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The one thing that disappoints me about Arsene's awakening is that it doesn't have Maaku whispering the traditional "Per... so... na..." as the one thing he says out loud all game. Other than that it fuckin' rules.
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2017 22:12 |
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# ¿ May 3, 2024 05:41 |
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Junpei posted:Anne isn't good? One of her endgame support skills (you know the one). Your argument is invalid. I'm with the OP on Ann, her costume just feels out of place both because it's oversexualized for no reason and because (unlike every other party member) she actively seems to dislike it, as we see here. I guess you could make the argument that Ann sees the "spirit of rebellion" as a sexy femme fatale, but I feel like that could have been portrayed as something other than a skin-tight bodysuit with a boob window. Also there's a tail. Why is there a tail? Gameplay-wise her speed isn't great, so most battles are over by the time you get to her. It also doesn't help that she basically has no options for damage outside of fire, so she's completely neutered if an enemy blocks it.
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# ¿ May 8, 2017 23:44 |
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Arist posted:The unlocked chests are definitely set, the locked ones might be random but I doubt it. I have no idea what's in any of the other locked chests for the record.
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# ¿ May 19, 2017 23:07 |
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GhostStalker posted:There's always the unlucky Hama or Mudo spell taking Joker out to worry about.
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# ¿ May 26, 2017 19:19 |
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Personally I'll take Morgana's little-kid crush on Ann over Teddie's creeping on everything female any day.
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# ¿ Jun 1, 2017 21:19 |
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Sojiro's smug little grin is absolutely perfect for this line, I love it.
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# ¿ Jun 8, 2017 20:23 |
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Just FYI to the thread, you probably shouldn't suggest names that start with "The" because the script has multiple instances of stuff like "that's worthy of the The Phantoms name!" I was going to suggest JusticeLeague because of the Joker and Maaku, but that's one letter too long. If there's any way to shorten it without looking stupid, that's my vote.
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# ¿ Jun 15, 2017 20:40 |
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Rainuwastaken posted:Lucky Punch is absolutely bananas and got me so many shadow negotiations without even trying for elements. Once I realized how ridiculous it was, Morgana became my best friend for the whole game.
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# ¿ Jul 11, 2017 22:14 |
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Rainuwastaken posted:I could have sworn the game already let Ryuji drop the F-bomb, but I guess I was mistaken? His love affair with "eff" is pretty adorable, though.
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# ¿ Jul 17, 2017 21:03 |
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The audio for "The Cake Knight Rises" has to be heard to be believed. The voice actors are going full ham on every sentence and it's incredible Really all of the movies have some of the best voice work in the game, but I don't think anything tops "You're just a psychopath who bakes cakes for money!" in a terrible raspy Batman voice.
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# ¿ Aug 11, 2017 00:08 |
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idhrendur posted:Meanwhile I'm distracted by the fact that the chess moves on the TV are completely nonsensical. That's not chess notation, and even if it were the board is 8x8, so 9-5 would be off the board entirely. Really easy to miss though. When are you ever looking at the telops anyway?
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2017 00:04 |
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Junpei posted:Actually, I think Sojiro leaves early the days you invite Kawakami over. 1. What's happening here essentially amounts to blackmail. Maaku may be paying money, but he now has the power to ruin Kawakami's life at any time if she doesn't do things for him. 2. Even if nothing explicitly sexual happens, Maaku is paying a woman twice his age to play-act being entirely submissive to him. 3. And oh yeah, there's the loving sexual undertones with a woman twice his age, whom he sees nearly every day in a public setting, and who already has a professional relationship with him that isn't supposed to be hosed with. Do not even try to defend this. Also, stop posting spoilers.
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2017 23:19 |
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Rogue 7 posted:Ryuji's never been anything but cool towards Ann Arist posted:
As an aside, Arist, is there any chance you could maybe break up the OP's table of contents a bit, maybe by dungeon? Finding a specific event is hard as poo poo.
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# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 20:07 |
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Sae is almost certainly stressed to the breaking point by her job, but her outburst basically comes out of nowhere. They could have at least had Sae brushing Makoto off once or twice in that scene before finally snapping because Makoto won't stop talking about the Phantom Thieves.
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2017 19:03 |
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bman in 2288 posted:Also, looking at that blackmail picture, it's very obvious that the kids are out of place there. Are you telling me that no one is going to question if the gang was taken here against their will? The rest of the gang could maybe wiggle out of it, but Maaku especially is absolutely hosed if the pictures come out.
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2017 21:14 |
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Stroth posted:Really? You're just going to completely ignore the fact that there's been a dude sitting right behind Maaku all this time? Where he can see him talking with Morgana and reading all his #Millenials texts every day? That man is the true hero of this game.
