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Holy poo poo, I didnt expect this, I assume I'm the guy that expressed the SSLP interest since I mentioned it in the request thread. Thanks for doing this, I cant put off playing this any longer if I was involved in inspiring this. Let's be Akira Kurusu together. Shoutout to Prota Gonist cuz I love that joke. Edit: Whats your general style going to be? Informative, bad jokes, narrative? MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Apr 14, 2017 |
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AweStriker posted:This has nothing to do with crimes. gently caress yeah, Wales, best place on earth. I'm a huge, huge fan of all things Welsh.
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I'm not ashamed that I didnt get the joke till just now due to the fact that I've never heard this dude's name before.
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I just started myself and put 3 hours in while examine everything so 4/11 is over. Its the exact opposite of the happy go lucky vibe of 4, I cant say I'm a fan. Edit: I'm gonna let you all laugh at me. Due to the fact that Save is below Load, I accidentally just overwrite half of my 3 hours by checking out a different dialogue option. Go on, I deserve it. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Apr 14, 2017 |
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Yeah..... Its not the kind of mood whiplash that feels natural either. I finished the first arc yesterday, and just jesus. It's going for a dark vibe in a way that just doesnt fit the series if you ask me, and its pretty drat jarring for the entire first week of the game and slowly relaxes when it stops the plot and focuses a bit on characters, its probably going to shift right back at the start of the next arc and I'm dreading it. I examined any and everything I possibly could, it added several hours to my playtime, I ADORE flavor text. For some reason I focused a ton on these two, I think its the ponytail. Dog loving girl is in my top 5 characters right now. On the topic of what actually happened to us, I've read a few manga that have similar things basically like Akumetsu(its really good, it handles joking and being a political commentary or whatever much better than P5), so It didnt bother me too much, but the game makes 50% of the dialogue about people bringing it up constantly till you get freedom, and it just drove me loving crazy, me a person who adamantly adheres to all dialogue is good dialogue. Artix, can you make sure to check out the TV in the cafe on 4/21? I missed that day and as far as I can tell it changes every day. Edit: I have one little bit of Trivia I can share about the game. Apparently the original plan was for us to live with Sae, and somehow or another that was the one detail I knew about the game before starting so I was immensely disappointed when suddenly I was adopted by an old man instead of her. He grew on me by the end of the next update though, so its good now. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Arist posted:I'll definitely try to check it out or my name isn't Artix I'm so sorry, Arist. I'm bad with names in general.
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Haifisch posted:P4 was already huge mood whiplash from 3, since it was a shitload cheerier throughout(even the way you summoned personas went from 'commit metaphorical suicide' to 'crush a card or something idk') & you had actual friendships with your entire team. I dont disagree, but 3 and 4 are different games. 5 mood whiplashes at itself and makes 3 look cheery when its in its dark mode.
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JT Jag posted:He also has running themes in his conversational options which make it easy to derive a personality from him beyond the "choose your own" personality that previous Persona games had. Tanaka. Persona basically has 10 hour story mode and then 10 hour gameplay mode back and forth. Its not really ideal, but at the very least it motivates me past the gameplay when its getting stale. I cant really say 5 follows the same formula yet, but its not too far off. On the topic of Time, P4 was 2011, and I'm pretty sure I read that P5 calendar matches 2016. But now its a megaman spinoff for some reason and they dont want to tell you when we get personal AI butlers. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Apr 16, 2017 |
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Arist posted:It does and I'll probably go into a few of the connections but those are a long ways off. Why wait, theres proof in the very next update! "Saphire" and ..... I forgot the other one but it involved the word "High Kick"
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Arist posted:I didn't discover Sapphire until the very end of the game and didn't realize it popped up earlier. I'm only 15 hours into the game, I have no clue what happens. I just spent hours examining everything possible at every chance and that was one of the very first things I saw in the area. Sure I won't talk about about things, let me just ask one thing though. I could've been vaguer than that? Cuz I was patting myself on the back thinking I finally understood what the hell was considered a spoiler, and now I'm disappointed. Oh yeah, I'm the type that just plain doesnt understand the concept of spoilers really, so if I say something tell me and I'll edit it out ASAP.
