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MythosDragon posted:The tonal shifts are in the game itself, even when not comparing it to 3 and 4. I'd give examples, but I'm pretty sure that would be spoilers, right? Ah, so for you, it's less the tone it's going for and the manner with which it tries to get there, yes? Fair enough; emotional manipulation can be annoying when too blatant, and even if all storytelling is arguably manipulation, there is a way to do it that's much more graceful. Nor is it particularly fun to be presented immediately with hostility straight out the gate, but I went into this game knowing something of the essential plot and themes, and reasoned that this beginning section was a set-up for later catharsis, an expectation which so far hasn't let me down yet. I truly don't mind being directed to certain emotional states in service of a story or theme, even if those emotions aren't particularly fun, but that sort of touches on the whole "are games art?" discussion that I would prefer not to get into. But they certainly chose a direct way to do it by just throwing you off the deep end in negativity, and if that doesn't work for you, than it doesn't work. As for tonal shifts, I think I know at least a couple of which you mean, but I find those part and parcel to this series, and nothing I've seen has been a deal breaker thus far. (Bear in mind that I am a certified weirdo who's played through things like Pathologic and liked them, so take my opinion with that in mind.) Re Red: Oh don't worry, there's plenty of interpretations for all of those things in terms of what the color represents. Artistically speaking, I have to echo that one guy's praise of how the menu uses so much red (a primary color, and a bright red too) without it being unobtrusive. That's hard to do, and worthy of praise. Arist posted:I should also say I'm mostly playing Maaku at the start as someone trying to keep his head down, but if you're worried I'm not going to be defiant enough later I'll keep that in mind. There's a few great options I was absolutely going to pick, though, if you're worried about those. Oh, good, I'll look forward to it. And please, I'm not trying to backseat-LP here; do what you think is best, and don't pay too much attention to me, just sharing my thoughts. resurgam40 fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 19:44
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resurgam40 posted:Powering through this game myself (and yeah, I'm another guy who bought a PS4 for it) and if I can get tired of it, I haven't yet, so I'll join in the LPs when I can. This is a really good game, though, you should buy it if you can. I should also say I'm mostly playing Maaku at the start as someone trying to keep his head down, but if you're worried I'm not going to be defiant enough later I'll keep that in mind. There's a few great options I was absolutely going to pick, though, if you're worried about those.
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Apr 18, 2017 21:25
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Smash them together and the truth will reveal itself. OXYMORON
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Mzbundifund posted:What do the letters on their hats mean? E: f, b The question then becomes, "What does that mean in the context of the game?" which I'm sure we'll find in due time. Double May Care fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Haifisch posted:Smash them together and the truth will reveal itself. OXYMORON ...motherfucker I cannot believe I'm just now learning this Arist fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 21:32
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So, the principal is Wilson Fisk's stunt double. When does Totally Not Matt Murdock crash into the scene?
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I don't know about art, I failed that subject my entire life. But, Video Games are more than viable as a story telling medium, since that's always been about 90% of the reason I play games. I think adding a scene of friendship to the Opening before jumping into the Casino wouldve worked wonders for early game motivation, its not like the box art isnt right there. I don't think there's anything wrong with a story trying to induce you into a rage(12/3 P4.), but I do believe its a bad idea doing it before you're invested in the story. In case anyone managed to never watch Spiderman. 
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Keep in mind that the main song that's playing through most of this is this: https://clyp.it/qineekdi?token=2453080849491b386edc1df47e4ef287 Not exactly an anthem to rage, or any sort of passion really. If anything the story is cultivating a growing sense of disgruntlement or grudging acceptance, presumably with the intent of releasing it cathartically.
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geri_khan posted:Can confirm: Shibuya's a really nice recreation of the real place, and I loved the feeling you got of trying to find your way around the maze of a train station. Was talking to someone else about it and he commented that it was surprising there was no destination marker or anything: it really contributes to a feeling of being lost and anxious. I know Shibuya pretty well, and I'd call the game's version of it a superbly well-crafted distillation of the real place rather than a recreation. The station square (featuring the Hachiko statue and the famous crossing), which is the closest of the Shibuya areas to an actual recreation, is kind of amazing in that while playing the game I keep thinking "yeah, this is exactly what the place looks like in real life", but whenever I visit the actual location I'm amazed by how much larger it actually is and how many significant things are there that aren't in the game - the game takes the most prominent features of the area, mashes them together into a space that's probably about one fifth of the real location, and does it in such a way that fools the brain into thinking it's a completely faithful recreation. The other areas of Shibuya in the game (Central street, the station interior and the underground mall), are more like a composite of various real locations in the general area. I can recognize where much of the scenery comes from, but unlike the square I wouldn't mistake any of it for a faithful depiction of the real world.
