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Since I'm Jewish, all of them are in fact my conspiracies  But especially the thing about the CIA selling cocaine to crips/bloods to fund the Contras in Nicaragia and then pressuring Gary Webb into committing suicide. I legit believe that happened
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Alienwarehouse posted:The CIA definitely had a role in the death of JFK. I highly recommend The Devil's Chessboard by David Talbot. https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Chessboard-Dulles-Americas-Government/dp/0062276166/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= The United States House Select Committee on Assassinations came to the conclusion that it was a conspiracy: "The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy." Then we have an internal memo from J. Edgar Hoover blaming "Misguided anti-castro cubans" There was definitely something there.
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MaxxBot posted:Jeb! did 9/11
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I've always thought that the 'conspiracy movement' itself was a conspiracy, you have giant network of wide-eyed morons acting as a great disinformation source for you. It also makes any other counter-government look unfavorable, because you sharing the same ideological space with alex jones and what not. Best thing you could do if you're the CIA is fund people like Jones.
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Apr 14, 2017 09:23
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Gareth Williams commited suicide despite being found decomposing inside a duffle bag padlocked closed from the outside
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rudatron posted:Best thing you could do if you're the CIA is fund people like Jones. 
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Apr 14, 2017 10:34
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the KGB helped spread the moon landing conspiracies there are fake conspiracies intended to discredit real conspiracies (p much every antisemetic conspiracy falls into this category) soros is down with being vilified in part because hes got one hell of a guilty conscious jesus's message has been corrupted since 20 seconds after he ascended into heaven, and he knew it would be there aren't any lizard people
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the real conspiracy is that the planet is very poorly run
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All pedo conspiracies are true in the UK and definitely involve the royal family
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i believe that alex jones is faking and doesnt really believe in everything he says
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rudatron posted:I've always thought that the 'conspiracy movement' itself was a conspiracy, you have giant network of wide-eyed morons acting as a great disinformation source for you. It also makes any other counter-government look unfavorable, because you sharing the same ideological space with alex jones and what not. according to hypernormalisation rumours about UFOs were spread to stop people from knowing about all the military hardware they were developing at area 51
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Tingfinder posted:The United States House Select Committee on Assassinations came to the conclusion that it was a conspiracy: Oswald had a very strange career and the JFK assassination is fascinating because there's so much information available that you can assemble all kinds of weird theories about what might have happened. During his time in the marines he was evaluated for his proficiency at speaking Russian, which heavily implies he was given Russian language instruction during his time in the military. Shortly thereafter he very publicly defected to the Soviet Union and stated he was going to share classified information with the Soviets. Then, after living in the USSR for a couple years, he left Russia and moved back to America with a Russian wife. Despite having publicly declared he planned to reveal classified radar information to the Soviets he was never officially debriefed by the CIA (though he did speak with the FBI) and was never charged with any crime. He even received a loan from the state department to help facilitate his return. Back in the US he developed a friendship with George de Mohrenschildt and seems to have associated with a number of other shadowy figures like Guy Bannister and David Ferrie who had all sorts of intelligence and organized crime connections. There's even a CIA employee, James B. Wilcott, who testified under oath at the House Select Committee on Assassinations that in the months after the assassination Oswald's employment by the agent as a double agent was being openly discussed by his fellow CIA employees (though apparently none of Wilcott's coworkers would back up his testimony to the HSCA). Oswald's time in Mexico city six weeks before the assassination is also really bizarre and despite the fact that the CIA was monitoring both the Cuban and Mexican embassies they mysteriously have no photographs of Oswald entering or exiting either building and there was some doubt in the FBI that the man in Mexico was actually Oswald. Another weird loose end is that Oswald delivered a letter to the FBI field office in Dallas which was ordered destroyed hours after Oswald was killed by Jack Ruby, a man with extensive connections to law enforcement and organized crime. Sen. Richard Schweiker was speaking for a lot of people when he commented in a Village Voice article that ""We do know Oswald had intelligence connections. Everywhere you look with him, there are fingerprints of intelligence." Oswald's career has a lot of hallmarks of being some kind of intelligence asset. He certainly associated with a lot of people involved in that world. That doesn't mean he was a CIA agent or that he was necessarily acting on orders to kill Kennedy. He might have been a mentally unstable nutjob that the CIA and/or FBI were simply monitoring. He may have been working for the Cubans or for organized crime. Or he may have been part of a plot by elements of the US government. But whether they are just covering up their own incompetence or something potentially more sinister it's actually pretty shocking how many unanswered questions there still are about the whole JFK incident. I don't think most people even realize the number of high level US government officials and committees who have openly said that major questions about the assassination were never answered. The answer is pretty much unknowable at this point but it's a sort of interesting rorscrach blot test for how you think about government. You glance at this huge confusing mess of contradictory information and overlapping investigations and can come away with all kinds of weird ideas about what happened. 
