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I hadn't heard of Digger until my girlfriend got me the omnibus as a present, figuring correctly that since I like wombats and I like comics I'd like it. It's a wonderfully original fantasy world with some really interesting characters and I'd recommend it to anybody. It was originally a webcomic so it's easy enough to check out.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:I hadn't heard of Digger until my girlfriend got me the omnibus as a present, figuring correctly that since I like wombats and I like comics I'd like it. It's a wonderfully original fantasy world with some really interesting characters and I'd recommend it to anybody.
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Lurdiak posted:Girl Genius is just the worst thing. Even admitting I enjoyed the early bits as a guilty pleasure that was never even close to being award winning material. But I wouldn't be surprised if steampunk anything got a big boost with the Hugo crowd...
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Apr 8, 2017 15:30
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Overture probably got it purely because if Gaiman's on the ballot, they just throw out the other votes. All 3 of them.
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Edge & Christian posted:Here are the previous winners of the prestigious Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story: Holy poo poo lol Gaz-L posted:Overture probably got it purely because if Gaiman's on the ballot, they just throw out the other votes. All 3 of them. They do. Dan Harmon was nominated for a Hugo for an episode of Community. He went to the reception to sign in and when the receptionist saw what category he was nominated for she literally said "I'm sorry". Harmon asked why, and the receptionist said "Neil Gaiman is nominated for that too, and he always wins"
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Lurdiak posted:Girl Genius is just the worst thing. I think you'll find this is demonstrably false.
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Apr 8, 2017 18:57
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Can't be worse than Gold Diggers. Edit: I know that's not the same thing as the Digger that was nominated, thank God, I just thought "What's the worst comic I've ever read" and Gold Diggers was the answer.
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Guy Goodbody posted:They do. Dan Harmon was nominated for a Hugo for an episode of Community. I thought the Hugo Awards were for science-fiction and fantasy stuff. 
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Apr 8, 2017 21:59
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Wheat Loaf posted:I thought the Hugo Awards were for science-fiction and fantasy stuff. Have you not watched Community?
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Wheat Loaf posted:I thought the Hugo Awards were for science-fiction and fantasy stuff. Community has some weird episodes.
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Rhyno posted:Have you not watched Community? I have not. I don't really watch many sitcoms, to be honest. Anyway, I wouldn't have room for them on my shelf next to all five seasons of Sliders.  (Thought you may appreciate a bit of a deep cut.) Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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LoL. But yeah, Community has an episode where the cast fights themselves from an evil alternate reality.
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Yeah, I assumed maybe they were nominated for the Dungeons & Dragons episode, but the nomination was for an episode where some of the cast were having a housewarming party and agreed to roll a die to determine who had to go pick up pizza. The episode then broke off into seven divergent timelines, so I guess that qualifies as speculative fiction. But yeah, Abed the character who imagines the alternate realities later imagines himself at war with himself from "The Darkest Timeline" across the rest of the season, and then in the fourth "gas leak" season they start doing a full-on invasion of the Darkest Timeline because it is the gas leak season. Anyway the point is, there are a lot of things that get nominated for Hugos that aren't strictly in the niche of "sci-fi/fantasy" if they turn out to be popular with sci-fi/fantasy people and are also kind of speculative? Other weird (at least to me) outliers include movies like Yellow Submarine, The Muppet Movie, The Right Stuff(????), Big, Apollo 13(?????), most of Pixar's filmography,Being John Malkovich, Hidden Figures, episodes of Lost and My Little Pony, etc. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Apr 8, 2017 |
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SF/F nerds who are almost strictly into it in the form of novels and prose fiction have a weird relationship with comics, and that's the audience mostly represented by the Hugos.
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Edge & Christian posted:Anyway the point is, there are a lot of things that get nominated for Hugos that aren't strictly in the niche of "sci-fi/fantasy" if they turn out to be popular with sci-fi/fantasy people and are also kind of speculative? Other weird (at least to me) outliers include movies like Yellow Submarine, The Muppet Movie, The Right Stuff(????), Big, Apollo 13(?????), most of Pixar's filmography,Being John Malkovich, Hidden Figures, episodes of Lost and My Little Pony, etc. I feel like I need to make a week out of just diving into some of these oddities in their nominations. This sounds scatterbrained and fun as hell.
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Lightning Lord posted:SF/F nerds who are almost strictly into it in the form of novels and prose fiction have a weird relationship with comics, and that's the audience mostly represented by the Hugos. It's a shame, there are some great sci fi comics. Like Spider-man.
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I honestly am really not sure why the Hugos bothers to give awards to non-prose fiction stuff, they're so bad at it.
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Apr 8, 2017 23:04
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Considering how much comics were influenced by science fiction pulp stories and many early creators were complete sci fi nerds you would think there would be a closer relationship between comics and the hugos.
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Edge & Christian posted:Here are the previous winners of the prestigious Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story: I'm not going to pretend I can argue with this. Objection withdrawn.
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Apr 9, 2017 07:24
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Realised I haven't checked on the progress of Miracleman Silver Age in a hell of a time. Did they ever fuckin release any of it?
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Apr 9, 2017 12:55
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Nope.
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My personal hot take re: Miracle Man is that a significant chunk of the audience read the collections when they were released and had a fairly nonplussed reaction. Sort of a 'that's what people were making a big deal over' thing. Just like showing people who like to watch movies without necessarily being 'film nerds' Citizen Kane or Alien or Jaws, the things that made those works so striking on release have largely been absorbed into the general language of the medium to the point where they don't seem as impactful today. (That said, Jaws absolutely still holds up.)