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Oh hey perfect timing. I've been replaying Persona 4 the past few months(Endgame now) and read the entirety of both LP threads because I'm insane, and Chie's social link made me think of something. Specifically the Rank 9 event, her justice tendencies have her step out and protect someone, and they proceed to threaten her and her family and friends, but she dissolves the situation by willingly putting herself in harm's way saying they can do whatever to her, and then just back off. Its a nice parallel to this game where if the protag tried anything like that he'd get killed. Naoto's social link has a similar little parallel with the phantom thief being a joke rather than super serious business TM. I'm playing in Japanese and I just melt into a puddle when I listen to deep booming thunder voice Igor. Also Justine is nice, screw the other one though, and hopefully I'm not mixing them up again. I expected a Kingpin joke referring to the Principal. The only issue with playing in Japanese is that the newscaster is not subtitled for some unfathomable reason and she's not speaking the 1% of Japanese I understand. I keep expecting Kawakami teacher to reveal herself to be a martial arts god at some point. I'd have fallen in love with Sojiro there myself if I wasnt drowning in negativity at that point, the breakfast scene in the morning really warmed me up to him though. I should really get around to trying Dancing All Night so I actually know anything about Kanami. I think part of why I paid so much attention to those 2 random girls in that other Anime Movie is because they just look so detailed compared to the rest of the random NPCs in the scenes. My first impression of Persona 5 was rejoicing at Ann being so attractive, because as much as everyone in P3 and P4 grew on me, I never really thought any of the girls were super attractive. I too am a fan of the dipshit options, which is kind of sad cuz it means I'm not seeing the other dialogue trees here. Part of the reason Vulgar Boy's reaction was understated is that you really can just walk into 2 different kinds of castles in Japan. Like Europe they still have standing medieval castles in places like Kyoto's Nijou Castle, and uh...... Love Hotel's can get very strange and fancy in terms of architecture, poo poo's weird man. If my stupid commentary is annoying, I'll tone it down or stop. Its just fun to actually talk about games, and I assume alot of interest to talk about the actual updates will help keep your motivation high. Edit: A link to castles just lying around Tokyo: https://allabout-japan.com/en/article/1311/ MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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RareAcumen posted:Are those pants about to turn out to be dress code? The MC having a unique outfit is one thing, but now he's not the only person wearing plaid. RPG School Uniforms like their plaid.
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The tonal shifts are in the game itself, even when not comparing it to 3 and 4. I'd give examples, but I'm pretty sure that would be spoilers, right? And while its apparently going for a tone of realism, since to a small extent the way people are reacting to you is gonna happen, its pushing it too far back into fiction and not in the good funny way, its specifically trying to piss you off, and as far as I'm concerned that's a terrible way to start a story, don't do that until after you get the moral support ready. Luckily I'm invested enough in the series and talking mechanics in general or I would've put it down for at least a month. I didn't feel much fun at all from the game until that curry scene we just saw, and thats about 2 and a half hours in. As my favorite color, I associate the color Red with more positive things like laughter and justice over anger. I wont deny a lot of its my personal preference making me overly critical on it though, and it definitely loosens up in a few hours. I'm just hoping it doesn't tighten up again. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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I don't know about art, I failed that subject my entire life. But, Video Games are more than viable as a story telling medium, since that's always been about 90% of the reason I play games. I think adding a scene of friendship to the Opening before jumping into the Casino wouldve worked wonders for early game motivation, its not like the box art isnt right there. I don't think there's anything wrong with a story trying to induce you into a rage(12/3 P4.), but I do believe its a bad idea doing it before you're invested in the story. In case anyone managed to never watch Spiderman. 