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resar posted:Read them to your kid for a bedtime story. Get them woke early this has given me the idea of making children's pop-up books that discuss normally complex political stuff in basic terms that a kid could grasp. I'm sure someone else has already monetized this, but it makes me laugh to think about reading a kids book to my daughter that explains Watergate or JFK's assassination or 9/11 in kid terms. Baloogan posted:the real conspiracy is that the planet is very poorly run yeah the real conspiracy is that there is no shadowy cabal of intelligent and capable elites whom are all manipulating world events for some nefarious purpose. it's just several million people who've failed upwards into the highest levels of power and responsibility now making dumb choices because they're selfish or short-sighed or aggressively ignorant, etc.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:this has given me the idea of making children's pop-up books that discuss normally complex political stuff in basic terms that a kid could grasp. I'm sure someone else has already monetized this, but it makes me laugh to think about reading a kids book to my daughter that explains Watergate or JFK's assassination or 9/11 in kid terms. you could have confetti shaped like people fall out of the pop up twin towers
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and the reason why the intelligence community wanted him gone is apparently he was troubled by the Buddhist uprisings starting (the famous monk burning happened in 63) and he was looking for a way out him not interfering with the diem coup was probably the way out for him since "we supported diem but he's gone so are we"... only he probably wanted to wait until after the election the following year to fully pull out because he didn't want to look soft instead he gets assassinated 20 days after the coup and johnson goes balls deep into vietnam
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Gringostar posted:and the reason why the intelligence community wanted him gone is apparently he was troubled by the Buddhist uprisings starting (the famous monk burning happened in 63) and he was looking for a way out Why was wanting to leave Vietnam a reason to kill him though? Did the intelligence community really believe in the whole "domino theory" thing? Or maybe they were they doing some shady poo poo on the side that a withdrawl would disrupt?
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Trochanter posted:Why was wanting to leave Vietnam a reason to kill him though? Did the intelligence community really believe in the whole "domino theory" thing? Or maybe they were they doing some shady poo poo on the side that a withdrawl would disrupt? the cia was making loving bank doing shady poo poo (where do you think the idea for iran/contra came from) in and around vietnam which allowed them to fund all sorts of stuff off the books and without congressional oversight vvv also this vvv
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Trochanter posted:Why was wanting to leave Vietnam a reason to kill him though? Did the intelligence community really believe in the whole "domino theory" thing? Or maybe they were they doing some shady poo poo on the side that a withdrawl would disrupt? Leaving Vietnam would have cost defense contractors millions of dollars in losses; and the CIA most likely would have had its funding substantially cut. It's really all about money dude.
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Gringostar posted:and the reason why the intelligence community wanted him gone is apparently he was troubled by the Buddhist uprisings starting (the famous monk burning happened in 63) and he was looking for a way out JFK also cucked CIA agent George Meyer. Meyer's wife / JFK mistress, Mary Pinchot Meyer, was killed execution style a year later in a case that was never solved and there's always been speculation that a jilted George might have been involved in both murders. Obviously if you think the CIA was somehow involved in Kennedy's assination then George's personal motives aren't a sufficient explanation but I always found it hilarious that one of the participants in a hypothetical JFK conspiracy might have been a cuckolded CIA officer. Realistically though I don't think it's possible to know what the motivations behind the killing were. Yeah, it might have been to stop a pull-out in Vietnam, or maybe it was an Operation Northwoods style pretext to invade Cuba which never ended up getting used. But it might also be that Oswald genuinely acted alone or was acting on behalf of the Cubans or the Mob, and the CIA's motivation for covering up their involvement might just be to conceal their own incompetence because they were watching this guy and yet failed to stop him from murdering the President. I think it's relatively easy to show that the Warren Commission was covering something up - indeed, the government itself has admitted on more than one occasion that there was some sort of cover-up - but it doesn't seem like you can say with any certainty whether the government was concealing their involvement or merely covering up an embarrassing failure. Another fascinating angle to all this is that it appears to have been connected in some nebulous way to the Watergate scandal. For instance, Nixon famously told H. R. Halderman to meet with CIA director Richard Helms and to tell him that Watergate threatened to open up that "the whole Bay of Pigs thing", which Halderman said, in his biography, that interpreted to be a reference to the assassination of Kennedy. Wikipedia posted:A passage in The Ends of Power has been claimed to support allegations linking Watergate to the assassination of John F. Kennedy.[9][10] The "Smoking Gun" tape revealed that Nixon instructed Haldeman to have the CIA pressure the FBI into dropping their Watergate investigation.[9] Nixon instructed him to tell the CIA that the investigation would "open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again".[9][10] In his book, Haldeman wrote: “It seems that in all those references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination".[9][10] He added that Nixon might have been reminding CIA Director Richard Helms that the CIA assassination attempts on Fidel Castro may have triggered the assassination of Kennedy.