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Really not sure what you expected a Democratic president with both parts of Congress controlled by Republicans to accomplish, honestly.
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Fame Douglas posted:Obama was a great Republican. He manage to pass a Heritage foundation right-wing health care plan through a fully Democrat controlled Congress. He also managed to promote great right-wing ideas for gutting public education. So the solution for Democrats not being able to leverage their position is to become even more like Republicans by eating their own and forcing out moderates?
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Apr 10, 2017 17:47
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Typo posted:honest question, at this point, what defines a moderate democrat? According to this forum, quote:anyone to the right of Stalin
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Apr 10, 2017 19:04
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R. Guyovich posted:the republicans did that and got both houses of congress, the supreme court and president trump. what is your point here exactly They got that by having a base that actually votes, not specifically by guillotining their own. Having the Democrats eat anyone to the right of Zizek will alienate the few remaining moderates and then the Democrats never win an election again because they're about 40 years too late in the "If you ever vote for the other party, you will lose your job and family to evil" messaging department.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:21
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icantfindaname posted:they dont have to eat anyone, they simply have to treat the left wing of the party's base with the same respect as everyone else I thought they already completely ignored the left wing of their base. You're giving me mixed signals here, and I suspect that's part of the problem with the Democrats: They can't offer a coherent message like the Republicans.
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Apr 11, 2017 04:27
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How many of those 62 million rightfully assumed that she didn't give two shits about them? Given the option of choosing between "Person who ignored me completely", "Person who lied to me and told me what I wanted to hear", and "I'm not choosing", the majority of people would choose 2 or 3.
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Apr 11, 2017 17:25
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I'm having a hard time remembering how many general election stops Hillary made in the Rust Belt. You know, that area where eight years of time passed and the only progress was that gays could get married, as opposed to any sort of economic recovery. Someone have that figure handy?
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Apr 11, 2017 17:40
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mcmagic posted:Her policies would've helped them much more than his . It's a good thing she campaigned on policy rather than "TRUMP BAD GROPING MAN" then.
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Apr 11, 2017 18:32
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So I think I figured it out. It's Obama's fault that the Democrats lost seats for not actively trying to be a leftist president, but it's Trump/the media/the voters' fault(s) that Hillary lost despite taking a firm watered down milquetoast stance between Bernie and 1990's Republicans positions. In conclusion, in order for the Democrats to beat Republicans, they need to become Republicans but more left.
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Apr 11, 2017 18:49
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Let's talk about my Free College and Booze and Guns and Weed plan. It's simple: When you graduate from high school, the government sends you to college, and if you graduate, you get all the booze, weed, and guns you want. It's a really good plan and the one thing stopping me from enacting it is that I didn't run against and lose to Donald Trump.
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Apr 11, 2017 20:59
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mcmagic posted:Giving Tax Credits for student loan relief isn't "republican lite" it's good policy and would help a lot of people. Because it still doesn't solve the problem of "How do I pay for college without taking out enormous loans I'll never be able to pay off or discharge?"
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Apr 11, 2017 21:11
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