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I actually just got the P4 anime, though the fact that I insist on watching it in chronological order means I cant watch the dub. I think I watched a few eps the first time I played the game, but I know I didnt get far. Soon I'll spend 4 hours getting through 1 episode because sitting still long enough to watch any form of video is almost impossible. Dinictus posted:I'd PM you but you don't have platinum and I fear this veers too far off course from the P5 thread as it is. So I'll shut up about it if it does derail too much. But why so? The majority of the additional Golden content is slice of life and focused on Marie, its also rather as this forum puts it "Japan", so alot of people arnt fond of it apparently. Its not dubbed either, and even I'll admit to loving the P4 dub to death. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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JT Jag posted:I couldn't get into Golden for this reason, but I've started thinking about re-watching the original series. Is there a recommended viewing order if you want to intermix episodes from both series? Good News! I spent hours looking for this exact thing a few months ago. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/persona4golden/comments/354n7j/p4_and_p4g_animated_simultaneous_viewing_guide/ Its kind of spergy, so my plan is to just finish entire eps with it rather than skip content and stop mid ep.
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Goatee Coffee is probably the only one who actually knows the truth. He's probably been briefed on both sides and is using our actions to judge whats real. Everyone else is hearing bad sources/isnt really interested in anything but persecuting him in the first place, yknow the lovely side of human nature. The law is corrupt the world over, if someone with money and influence wants you hosed, you get hosed. Its not really a cultural difference, but it is a Japan flavored version. Its also not that unrealistic, but the game is doing everything it can to anger you which pushes it back to cartoony, not that theres actually a way to do this kind of plot tastefully. The real question is where the protag lived, because he moved to Tokyo, chances are you wouldnt run into anyone like that outside of Tokyo. Edit: If we keep this up we might sap all of Arist's motivation, so let's try to focus on the positive parts of the game for discussion till we get out of the 7 hour prologue, yeah? MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Huh, I finally know why Ryuji knows we're second years, I was confused because I didn't notice any kind of color coded accessory , but that 2 pin is probably a drat good indicator. Jun Fukuyama gives a great performance as Arsene there. On another note, I keep on hearing Lelouch every time I save and it makes me laugh a bit. The face Maaku makes as he bursts into flame is great. Really just everything about this sequence was my favorite part of the game so far, its very flashy and is the first moment you feel like youre not being shat on. This dungeon is just full of great little dialogue if you take the time to examine everything, I was in here for an entire hour. This game made me even less of a fan of the wild card nonsense by giving dialogue to the Persona's and making me fall in love just to never hear their voices again. I'd trade just about anything in this game just to make the Persona's themselves frequent characters.
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Deep Booming Thunder Voice Eargasm can be generic now? Or was a different voice actor in the OVA.
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Anything we could say about Morgana is considered spoilers right? Isnt that why we're not talking about him?
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I have no dislike for Morgana, but he'll probably be my least favorite party member forever. Mainly because he already has a Persona and I doubt he'll ever get a super snazzy awakening like everyone else. Also his name bothers me because Im a huge Arthurian buff and well Morgana Le Fay.
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I dont know if theres a tropey name, but Power Avatars are a relatively common power system. Its also more common(and factually better) for them to have their own personality and be sentient to a degree.
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Persona calender nonsense is unique if thats what you mean, the closest you can get is straight dating sims. I see no similarites between Persona and Cold Steel. Other than you know being RPGs. Edit: they do have one major similarity; rather obvious shifts in mode between story and gameplay. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Apr 25, 2017 |
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Now that I'm on my computer I can address this better. If you meant the Calendar aspect of time management, I think you're out of luck. Persona is completely unique in such a fleshed out time management aspect combined with a fully functioning RPG to my knowledge. Closest you get is Rune Factory and its parent, Harvest Moon. I find it horrifically stressful as a completionist that never replays, so I'm thankful for that. If you mean Talking Mechanics, Persona is neither the first nor the best at them. Not entirely sure what started them, but I'll say Private Actions in Star Ocean were the first that I know of. And it shows because jesus trying to navigate that mess and being so easy to miss tons of them or even possibly get through the games seeing none of them. Off the top of my head, some series that use them: Exa Pico Talk Topics (Ar Tonelico and Ar Nosurge) Luminous Arc Intermissions(Stella Glow goes here) Tales of Skits Dragon Quest Party Chat(Which is also in Bravely) Fire Emblem Supports Rune Factory Characters Requests(Just 3, somehow or another 4 thought removing the most charming feature was a good idea) Dangan Ronpa had one that I cant for the life of me remember the name of. Trails of Cold Steel Bonding If you push the definition, I'd say Suikoden's castle dialogue counts. Other than Dangan Ronpa, I can wholeheartedly recommend all of these as Paragons of RPGness unless you have a low tolerance for Japan, in that case skip Exa Pico. Dangan Ronpa is an ADV, its not bad in anyway but to the average person they wouldnt enjoy it much and I'm personally distasteful of the killing game plot genre so I'm a bit biased against it. I stand by Talking Mechanics as being the absolute best game mechanic to ever be invented because it lets you get more story at the cost of absolutely nothing else, and its even the best type of story, Character-focused! If anyone wants me to, I can look though all my games to kickstart my memories, but I figured this was already big enough.
