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Waltzing Along posted:There's an upgraded grimm child. Or I can skip the fight and banish him and get some other charm. Not sure which one is better for pantheon and radiance and trial of fool. Cuz at that point that is all that is left. The biggest argument for not skipping the fight is that it's widely viewed as one of the best fights in the game. Like it's really really good. And also a good barometer for deciding whether you really want to start doing pantheon content or not. JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Aug 6, 2023 |
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Beating NKG is arguably my most cherished video game achievement. Just such a loving great feeling after originally fighting him for the first time and being like “lol nope this is impossible” and not even attempting to learn the fight until months later. Yea it’s loving hard, but like others have said, it is fair. If you put in the time you’ll beat him. Plus the music is so drat good.
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Aug 6, 2023 06:00
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Definitely don't skip Nightmare King Grimm. You'd be cheating yourself out of one of the best bosses in the game.
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Aug 6, 2023 09:19
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Both of the Grimm charms are pointless unless you're a speedrunner, so defeat NKG imo because it's an excellent fight
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Aug 6, 2023 18:36
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nightmare king grimm, how many times will i lose today before ragequitting "sssEVEN"
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Aug 6, 2023 18:42
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I have fallen more in love with Hollow Knight. My sweetie bought me a physical copy of HK to go with my new Switch. Upon opening the case, I was delighted to find that there was an actual instruction manual! It was not just a single slip of paper with a link to the company website, but a real manual with artwork and everything!   And wait, what's this?  I know who that is!  Cornifer comes through with a complete map. Way to raise the bar again, Team Cherry.
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Aug 7, 2023 00:49
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I really hate the electro soul master dudes in the trial of the fool. I get to them with full health and masks and am lucky to get through their bit alive.
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The Zombie Guy posted:I have fallen more in love with Hollow Knight. Holy smokes that's fantastic! A truly rare sight
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Nightmare King was actually the fight that made me fall out of love with the game's combat. It just boiled down to a handful of moves that require rigid pre-determined responses where the difficulty mostly came from the intense pace of the fight and the twitch reflexes required to match it and didn't get inside my brain the same way a Souls superboss does
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Aug 7, 2023 13:09
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Nightmare King Grimm bounces between two extremes. When you first face him he's very overwhelming with his speed and double damage, but once you get the responses to his various moves down (mostly twitch reacting to if he spawns in the air or on the floor and then adjusting once you see the actual attack) he becomes very simple. Because he always has consistent timings and spacing on his attacks he can't surprise you with anything, turning him into one of the easiest bosses to Radiant clear once you master the responses. Even then I still like fighting him more than Zote and the presentation on his fight is amazing. It's criminal that the pantheon version doesn't have all the same flair.
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Aug 7, 2023 13:44
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Yeah, I can beat NKG hitless on a good day, but I still don't like him and never will. This is partly because he leaves little room for personal expression in gameplay and partly because he marks the point where the game crosses the line from being a fun adventure to redoing the same fight over and over building up muscle memory to beat whatever twitch reflex bullshit challenge the game puts in front of you next.
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Aug 7, 2023 14:14
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PV is better.
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Aug 7, 2023 17:36
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Well, I chose to banish Grimm. It's what I wanted to do storywise and I wanted to try out the Carefree Melody. (Also, my other save is already at Grimm 1 so not far from the "big" fight if I choose to go do it. I hate those Nightmare fuckers, though.) I realized I hadn't done Soul Tyrant and fuuuuck. That's fast. I think I'll finish him once I finish the Trial. Trying to find a loadout that I like. I've come close to the end of the thing but I can't get through the electro dudes with enough health to get through the wall sequence that comes after. I usually start them near maxed on everything. The problem is the duo hits from electricity and then falling to the spikes after.
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Aug 7, 2023 18:05
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PV is outright the best boss in the game imo. Sisters of Battle are also fun as hell but the they have the inherent problem where the fight gets easier as it goes on
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I struggled through all of the super bosses and pantheons but didn’t enjoy any of them. I’ve got literal brain damage that makes memorization a pain so the only way for me to beat them was to mash my face into the wall and get trashed over and over again until they sank in. Still don’t hold it against the game because the super boss/endgame/DLC content is a fraction of what the game has to offer and most of the game is still fun. I loved most of the bosses up to Hornet 2, and still enjoyed the HK fight itself. Traitor Lord was where my brain problems started causing skill issues and that was the last regular boss I fought anyway. I enjoyed the White Palace too. A replay would probably go a lot better now that I know what I’m supposed to do though
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Aug 7, 2023 19:18
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Traitor Lord isn't particularly hard with Sharp Shadow. It's just a fast fight so if things aren't right they can go bad real fast. I don't think I will be able to 100% the game if I have to do the final pantheon. Looking at the lists I'm pretty sure I can get through 1 & 2 without much struggle, 3 looks doable with a bit of practice. 4 is probably as far as I am able to do without investing another 50 hours or so into perfecting fights, which I don't want to do. I'm not sure if I need to do 5 to get the plat, though.