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NorgLyle posted:My personal hot take re: Miracle Man is that a significant chunk of the audience read the collections when they were released and had a fairly nonplussed reaction. Sort of a 'that's what people were making a big deal over' thing. People who are non-plussed on Alien are not people I want to meet.
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Apr 9, 2017 20:44
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Ripley's underpants are still as striking as ever.
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My personal hot take re Miracle Man is that Marvel completely hosed up the release so bad. They started off by releasing a Marvelman Classic collection, which no one wanted. The entire point is that Marvelman was a lovely, uninspired, generic, ripoff comic. The old Marvelman stuff is maybe of historical interest to MiracleMan fans, but the actual run of Miracleman contained a Marvelman reprint that I think satisfies all of that interest by itself. But if you aren't familiar with Miracleman, Marvelman is just a lovely old comic. Every comic shop near me was trying to sell those Marvelman Classic Tpbs for 3 dollars each until very recently, I think they all just eventually gave up and threw them away. Marvelman Classic was probably the most effective possible anti-advertisement for Miracleman After that, Marvel actually starts releasing the Miracleman comics. But instead of just releasing them in nice trades, they released them as a monthly comic. Which by itself is a baffling choice, but worst off is that it was super expensive, like 5 dollars an issue. And they justified that extra expense by including a ton of extra content nobody actually wants. Here's Miracleman Issue 1, 20 pages of comics and then 20 more pages of editorials about how great Miracleman is and uncolored art of the comic you just read, five dollars please. And then when they finally release it in trades, it's hardcover only and thirty goddamn dollars for four issues. It was the most absurd ripoff. I am a huge Miracleman fan, Miracleman is probably my favorite Western comic, I was ecstatic when I heard Marvel was going to be reprinting it. I bought the first two issues and then gave up, because the releasing and pricing were ridiculous.
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Also I wasn't too hot on the recoloring job, that pretty much killed my interest in re-buying a comic I'd already read before. It wasn't Killing Joke bad or anything, but it was, as with all modern recolorings, way browner and more muted.
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Wasn't there a rumour that Marvel hadn't got the Miracleman legal situation completely nailed down like they thought they had and that's why it's stopped
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.....does that mean they haven't released any issues of Silver Age yet?
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Escobarbarian posted:.....does that mean they haven't released any issues of Silver Age yet? Yeah, none of the actual issues people actually want have been out.
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Starsnostars posted:Wasn't there a rumour that Marvel hadn't got the Miracleman legal situation completely nailed down like they thought they had and that's why it's stopped It comes up a lot and nobody at Marvel will respond to those questions.
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Apr 9, 2017 23:21
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He's a white man so it's no big surprise they're not interested in talking about his sales figures.
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They stopped literally one issue off of finishing up the reprints, I don't buy that they did that willingly.
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Oh and when they have retailer conference calls our group chats MiracleMan questions are not allowed.
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Apr 10, 2017 00:56
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Wait, so what is the difference between Marvelman and Miracleman? Which one does the trade "Miracleman: A Dream of Flying" belong to? That's been sitting on my wishlist for a year.
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Schneider Heim posted:Wait, so what is the difference between Marvelman and Miracleman? Which one does the trade "Miracleman: A Dream of Flying" belong to? That's been sitting on my wishlist for a year. Marvelman is the character's original name. Miracleman is the name Eclipse branded him with when they began publishing the character in North America.
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Rhyno posted:Marvelman is the character's original name. Miracleman is the name Eclipse branded him with when they began publishing the character in North America. Okay, but Guy Goodbody's post says Marvel's Miracleman release is awful because of the ridiculous pricing, or does that only apply to hard copies? The ebook is for $10.99 only, which doesn't seem bad.
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Schneider Heim posted:Okay, but Guy Goodbody's post says Marvel's Miracleman release is awful because of the ridiculous pricing, or does that only apply to hard copies? The ebook is for $10.99 only, which doesn't seem bad. Okay this is where it gets stupid. The character has existed for decades, originally they were just repurposing Captain Marvel stories for the UK market. In the 80's Alan Moore revived the character, wrote it for a short time and then handed it off to Neil Gaiman who never got to finish his run. In recent years Todd McFarland decided he owned MM, that ended up blowing up in his face and Marvel ended up buying the character. So instead of just re-releasing all the original issues they instead released some overpriced hardcovers of the various "Classic" stories that not a single person on Earth wanted. And then they started re-printing the Moore stories as overpriced single issues and then subsequently as overpriced hardcovers. Then the singles stalled out with no explanation given. It's been over a year since the released an issue and it's hilarious because they have six 100% finished issues they can still release AND #25 was written, drawn and inked 20 years ago so they already have a "new" issue in the can. The whole thing has become a clusterfuck and Marvel's total lack of commenting on what's going on isn't helping. It is wildly speculated that something has come up and Marvel doesn't actually own the character.
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Rhyno posted:Okay this is where it gets stupid. Comic licensing issues are always weird :o Now it doesn't seem appealing to start reading the book
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Other posters have also speculated that the fan reaction was lukewarm. For 20 years people have been talking about how amazing MM is, calling it one of the best comic books ever but when it was finally available to read legally again all these people who bought into the hype were massively dissappointed. Also the art in the middle issues of the Moore run is total rear end.
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