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resurgam40 posted:I truly don't mind being directed to certain emotional states in service of a story or theme, even if those emotions aren't particularly fun, but that sort of touches on the whole "are games art?" discussion that I would prefer not to get into.
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resurgam40 posted:and P4's protagonist... well... was many things, Well, to be fair, in-game P4 Protagonist is a standard blank-slate guy. For the anime, both of them, he's basically being remote controlled by someone who is trying to 100% Persona 4 as efficiently as possible. Which is bold and hilarious at the same time.
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Just stopped played Persona 5 and I saw this thread. I think the universe is trying to tell me something. BTW Persona 5 is good and you should play it if haven't already. Godspeed Arist.
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Count Bleck posted:Well, to be fair, in-game P4 Protagonist is a standard blank-slate guy.
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resurgam40 posted:and P4's protagonist... well... was many things, but outside of a very specific plot point that would frankly make anyone's blood boil, "angry" wasn't particularly one of them. I really need to look through the entire anime now. That is some stellar voice acting and comedic timing.
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Mzbundifund posted:Sojiro is a bit of whiplash after the incredible Good Dad that was Dojima from P4, but so far he's real interesting. The stuff he's said to Maaku and the stuff he's done for Maaku don't quite line up. Unless you bought into the argument that Dojima was abusive (not physical abuse, just neglect) to his daughter.
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Dinictus posted:I really need to look through the entire anime now. That is some stellar voice acting and comedic timing. Johnny Yong Bosch always makes the best he can whenever Yu is allowed to talk. Just... stay away from the Golden Animation, the only good thing to come out of it was the song "Yin-Yang."
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Dinictus posted:I really need to look through the entire anime now. That is some stellar voice acting and comedic timing. JYB is a treasure and the de facto star of the show for the P4 anime.
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GoneRampant posted:Johnny Yong Bosch always makes the best he can whenever Yu is allowed to talk. Just... stay away from the Golden Animation, the only good thing to come out of it was the song "Yin-Yang." I'd PM you but you don't have platinum and I fear this veers too far off course from the P5 thread as it is. So I'll shut up about it if it does derail too much. But why so?
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I actually just got the P4 anime, though the fact that I insist on watching it in chronological order means I cant watch the dub. I think I watched a few eps the first time I played the game, but I know I didnt get far. Soon I'll spend 4 hours getting through 1 episode because sitting still long enough to watch any form of video is almost impossible. Dinictus posted:I'd PM you but you don't have platinum and I fear this veers too far off course from the P5 thread as it is. So I'll shut up about it if it does derail too much. But why so? The majority of the additional Golden content is slice of life and focused on Marie, its also rather as this forum puts it "Japan", so alot of people arnt fond of it apparently. Its not dubbed either, and even I'll admit to loving the P4 dub to death. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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mauman posted:Unless you bought into the argument that Dojima was abusive (not physical abuse, just neglect) to his daughter. I think abuse is a strong word, but after doing his S-link, there's no doubt to me that, despite wanting to do right by her, Dojima's priorities and general mental state were not great for parenting before Our Hero stepped in.
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Mzbundifund posted:Sojiro is a bit of whiplash after the incredible Good Dad that was Dojima from P4, but so far he's real interesting. The stuff he's said to Maaku and the stuff he's done for Maaku don't quite line up. Yeah, it seems like he's considerably more bark than bite, although I'm guessing that'll change if Our Hero really screws up.
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I'm probably gonna switch the music links over to the English names on iTunes instead of the weird names the Japanese release had. This might make it harder to search for some of the more incidental tracks on YouTube if you care about that. If you'd prefer I keep doing it the way I've been doing it, speak up now.
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Dinictus posted:I'd PM you but you don't have platinum and I fear this veers too far off course from the P5 thread as it is. So I'll shut up about it if it does derail too much. But why so? As has been mentioned, the Golden anime prioritized, obviously enough, content added in Golden, with the actual main story being pushed aside (Effectively, it expects you to have at least watched the original anime to know the main plot and character arcs of the main characters). However, while the original anime got over two dozen episodes, Golden attempts to do the same... in twelve, meaning that most of the original game including the Shadow Selves and dungeons are heavily compressed. It's comparable to a New Game + run, with Margaret even saying that Yu is "seeing a familiar landscape from a different viewpoint". This primarily meant that a lot of focus was Adachi and Marie's Social Links, and while Adachi is a popular character and the Golden animation gave him a bit of spotlight, Marie has a very split fanbase, and a lot of her detractors felt that Marie was given too much screentime and that she overshadowed the Investigation Team. It's fine if you like Marie, but you kind of need to watch it concurrently with the original anime to make sense of the story.
