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Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

suburban virgin posted:

Energy and environment are the big questions, but even maximum climate change could be ridden out fairly well for the rest of your short gay life without too much disruption in rich countries.

Sounds like you haven't read much about what "maximum climate change" means, because if it happens you're not going to be OK just because you're in a "rich" country unless you're personally rich

TheBalor posted:

States far less durable than our own survived the Black Death, the 30 year's war, Mongol invasions, and more. We're talking 75%+ people in a country dying horribly and everything getting burned down. But they kept going. If medieval dynastic "states" could survive hammerblows like that, modern ones can survive far more.

Yeah the thing is though, things got better after those blows. Climate change isn't getting better within human timescales.

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It's a sea level rise measured in feet per century. It does not pose an existential risk to new york city. It's not that kind of threat.

You seriously have no idea what you're talking about. The new WTC doesn't need to have its antenna fully under still water for climate change to pose an existential threat to NYC. The streets and subways would be fully underwater at 2 degrees C.

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Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Main Paineframe posted:

Not that sea level rise isn't a problem, but humanity has a lot of experience in holding back the sea from its efforts to take land that should by all rights be doomed by sea level. Florida is likely a lost cause, but given the financial interests tied up in NYC, it's basically certain it'll be given the infrastructure needed to cope with sea level rise. It's expensive, sure, but NYC is rich as hell and the financial center of the US.

Right, I guess what some of us are trying to say is that it's not like NYC is just going to cease to exist, we're just questioning how meaningful that will be in the aftermath of the social disruption caused by putting the surrounding metro area under water

Like, this is a country that tore itself apart over 3,500 deaths and around a 10% unemployment rate caused by a self-inflicted economic crisis. LOL if you think we're gonna survive this without millions of American deaths in the next 50 years

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