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Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
I would argue that the springs came out of the current international system a little while ago due to a variety of pressures, it has already collapsed, but in a manner like a distant star, where what you perceive is what has already happened, a long ways away and a long time ago. That is, we're just waiting for the collapse that has already happened to fully manifest itself, which will take some years/decades. But nothing is going to get better from here on out.

rudatron posted:

Define 'collapse'. The worst effects of climate change are a drop in precipitation, a shift in where the arable land is, a drop in total arable land, and water shortages. Rising sea levels aren't that big of an issue.

I'm afraid this is not true. A huge majority of the human population lives in areas that will be underwater in the future; we're talking forced migration on an unimaginable scale, as well as complete economic dislocation.

If we go past 2C, as is pretty much guaranteed at this point, it's not going to stop warming at any livable temperature. There is nothing to keep the equatorial regions from becoming completely uninhabitable.

We will careen from collapse to collapse.

Mozi fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Apr 4, 2017

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