[10] Again, this could either be interpreted as Nixon saying "we were running covert operations in Cuba and the Oswald assassination was blowback from the Cuban government, we cannot let this information get out because it would embarrass the government". Of course many people read more deeply into this and think it implies that Nixon was involved in or had compromising information about the CIA actually being involved in the assassination. Trochanter posted:Why was wanting to leave Vietnam a reason to kill him though? Did the intelligence community really believe in the whole "domino theory" thing? Or maybe they were they doing some shady poo poo on the side that a withdrawl would disrupt? One version of the "government killed Kennedy" theory would run as follows: that the powerful interests behind the government were broadly divided into two factions. One faction, based around old money on the East Coast, was primarily focused on Atlantic relations and on the Cold War in Europe. For this group it seemed as though co-existence with the USSR was both possible and desirable compared to conflict. But there was also a faction, based more on the West coast and looking toward the Pacific and Asia, who viewed communism as an enormous threat. For them - with their focus on the third world rather than Europe - confrontation seemed both inevitable and necessary. These two groups had been able to settle their differences behind the scenes but by the 1960s they were extremely divided. Kennedy, who was on the far left of the East coast establishment faction, was too resistant to armed confrontation. His murder, according to this interpretation of events, was part of a silent coup which placed the west-coast faction in power and allowed them to pursue a more aggressive anti-communist policy. The key conflict, in this version of the story, isn't necessarily Vietnam but rather Cuba. Kennedy was blamed for not committing sufficient resources of the Bay of Pigs and resisted calls to invade Cuba when the Bay of Pigs invasion failed (this explains, among other things, why Nixon might have used "that bay of pigs thing" as a code-word to refer to the JFK assassination when he was dispatching H. R. Halderman to speak with Helms). This "betrayal" over the Bay of Pigs engendered bitter resentment among large parts of the CIA and within the Cuban exile community. The CIA had already established contacts with these groups and with parts of the Mafia. Decades later it would be learned that the CIA had actuallyed employed mafia assassins "off book" to kill Castro. One of the more plausible versions of the "government killed Kennedy" theory would be that rogue elements of the CIA took advantage of these off-book Mafia/Cuban assets to arrange the assassination and then used Oswald, a pre-existing asset, as a fall guy. One plausible interpretation of Oswald's career is that he was a CIA and/or FBI asset or agent who was trying to infiltrate the pro-Castro Cuban community in Miami and that he was thus the perfect fall-guy for a plot to kill the President and blame it on Cuba. Further circumstantial evidence in favour of this would be that Oswald's own killer, Jack Ruby, also had extensive Mafia connections. After Oliver Stone's movie JFK came out in the early 1990s there was a lot of public pressure to release the large number of still classified documents pertaining to the assassination. This lead to the creation of the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board, a government board that has overseen the release of more than 1,500 JFK related documents. One of the declassified files, revealed in 1997, was a set of plans called "Operation Northwoods", prepared in 1962, which called for false flag terrorist attacks to be staged in order to create a pre-text for invading Cuba. JFK's murder could be seen as exactly the pre-text needed to invade Cuba since in the period leading up to the assassination Oswald had developed numerous connections to both the pro and anti Castro communities in Miami. Someone claiming to be Oswald had also traveled to Mexico City 6 weeks prior to the assassination and visited the Cuban and Soviet embassies there. It's not clear if that man was actually Oswald (the FBI informed President Johnson that they couldn't be sure, and despite the CIA maintaining photo surveillance of both embassies they claim that both cameras were malfunctioning that week and thus they have no photo records of Oswald entering or leaving either embassy). So, again, there's a conspiracy theory interpretation of all this which claims that this was actually an elaborate set-up designed to make Oswald look like an agent of the Cuban government so that his later assassination of Kennedy would serve as the pre-text for an invasion. Obviously this would leave open the question of why the invasion never happened (possibly because Johnson instead decided to invade Vietnam). That's the thing about the JFK assassination though. You can construct all kinds of wild theories or link all kinds of dots. There are sprawling connections that point to Watergate and even Iran-Contra and beyond. But you could also make a much narrower interpretation of the evidence which mostly just points to widespread government incompetence. For instance, Lyndon Johnson (who is himself often implicated as part of the conspiracy to kill JFK) privately told people that he thought that JFK had been killed by the Cubans. quote:In July of 1973, six months after the death of Lyndon Baines Johnson, The Atlantic published an article by a journalist and former Johnson speechwriter named Leo Janos. "The Last Days of the President," about LBJ in retirement, was elegiac in tone and fact, save for one dissonant paragraph—in which Johnson volunteered his opinion that President John F. Kennedy's assassination had been the result of a conspiracy organized from Cuba. "I never believed that [Lee Harvey] Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger," he explained to Janos. Johnson thought such a conspiracy had formed in retaliation for U.S. plots to assassinate Fidel Castro; he had found after taking office that the government "had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." Under this interpretation nobody really wanted to uncover actual evidence of Castro's involvement because it would have been extremely embarrassing and might have lead to a nuclear war with the Soviets. So the US government created a story about Oswald as a "lone nut", strong armed people like Earl Warren into supporting this version of events, and has been concealing the truth ever since because it would now be too damaging to admit anything. And that's just one of the less crazy versions of the theory. What's really striking, though, once you dig around for a bit, is just how many high level US government officials are on record as doubting the official narrative. If you were only casually acquainted with all this stuff you'd be forgiven for thinking that JFK assassination theories are barely one step above "reptilians run the illuminati" tier conspiracy theories. But actually there's a gigantic pile of evidence suggesting something very strange happened in Dallas in 1963.