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FractalSandwich posted:Somebody's never heard of Bistro Cupid. I assure you, I know every single thing about every single obscure Xbox title Microsoft used to try to get a foothold in Japan. And by everything I mean, what the hell is this game, I cant find anything past the box art.
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Honestly just get a PS4 if you like RPGs. The PS3 finally stopped making GBS threads em out and no matter how well the switch ends up doing, I dont see it matching the PS4 in either quantity or quality. Also get a Vita for the same reason, seriously Im one great game away from considering the Vita a better console than the PS2, and Utawarerumono is coming out in a month. I like Ryuji, but the game hasn't had any real broship scenes. Heh ship.
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An important detail is that every single one of these has a lovingly animated 3D model. Its really nice and makes even the weird and ugly ones fun to look at usually. Also no 2D portraits for them anymore gets rid of the weird clashing of styles, then again I dislike Kanekos art a decent amount so thats probably a minus for others. I cant wait to see Mara and the rest of the chick Personas after Succubus looked so good.
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Night10194 posted:So if I'm getting what we've seen so far, the conceit of this game is that you're mystical robbers who invade the mental castles of assholes and then rummage through their secrets to expose their hypocrisy and villainy to the real world? Is that what's going on here? You forgot the shonen staple of, beating their soul body till they turn over a new leaf. Hooray character reforming violence! I assume it was a purposeful twist on that joke rather than a strange result of being exactly that. Then again Adachis ultimate fate... MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Apr 26, 2017 |
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, Shiho is the best. Shes the only person whos just straight up, "I hope Protag is okay" and she immediately became my favorite character, so obviously the next few hours got me. Anns Hair is 2nd best character.
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I completely disagree on the intro talk. Nothing helps an RPG kick off better than a strong extremely story focused intro, the vast majority of the best RPGs have em. And while this gane still counts, it desperately needed some slice of life stuff here to ease you in, if it wasnt for Shiho I probably wouldve stopped playing on a bad note for a while rather than finish the first arc and wait for the lp in an attempt to not be able to spoil things cuz seriously I have no clue. And maybe a more efficient calender. Edit: Pretty sure both the old and new tarot decks are actual decks being referenced if not copied. MythosDragon fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Apr 28, 2017 |
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I'm a huge Goetia fan considering my absolute favorite series in existence heavily uses it as inspiration and I am extremely bitter at all times when Beezlebub gets used instead of Bael. Seriously there are things that specifically use the Goetia and then replace Bael with Beezlebub. Also none of my favorites get used in this series so its all a moot point. 0/10.
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drat Ive been busy. Im highly disappointed in the lack of Shiho Love for being the first person to just show care and concern for another without prompt. That one sceme is all it took to be the best character. So obviously I hated mophead twice as much as the game wanted. Also this is alot farther than the first hour, I think even without examining and talking to everyone this would be 3 hours.
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Oh hey something I have an opinion on. Hard Difficulties need to do 3 things. 1. Reward you, more cash, more exp, better drop rates, maybe a game unique feature, Atleast one of these. And for the love of the gods, dont lower one of the others, thats not a reward. 2. Go nowhere near oneshots from normal attacks, nothing takes the fun out of something like dying before you even know it, especially in action type gameplay with AI party members. 3. Not lock content behind it, its so much suffering to have play the entire game on hard to access the hard only post game that has story contebt and things at level 200 when you just broke 100.