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there are a couple of things in this game i don't think i'll ever have the time and focus to master, but i think that rules. for a game to have a smooth progression in difficulty that covers the entire range of my personal skill and then keeps going is the kind of experience that i would normally have to play a multiplayer PvP game to get this is not a failing or an affront to the player, it's a gift; "we want this to still be worth your time a hundred or a thousand hours in"
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Waltzing Along posted:Traitor Lord isn't particularly hard with Sharp Shadow. It's just a fast fight so if things aren't right they can go bad real fast. You need it for the plat. You don't need it for 100% on your save file
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Aug 7, 2023 21:00
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The Zombie Guy posted:
On the subject of maps, is there a way to get Cornifer's map of the Resting Grounds directly from him rather than having to buy it from the shop? I've never seen him in the area, just the note he leaves behind. It seems like there should be some way to encounter him there, but I can't figure one out.
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Meaty Ore posted:On the subject of maps, is there a way to get Cornifer's map of the Resting Grounds directly from him rather than having to buy it from the shop? I've never seen him in the area, just the note he leaves behind. It seems like there should be some way to encounter him there, but I can't figure one out. Nope that’s the only one intentionally done like that.
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Meaty Ore posted:On the subject of maps, is there a way to get Cornifer's map of the Resting Grounds directly from him rather than having to buy it from the shop? I've never seen him in the area, just the note he leaves behind. It seems like there should be some way to encounter him there, but I can't figure one out. (e:fb)I once saw an answer from one of the devs on that, the player can never meet Cornifer there by design, so newer players that might be disinclined to ever visit the map shop would go there at least once and find out what else it has in stock.
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Alxprit posted:PV is better. Not an emptyquote.
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Waltzing Along posted:Traitor Lord isn't particularly hard with Sharp Shadow. It's just a fast fight so if things aren't right they can go bad real fast. I don't agree with this, even with Sharp Shadow I found that fight very frustrating after it was buffed. I always just cheese it with Flukenest and Shaman Stone.
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Aug 8, 2023 00:46
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The run back to that boss is what annoys most people, I think. It’s definitely the beginning of the GETGUD segment of the end game for most players.
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the only bad boss in this game is eternal radiance because having to high-speed dodge orange and white projectiles against an orange and white background is some bullshit collector and nosk have similar problems but they're e z mode so who cares
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jeeves posted:The run back to that boss is what annoys most people, I think. It’s definitely the beginning of the GETGUD segment of the end game for most players. Not me! It's 100% the boss fight itself. Well, 95%. The last 5% that pisses me off is having to fight several of those nasty mantis enemies before the boss, making it more difficult to start the fight with full health. I have almost every other enemy in the game down to a science, but those are always a little hairy, at least when there's more than one at a time.
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This game has what seems to be intended as a tool for skipping runbacks (dreamgate). Traitor Lord is one of the few bosses where I actually bothered with it
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Yeah. Not sure why anyone would bother with the run back.
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The only bad boss runback in the game, in my opinion, is Soul Master. Honestly, the Soul Master runback is one of the biggest flaws in an otherwise near-perfect game imo.
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That one is long but I don't think the fight is anywhere near as nasty as Traitor Lord, which I guess is why it didn't register to me as a problem. gently caress those flying guys though!
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DontMockMySmock posted:The only bad boss runback in the game, in my opinion, is Soul Master. Honestly, the Soul Master runback is one of the biggest flaws in an otherwise near-perfect game imo. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a flaw, but it sucks that it’s an early difficult fight that gatekeeps a critical ability you need to open up large parts of the world.
