zelda dungeons and its way better. Like, consider jabu jabu in oracle of ages. Its pretty much exactly the water temple from OOT except in 2D which makes it 10x harder to understand. People like you are why zelda dungeons hold your hand now like in wind waker! 
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