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vdate posted:I'm not sure you fully understand the meaning of 'hard mode'. I'm not saying they should lower drop/xp/money returns either, that mostly just seems tedious, but giving you more of that stuff seems like it renders 'hard mode' largely pointless. It's there for people who want the game to be tougher. Asking them to do more with fewer resources might be a bad idea (inasmuch as it just encourages mindless grinding), but asking them to do more with the same resources is what hard modes are generally all about. Also, asking for a unique gameplay feature in hard mode and then complaining about locking content behind a hard mode seems like a contradiction in terms. High Risk, High Return. If youre playing hard mode, you should be rewarded for doing so in some way otherwise it really can be interpreted as some form of masochism, and that doesnt work for me at all. The unique game feature exists independent of hard mode but its one of the things that rewards for playing on hard mode can be applied to. Examples: Bonus EXP tends to be higher in hard modes when present. Point Systems that it makes sense to give you more points on hard. Crafting Systems that give you better or more drops on hard, since you'd actually use them on hard. Very few of the discussions since I last checked the thread have actually been pertinent to P5 after the first few posts, mine is alot more so and its definitely pertinent to the subject of hard modes, which are relevant to a pretty sizable majority of games. You did alot more for taking the subject off P5 by saying that if you ask me. Arist posted:I'm going to spend it all on lotto tickets just like in real life I keep buying the lottery, so same. For some reason I actually really like gambling in games but would never actually touch it in real life. Probably the fact that it would take some serious trying to ruin my life over it. Hobgoblin2099 posted:Yes, that certainly would have been unbearable. You shouldve used the face. Just to not quote again, pretty sure MC's "get out of my house, you troublemaker" parents, just kind of shipped him off to the first person that said yes. I think it said he was like "a friend of a friend" or something. Pretty sure it was the scene where we first met him.
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Haifisch posted:Dredging up "wait, the tool making has multiple tabs discussion" sort of: God damnit. I thought I got all the flavor text, thanks. Learn from LoH damnit, give me obvious cues for when NPCs change dialogue.
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The concept of spoilers pisses me off to no end. Its not about not telling people things or something like that, its specifically about being told things ruining the entire experience which is complete bullshit, it'd have to be a lovely experience you wouldn't enjoy in the first place if you cant enjoy it just by knowing something about it. We should trash the entire concept and get a new one that isnt innately insulting to stories. Just follow common decency, if someone asks you nicely not to say things in a public space, dont. If someone yells and insults you, feel free to ignore them till someone asks decently. Also since this is Arist's thread, follow his rules at all times. Speaking of, Arist, might want to add a policy section to OP to curb any arguments about this. Speaking of people that actually make the games, I wonder if any of the Career Soft people that Atlus ate worked on this. Career soft was great.
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frajaq posted:Oh god time-limited missions and you need to plan in advance what you do in each day-ARGGHH yeah I don't think I would handle this game well with my typical OCD in RPGs where I want to do everything in a single playthrough I take this to an unhealthy extreme and its honestly not that bad in persona. Follow a guide and if you veer off at all, its actually pretty easy to get back to form because the guide will eventually tell you to do the thing you did instead so just replace it with what you are behind on. orenronen posted:The Japanese strategy guide has an appendix with two day-by-day guides: one for maxing all the confidants on a first playthrough (and, as a bonus, getting all decorations for your room), and then, with a prerequisite of max social stats and a recommendation of lots of leftover money and as much of the compendium already unlocked as possible, a day-by-day guide for platinuming the game on the second run. This includes such things as reading all books, watching all movies and DVDs, playing all retro-games to completion, having all map spots and seeing every study and day-off events with everyone. I miss guidebooks, its a special experienxe to play alongside one. Plus more reading.
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Haifisch posted:It even hides her name, since we don't know it yet. Id say 4 is much more lenient. Theres a ton of things to do in 5, and going around randomly seeing everything would majorly drain your time.
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