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The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

occamsnailfile posted:

So I have a few more questions about Chinese education--

The high schools you all are teaching at are described as intended for at least pseudo-elite students. My latest reading suggested that mandatory education stops at 9th grade, and 10-11-12 are optional. Is that accurate, and how many students actually attend for those last three years? Are there free public options available all the way through high school?

What percentage of Chinese students attend college? It sounds like a lot of the English learners mentioned are at least intended for universities somewhere even if they have little in the way of educational aspirations of their own.

This may change from province to province but there are not free public options all the way through high school, and at the Foreign Studies High School, which was obviously a high school based on foreign languages but still just like any other high school, it actually worked like this.

Most students have to take the 中考, which is the High School Entrance Examination. Students receive scores on this and then apply to schools that they want to go to, and the more that the school wants you, the less you have to pay to go there. This is why, when I worked in the public sector, students would get so upset over test scores. Because it actually meant they would have to pay more to go to the school. For example, say that you are about 136/300 in the student listing in your grade, and you take the exam and you get a decent score, and 84. If your family has a good relationship with the school, or your dad and the dad of someone on the school board bangs KTV prostitutes together on the weekend, or if your mother works in the local office or whatever, you'll probably be able to go into high school on a pretty decent price. It won't be crazy expensive.

If you placed 2/300 of the students during the whole year, and got a 99 on the exam, you will probably end up at the school you were at for free, or for like five bucks for the whole year. They will do just about anything to keep you there.

However, if you placed like 298/300 of the students and got a 34 on the exam, you will not be attending that school unless you pay an astronomical fee, or unless your father is literally best friends with the father of the school board. You will more than likely end up at Number 146 Middle School in the middle of nowhere, and probably be about average there, so in fact it actually kinda works out.

So it's a sliding scale for payment based on how badly the school wants you. It isn't free for anyone unless you're like the top 1%.

This is how it was explained to me in Tianjin in 2010, it may have gone under a massive overhaul since then, I haven't worked in the public sector since 2012.

As for how many students go to college, I have no idea, that's a good question, but I'd guess that it isn't too different than the United States? I guess I may be way off, you definitely see a lot of people that haven't gone to college where I am right now, but if you roll through Amarillo, Texas, I'm going to guess you aren't going to see too many University graduates there either.

The Great Autismo! fucked around with this message at 22:37 on May 16, 2017

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The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Fleta Mcgurn posted:

^ TGA, thank you so much- I didn't know almost any of that. You've really clarified the whole test score panic I've seen here.

I also have no clue about university entrances, but AFAIK being able to choose whether or not to attend high school is the same in Korea and Japan, but relatively few students do it.


Speaking of tests, some students got their TOEFL scores today! For those who don't know, TOEFL is a Test of English as a Foreign Language, in which students are testing in their speaking, writing, and reading abilities. Any score below 80 is pretty much worthless, at least for North American schools. Students get so obsessed with TOEFL, their parents get obsessed with it...I'd say 80% of their education currently is a TOEFL class or practice session of some kind.

It's a wonderful racket. 1700 RMB per sitting, and most students at our school take it between three and five times.

Anyways, the worst student in the whole school doubled his TOEFL score from last time, so now he's rocking a 34. This is actually a pretty big achievement for him, and he seems pretty happy about it!

in 2012 I had my greatest achievement in education in China, I got a kid who was lazy and terrible and got a 44 on TOEFL to a 91, because the company let me develop a personal plan just for him and his parents actually followed it. I thought this would be flood gates and open a whole new way we do business but instead they reverted to the original way which was super Chinese style as just really bad

Ah well, I'm happy now

The Great Autismo! fucked around with this message at 05:00 on May 17, 2017

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