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Cartoon Man posted:I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a flaw, but it sucks that it’s an early difficult fight that gatekeeps a critical ability you need to open up large parts of the world. That's not what makes it bad. On your first playthrough you don't even know that it is going to give you dive (though if you got to phase 2 before dying, and you also encountered some dive floors earlier, you might figure it out). What makes it bad is that it's part of the "natural" progression of the game just after getting Mantis Claw, so when you get there you're probably still going to be a bit of a noob. You're heavily signposted to go in that direction after you see Hornet jumping across the entrance to the City in Fungal Wastes, then get the ability you need to cross that gap yourself. Maybe you fight Mantis Lords first, but pretty soon you're going to head into City. So you do so, and not long after, you find yourself in Soul Sanctum. You may or may not end up heading in the direction of the nailsmith first; if you do, then Soul Master is a lot less of a problem. But if you don't, your money that you might need to go acquire a nail upgrade or better charms is stuck in your shade in Soul Master's room. Woe betide you if you sold relics to Lemm first, because there's a very real risk of losing your geo. Soul sanctum is full of enemies that teleport randomly and shoot projectiles. They're hard to hit, and if you don't kill them, they'll teleport on top of the place you're dashing to, hit you on contact, then shoot a fireball at you to hit you again. And they die quickly so you can't get much soul from them. It's very much a sudden escalation of danger (of losing a huge quantity of geo) compared to anything else you've encountered so far, even the Mantis Lords fight (a much more challenging boss imo). The only saving grace is that the boss itself is not actually that hard. On my first playthrough, I think I died once. But even then, I still remember that runback. The Mantis Lords runback also stood out, as I died a few times on them. But even though it's a bit long, it's easy enough to refill soul from carefully and cautiously fighting mantises; you can't really say the same for teleporting soul fuckers. Pretty much any boss runback after those two isn't bad at all; Traitor Lord and Hive Knight would be the main contenders but you almost certainly have Dreamgate before then.
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Hey guys I beat P5 and I am very proud of myself. That was like 2 weeks of prep from first run of P5, to unlocking absrad to consistently beating her. I beat her on Ascended, went for P5 next run and completed it with 3 lives left. I still have to do journal, 100% steel, and 5 hour speedrun all of which should be a breeze now.
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You should simply beat Soul Master, rather than have to run back.
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The idea of fighting Soul Master before finding the nail upgrades is wild to me. If some guy actually was so skilled and so stubborn to beeline straight to it while having blinders on, never stopping to spend geo nor explore other (more obvious?) paths, the lost geo from dying to one of the simpler bosses is the least of their concerns. Or maybe this hypothetical stubborn bugger could just go back and get his geo, I dunno. It's a nothingburger. edit: As a counter-example, I was a stubborn fool who refused to back down from mantis lords. Eventually I heeded the NPC's advice and just went elsewhere and came back with a nail upgrade. Soul Master has always been a 'very-much-later' part of the game to me, I didn't even know you could rush him. He consequently always died on the first attempt. To get back on track, this is a conversation about Geo loss, right? Like, it's a red herring, there's more geo than the player can spend (before the red circus dlc), just keep playing and exploring and never even bother going back to find your ghost, who cares, you're rich. The bloodstain/geo loss thing is totally psychological rather than a practical concern. Serephina fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jan 23, 2024 |
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i rushed soul master my first playthrough without realizing that was what i was doing lol. i didn't know nail upgrades were even a thing. it was a bad time
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i rushed soul master my first playthrough without realizing that was what i was doing lol. i didn't know nail upgrades were even a thing. it was a bad time  it didn't really detract from the game for me though. i just thought it was an escalation of difficulty and i was enjoying it
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Soul Master was my first experience with a dream boss and the fact that it deposits you right next to the encounter again, instead of back at a bench, felt really encouraging. Like yeah, this is not within the normal difficult curve
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Posting in this thread because I just, finally, managed to beat Radiance. I am not good at video games, and my previous couple of pIaythroughs I had noped out on the fight - beat HK and decided that was enough for me after a couple of tries at her. However, my kids have played on my account over the years and both had got the achievement for beating her. They've graduated to their own accounts, but I thought I should try to do it so I can say it's there legitimately. It took an awful long time - but I did also add NKG during the playthrough, so I'm satisfied. Silksong when?
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Albinator posted:Posting in this thread because I just, finally, managed to beat Radiance. I am not good at video games, and my previous couple of pIaythroughs I had noped out on the fight - beat HK and decided that was enough for me after a couple of tries at her. However, my kids have played on my account over the years and both had got the achievement for beating her. They've graduated to their own accounts, but I thought I should try to do it so I can say it's there legitimately. It took an awful long time - but I did also add NKG during the playthrough, so I'm satisfied. I've got a note from Team Cherry that says you, personally, need to beat Absolute Radiance before they'll release it.
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