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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
lmao Rick and Morty did severance

still a pretty good ep

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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

XboxPants posted:

Why was Beth less happy in the paradise world? Why didn't she simply continue working with horses, but without pay? Why would that route not offer value to her existence? (it's because value is determined by how much money you generate) The only person we see continue to pursue their craft out of passion is the BBQ shack guy and he's revealed to be an unnatural creation. As if it's impossible for a real human to do this.

You can say that the episode was doing this all intentionally, like ironically. To point out how stupid its own premise is, or whatever you're saying. But there's not really any evidence of that. On the face of it, this is an episode where communists came in, eliminated capitalism and fixed all the social problems, and people were less happy with that than they were with the old way. It's only anticapitalist if you start by assuming the writers are anticapitalist.

It's just as valid to look at this episode and say its message is, "even if someone stepped in and addressed all that woke bullshit you virtue signalers whine about, it wouldn't make anyone happier because humans will always find something to complain about. none of those problems really matter" and that's just as compliant with the episode we were given.

I mean, it's also fair to say that the episode just has no coherent political message, but that indicates to me a writer team with no coherent political beliefs. In this climate, in the US, having "no political beliefs" is a dogwhistle for being a reactionary.

Goddamn it's a standard trash science fiction plot, aliens come down and make things perfect but in the context of writing a show you can't have the aliens stay and have everything be perfect forever so there has to be some major flaw so that the show can continue. Usually this is because the aliens are evil or some other thing is wrong, but Rick and Morty wants to swerve that premise (explicitly underlined in Rick's speech) and still have a show, so it's human self-destruction and ennui that does the paradise in.

This is not presented favourably, humans being bored with paradise and incredibly self-destructive is not only the explicitly the joke of the episode (listen to the closing song where it lists off the many many actual environmental disasters we have or are currently inflicting on ourselves) but also many other episodes of Rick and Morty.

Not only that but being bored with heaven is a common narrative device and theme throughout modern culture, so much so that it has a tv tropes page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HellOfAHeaven

It's also a documented psychological phenomenon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

There's an Isaac Bashevis Singer story called "Fool's Paradise" about the concept: https://twistsandstories.blogspot.com/2014/07/fools-paradise-by-isaac-bashevis-singer.html

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Mx. posted:

Pretty sure Harmon is the incest guy

Harmon's fetish is mannequins and red heads not incest. Roiland's solo stuff also has incest

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Nichael posted:

Wealth and power rot brains.

and Justin's brain was already super rotten

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Dragonstoned posted:

The key point of my post was that I didn't know how much of a piece of poo poo this guy really was until this news about domestic abuse dropped...

I watched a cartoon the guy was in, this doesn't mean I follow the guys life and know all about what he's been up to. I didn't even know about that new video game he was in until it was released and people were talking about it - so how tf am supposed to know about him saying creepy things in a podcast form 2011??

Now that I KNOW these things, I want him to face all the consequences in the world for it (like going to prison and losing his show.)

funny that you should use a Jon Hamm meme while saying this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Hamm#Assault_incident

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
Dan Harmon's been pretty open about his dad's physical abuse and while Harmon's reconciled with his father to a degree I'm not sure the same amount of leeway might extend to someone who's merely a close friend.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

xerxus posted:

https://youtu.be/8DI946ov1ns
Hard to believe they actually put this out as a bonus video.

Wow they really dramatised nearly every problem with Justin as a show runner mentioned in that article as a series of promotional clips/interviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8qfpGwzhOU

It's got everything the annoying dogs, the rc car, the distance between Harmon and Roiland, the obsession with VR, the goofing off instead of doing needed work

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

PostNouveau posted:

This is one of the Rick & Morty writers basically saying it non-anonymously

https://twitter.com/heathercampbell/status/1623010342547894277

And another Rick & Morty writer:

https://twitter.com/caitiedelaney/status/1623011633563045889

So there you go, people putting their names on it. Dude was a no-show for years apparently.

Here's an ex-writer for Rick and Morty
https://twitter.com/vornietom/status/1623015292900372481

fez_machine fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Feb 8, 2023

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Everything about Hugh Jackman made me laugh, because it was a) actually Jackman doing the voice, and b) he was having an incredible time being completely unhinged. I think I was just laughing at how much joy he was taking in saying his lines.

this is the trap late simpsons fell into, eventually it stops being a joy.

It's always a bad sign to have a celebrity voice themself

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

alf_pogs posted:

or character actress Margo Martindale on Bojack Horseman

Both these examples had strong diminishing returns

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Beve Stuscemi posted:

Doesn’t matter what the voices sound like if the show isn’t funny.

I want to say I have faith in Dan harmons ability to get writing done to solve this but who knows.

The fact that there's a years long lag between writing, an episode being released, and audience feedback means it won't any time soon

Harmon has also made it clear that his standards were causing both workplace stress and getting in the way of Rick and Morty being a decades long gravy train for him

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

LividLiquid posted:

His growth means worse art and I'm fine with that, even if it is a little disappointing.

Better showrunners don't have to make that choice to begin with, though. It's a shame.

I'm not sure any showrunner can maintain a high standard of art when you get into the high volume make the same burgers forever business

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

PneumonicBook posted:

You guys can just stop watching the funny cartoon science man show when you don't like it you know.

we can watch the funny show and discuss why it didn't meet our expectations or resembled worse shows as well

I can't speak for others but it probably isn't consistently bad enough to drop just yet

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

Takes No Damage posted:

The newspaper comic For Better or Worse did it from '79 to 2008, can't think of an animation that's done it tho.

Big Mouth just aged its characters up a year, so they might continue doing it every few seasons.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
Good episode

Revealed that Rick and Jerry's most shared trait is selfishness.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
It was an okay episode but big webcomic 3 to 5 years in vibes

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
I don't like the megging of Summer in this episode. Summer has always been an attractive and competent if emotionally volatile teenage girl and it feels like someone came from Family Guy to do an ugly Meg joke.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
I think I liked this more than most because it resolved my megging anxiety

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
yeah that was objectively terrible

still pretty fun though

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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
Good episode

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