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Also lol I sound like such a nutcase right now
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I really believe that the CIA is indisputably the most dangerous organization on the planet. They are the masters at starting wars, overthrowing governments, and disinformation campaigns. The most frightening part is that their motive seems to be solely for monetary reasons. Helsing posted:Also lol I sound like such a nutcase right now Nah, you're good.
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Helsing posted:Also lol I sound like such a nutcase right now Alienwarehouse posted:Nah, you're good. yeah you're in a conspiracy thread talking about one of the most well known conspiracies in our nation's history. plus it's interesting to read about while I'm sitting at working waiting for the day to end.
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Alienwarehouse posted:I really believe that the CIA is indisputably the most dangerous organization on the planet. They are the masters at starting wars, overthrowing governments, and disinformation campaigns. The most frightening part is that their motive seems to be solely for monetary reasons. i would never call the cia the masters of anything but loving up, especially if you're read legacy of ashes speaking of which https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...ory-of-cia.html 
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Helsing posted:Also lol I sound like such a nutcase right now it was really interesting to me because i knew there were conspiracy theories but definitely never put much thought into them since the grassy knoll always comes up
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Helsing posted:Also lol I sound like such a nutcase right now No, that was a really good post, thanks for the reply
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the far-right's explosive growth over the last decade is due to secret, long-surpressed meme technology developed by the third reich's mad social scientists in their efforts to weaponize Carl Jung's research into the collective unconscious.
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more seriously, putin faked the 1999 apartment bombings to galvanize popular support on the eve of the presidential elections
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There are no lizard people, it is humans doing all of this.
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4chan accidentally learned chaos magick and hosed up reality with memes and may have invoked an ancient frog god to lead us into the new Aaron of Weird rear end Fake Dystopian bullshit.
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Helsing posted:Interesting stuff What about the day of the assassination itself? I remember reading somewhere that, contrary to most theories, Oswald was quite capable of pulling off the shots himself without a second or third gunmen.
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george w. "dubya" bush, jr., ignored evidence that 9/11 was going to happen because he was too blitzed out on cocaine to care
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Fallen Hamprince posted:more seriously, putin faked the 1999 apartment bombings to galvanize popular support on the eve of the presidential elections my conspiracy is ISI knew where bin laden was more or less the whole time both before and after 9/11
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Baloogan posted:the real conspiracy is that the planet is very poorly run
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if kennedy being anti-war in the cold war was enough to blow his brains out why the gently caress hasn't the cia killed our bing bong dumbass goblin for a president before he does some poo poo a lot worse than losing raytheon some money. makes me wonder, if there was a serious incoming candidate that was 100% staunchly "I will leave the middle east and tax all income above 1 billion at 100% no exceptions", how long would it take for them to mysteriously die
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Scionix posted:if kennedy being anti-war in the cold war was enough to blow his brains out why the gently caress hasn't the cia killed our bing bong dumbass goblin for a president before he does some poo poo a lot worse than losing raytheon some money. mulder purged that generation of cia guys and the new lot dont have the stomach for it
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Scionix posted:if kennedy being anti-war in the cold war was enough to blow his brains out why the gently caress hasn't the cia killed our bing bong dumbass goblin for a president before he does some poo poo a lot worse than losing raytheon some money. Comedy option they never become president because they get assassinated much earlier on
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James II had Charles II killed by means of wormwood poisoning; the Popish Plot was real!
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Scionix posted:if kennedy being anti-war in the cold war was enough to blow his brains out why the gently caress hasn't the cia killed our bing bong dumbass goblin for a president before he does some poo poo a lot worse than losing raytheon some money. Like, lol if you seriously think the CIA is concerned about a renewed cold war, it's a loving bonanza for them.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Since I'm Jewish, all of them are in fact my conspiracies it did, and it's called the Iran contra controversy, and Reagan is a study in presidential composure and feigned remorse; it is an absolute master class in public decorum from which trump should take notes
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