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Dinictus posted:I really need to look through the entire anime now. That is some stellar voice acting and comedic timing. It's probably the best form to experience the story of P4, I would say, if you haven't played it. (Be warned, it amplifies everything, warts and all... and the warts are warty.) But yeah, how 'bout that P5, huh? Still good, and stylish.
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GoneRampant posted:This primarily meant that a lot of focus was Adachi and Marie's Social Links, and while Adachi is a popular character and the Golden animation gave him a bit of spotlight, Marie has a very split fanbase, and a lot of her detractors felt that Marie was given too much screentime and that she overshadowed the Investigation Team. It's fine if you like Marie, but you kind of need to watch it concurrently with the original anime to make sense of the story.
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I never liked the Persona 4 anime's take on the protagonist, but even ignoring that it's not very good outside of a handful of episodes. I was a P4 superfan and I never even bothered to finish the anime.
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JT Jag posted:I couldn't get into Golden for this reason, but I've started thinking about re-watching the original series. Is there a recommended viewing order if you want to intermix episodes from both series? Good News! I spent hours looking for this exact thing a few months ago. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/persona4golden/comments/354n7j/p4_and_p4g_animated_simultaneous_viewing_guide/ Its kind of spergy, so my plan is to just finish entire eps with it rather than skip content and stop mid ep.
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The P4 animation summer vacation was really nice. I am really looking forward to the free time sessions in P5.
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I personally like the new attendants to the Velvet Room, they show a great deal more personality than the last two. Granted, I just finished the first major dungeon (boss wasn't-that- hard, granted, more a tutorial boss than anything) and I rather like the new direction they went with this game. Igor's new English VA is still a little off putting, I really liked his P3 and P4 VA, but I think I'm getting used to it. Shame about his VA in japan though, but I understand the change.
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Arist posted:I never liked the Persona 4 anime's take on the protagonist, but even ignoring that it's not very good outside of a handful of episodes. I was a P4 superfan and I never even bothered to finish the anime. I did like the Shadow Mitsuo boss fight episode because the protag actually used multiple personas that time. But yeah, the anime was pretty much unneeded.
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Bobfly posted:I think abuse is a strong word, but after doing his S-link, there's no doubt to me that, despite wanting to do right by her, Dojima's priorities and general mental state were not great for parenting before Our Hero stepped in. I didn't say he was VERY abusive, but yeah Dojima wasn't as good of a dad as was implied earlier before Yu stepped in to help out. As for my choice of words, the word abuse wasn't to imply strength of such. I work in the health/hospice industry and I'm just going by the legal definition. Neglect is legally a form of abuse. Do note that I'm not implying that Dojima is a bad person. He's a good guy who just happens to be imperfect when it comes to his parenting. mauman fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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mauman posted:Do note that I'm not implying that Dojima is a bad person. He's a good guy who just happens to be imperfect when it comes to his parenting. I dunno... 
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Dojima's main problem was prioritising work over everything else, including his daughter. But, he's nice to you and he takes care of you. As for P5, everyone is like, "A criminal, behave yourself you good-for-nothing, not that it matters, because you're irredeemable" But coffee man is our new guardian. I'm sure he'll come around.
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Just watched this weeks Zero Punctuation, which is P5. I had to check outside to make sure the skies weren't blood red and seas boiling. He actually LIKED the game. Also, I remember fondly the himdaisy comics, but let's face it, that situation is exaggerated a bit 
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mauman posted:Just watched this weeks Zero Punctuation, which is P5. I mean he made a comparison to Mass Effect Andromeda so you could take it like he accepts it like a lesser of two evils. I'm fairly certain that man cannot enjoy anything.
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Count Bleck posted:I mean he made a comparison to Mass Effect Andromeda so you could take it like he accepts it like a lesser of two evils. Nah, he enjoys quite a few games. It's the fact that he enjoyed a non-paper mario JRPG is what got me surprised.
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Count Bleck posted:I mean he made a comparison to Mass Effect Andromeda so you could take it like he accepts it like a lesser of two evils. Off the top of my head, he gave favorable reviews to Silent Hill 2, Psychonauts, and Half-Life, and went out of his way to do an extremely quick Undertale review just so that he could list it as his top game of 2015 without violating his rule of only using games that he reviewed in his yearly top 10s.
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