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I thought the turkish military/deep state were in shambles and ataturks beautiful dream of secularism and armenian death was dead and buried
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i mean outside of some sort of bizarre clone scenario... he was a kemal fan at heart it's clear.... he went and found, a kemal hair!
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Apr 7, 2017 11:35
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shovelbum posted:I thought the turkish military/deep state were in shambles and ataturks beautiful dream of secularism and armenian death was dead and buried it's islamism and kurdish death now
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Apr 7, 2017 23:16
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have the secularists ever actually won an election in turkey
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shovelbum posted:I thought the turkish military/deep state were in shambles and ataturks beautiful dream of secularism and armenian death was dead and buried the deep state may be gone, but as long as there is a turkey, armenian genocide will never die
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Apr 8, 2017 05:37
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no third option?
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Apr 8, 2017 05:52
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Badger of Basra posted:have the secularists ever actually won an election in turkey most presidents before Erdogan were secularist because Ataturk was heavily influenced by the French and their "church and state should be as far apart as possible" policies. plus, if anyone got a bit too Islamist the army would step in, because they believed themselves to be the true guardians of Kemalism.
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Apr 8, 2017 06:53
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The sad part is how so many Turks seem to be on board with Erdogan. I guess that rhetoric about "restoring the Ottoman Empire" is really appealing to poverty-stricken Turkmen.
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Apr 8, 2017 07:12
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Troy Queef posted:most presidents before Erdogan were secularist because Ataturk was heavily influenced by the French and their "church and state should be as far apart as possible" policies. plus, if anyone got a bit too Islamist the army would step in, because they believed themselves to be the true guardians of Kemalism. yeah but almost none of those guys ever won an election if you go back and look at turkish elections, the ones that were actually free and fair were almost always won by islamists (who may or may not then be couped later)
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Apr 8, 2017 07:17
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Badger of Basra posted:yeah but almost none of those guys ever won an election Are you just basically limiting free and fair to "elections won by the Democratic party" or something? (also even the democratic party wasn't so much islamist as it wasn't as hardline secularist as CHP)
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Apr 8, 2017 07:25
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of the ones i see where chp wasn't the only party, they won: 1946, 1961, 1973, 1977 (all three with with a small plurality) they haven't come anywhere close to winning an election since 1977, unless you count dsp as a continuation in which case they "won" by getting 20% of the vote in 1999 (chp actually got 0 seats)
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Apr 8, 2017 15:58
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Alienwarehouse posted:The sad part is how so many Turks seem to be on board with Erdogan. I guess that rhetoric about "restoring the Ottoman Empire" is really appealing to poverty-stricken Turkmen. From what I understand, Erdogan has been good about distributing aid and infrastructure to rural areas of Turkey [except for the parts where Kurds live]. He really is a classic populist strongman, with everything that comes along with that.
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Apr 8, 2017 19:46
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PleasingFungus posted:From what I understand, Erdogan has been good about distributing aid and infrastructure to rural areas of Turkey [except for the parts where Kurds live]. He really is a classic populist strongman, with everything that comes along with that. be glad that trump seems to be an extreemmely moronic strongman instead of being a competent one
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Kurtofan posted:be glad that trump seems to be an extreemmely moronic strongman instead of being a competent one
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Alienwarehouse posted:The sad part is how so many Turks seem to be on board with Erdogan. I guess that rhetoric about "restoring the Ottoman Empire" is really appealing to poverty-stricken Turkmen. Thats how this stuff usually works. The more desperate the people, the more they go along with strongman bullshit 'lets make our land great again'
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests this started because erdogan was going to bulldoze a park to put in a luxury brand shopping mall. he of course also bulldozed the protestors too
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Darkman Fanpage posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezi_Park_protests less than one week before turkey shoots themselves in the foot btw
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Apr 10, 2017 17:48
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The saudis demolished the house of Mohammed's wife so they could install bathrooms.
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christian fundamentalists talk a big game, but it is literally impossible for them to desecrate the holy places of islam any better than the House of Saud already does
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Apr 10, 2017 23:41
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They're just combating idolatry.
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PleasingFungus posted:christian fundamentalists talk a big game, but it is literally impossible for them to desecrate the holy places of islam any better than the House of Saud already does I feel like the wahhabi desecration of Mecca is a good view of how horrible it would be to have evangelicals in charge of Jerusalem. Also their deep desire to destroy Mecca and Medina is something that goes way, way far back.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The saudis demolished the house of Mohammed's wife so they could install bathrooms. I'm an atheist and this enrages me.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm an atheist and this enrages me. Ever seen any pics of Mecca lately? It's the textbook definition of "Gauche"
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Ever seen any pics of Mecca lately? It's the textbook definition of "Gauche" Its gonna make some kickass video game levels when oil crashes and it starts getting reclaimed by the desert
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Apr 12, 2017 20:31
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Business Gorillas posted:Its gonna make some kickass video game levels when oil crashes and it starts getting reclaimed by the desert You're thinking of Dubai. Even if there's a near extinction event, people will still be making the Hajj.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Ever seen any pics of Mecca lately? It's the textbook definition of "Gauche" yeah but they still got that big black and gold techno cube afaik, that thing loving rules. it's like a magic macguffin from dead space or some poo poo
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Apr 12, 2017 20:46
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get that OUT of my face posted:what is it about islamists and creating big monuments to consumerism? i know that erdogan isn't a wahabbist but it's the same end result as what the saudis have done with mecca insanely brutal right wing religious extremists are worshippers of a god very unlike the one they claim
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Fullhouse posted:yeah but they still got that big black and gold techno cube afaik, that thing loving rules. it's like a magic macguffin from dead space or some poo poo The Kaabah is the ritualistic heart of Islam itself. It's everything surrounding the Masjid-Al-Haram mosque that will make you lust for Saudi death. 
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Apr 13, 2017 00:50
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Aren't mosques the opposite of haram?
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Volcott posted:Aren't mosques the opposite of haram? Haram or haraam have two different pronunciations that mean different things, in this case "haram" means sacred, not forbidden. They're written differently in Arabic.
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Apr 13, 2017 01:03
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Has Köksal Baba weighed in on this yet?
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Nanomashoes posted:Has Köksal Baba weighed in on this yet? https://twitter.com/nurten31126848/status/849385857945677824
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I had a friend visit from Spain last week and he asked if "Evet" was the name of the guy on the posters around town (Erdogan). He later asked me if sultans are still real.
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Apr 13, 2017 14:55
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They will be after the referendum.
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Well I'm convinced, let's have a new Ottoman Empire.
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Apr 13, 2017 16:33
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Thread needs more of Erdogan's taxpayer-funded billions-dollar vanity palace.  
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asaf posted:I had a friend visit from Spain last week and he asked if "Evet" was the name of the guy on the posters around town (Erdogan). He later asked me if sultans are still real. Only these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtY
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Kaabah is the ritualistic heart of Islam itself. It's everything surrounding the Masjid-Al-Haram mosque that will make you lust for Saudi death. you could show that picture to someone, say it's part of the Las Vegas Strip, and they'd believe you
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Troy Queef posted:you could show that picture to someone, say it's part of the Las Vegas Strip, and they'd believe you Gaudy eyesore in the middle of the desert? Checks out.
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