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# ¿ Oct 19, 2017 17:32 |
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I think people need to remember several things about Sae: 1. She is a woman in an extremely patriarchal society, so she already needs to be five times as good as the men around her to get and keep her job 2. She is a woman in a job where women are basically unheard of, which tends to make the men in her job feel extremely fragile and search for ways to legitimately get rid of her 3. She is in a job where her ability to take better cases and prove her worth is limited by her ability to solve the cases already in front of her, and in the eyes of her bosses (who already don't like her and would love to see her fail) she basically just faceplanted 4. She is in a job where if you aren't getting promoted, you're getting fired 5. She has a dependent going through an extremely stressful and important part of her life which she does not want to disrupt, and she lives in a society where she cannot simply "get another job" if she loses hers Now, does that justify going off on Makoto like she has? I don't think so, but anyone looking at Sae and thinking "ugh she just wants a promotion, why doesn't she just wait for another chance " does not appreciate the situation that she is in.
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# ¿ Oct 29, 2017 19:55 |
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Omobono posted:Except that my point was that with Kaneshiro turned witness she now has an even better opportunity for promotion than what she had before our intervention. If she doesn't recognize it she's an idiot and if her boss stole her investigation (and slam dunk promotion opportunity) to give it to his father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate that's not our fault.
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# ¿ Oct 29, 2017 21:42 |
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Kal-L posted:I really hope that the intent in the original was that the guy was taking money from the fund, because if not it makes Ohya a pretty lovely person.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2018 21:27 |
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Akechi talking about his mother is seriously one of the most events in the entire Persona series. It's just so completely out of left field.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2018 20:27 |
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Junpei posted:...well, they can't hire bloody teenagers to animate this! Closed-Down Pizza Parlor posted:it's also way more harmless than y'all are making it out to be There's also more depressing attitudes towards women coming up later in the trip but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2018 07:00 |
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So the boys spend their day at the beach cornering women who aren't interested in them, and then try to push them into sexual encounters. This is played as being cool and good and a perfectly normal thing to do. Then the boys are cornered by two men that they aren't interested in who try to push them into sexual encounters. This is played as being horrifying. It's almost as though there is some connection between the above two things that the boys should learn TheOneAndOnlyT fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Feb 6, 2018 |
# ¿ Feb 6, 2018 00:46 |
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HIJK posted:2) These animated cutscenes and other sexualized content in P5 can be dumb and silly but I feel like it's important to understand that they are a Japanese product from Japan and frankly while I'm not thrilled with them I think this thread's reaction to them is seriously over the top and it's because patriarchial Westerners keep projecting their patriarchial imperialist Western values on Japan which is Gross (tm) so stop doing that Also there's some serious irony in describing people who think women should be treated like human beings as "patriarchal".
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# ¿ Mar 16, 2018 20:11 |
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HIJK posted:An animated teenager goggling at other animated teenagers in swimsuits is seriously harmless HIJK posted:it does not hurt women to be noticed by their peers. It isn't dehumanizing and it's pretty weird to describe it that way, especially during the beach scene in question where Ann is completely chilled out about it and teases her friend.
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# ¿ Mar 16, 2018 21:35 |
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Haifisch posted:I can give you one big reason this stuff comes up more in discussions about Persona than other Japanese games/etc: The missteps on stuff like homophobic 'jokes' & how women are treated stand out a lot more in a series whose themes revolve around accepting your true self, and in the case of P5, rebelling against societal rules and norms that hurt the little guy. People really seem to be harping on how minor the beach animated scene is, and in all honesty, I don't disagree! If that had been the only instance of skeeviness in this game, I probably would have just rolled my eyes and moved on. But it's part of a pattern that Persona just never seems to have any desire to shake, and it's all the more noticeable because this very game contains an entire Palace filled to the brim with sexualized images of women that are used in a thematically appropriate way. Persona's developers have shown that they can treat women as more than just sex objects, so when they don't, the only possible conclusion is that they're choosing not to.
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# ¿ Mar 17, 2018 09:03 |
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resurgam40 posted:The biggest problem I have with the Persona series is not really the plotlines or the characters, but the interaction between these characters, or more appropriately the lack thereof. In all 3 (main) games, you have disparate individuals who are drawn together by the weird poo poo going on and become fast friends by the end of the game, but it seems I'm left with a question every time: when did that happen, exactly? But you're right that it'd be nice if we could get more minor run-ins with other characters to cement that these teenagers are friends who sometimes just hang out and do teenager things. One thing that I'd really like to see in P6 (in 2025 or thereabouts) would be having SLink characters show up throughout the world doing their own thing, and if you run into them they could add a bonus of SLink points to whatever activity they're doing. Maybe you go to the cafeteria on a rainy day to study, and on some days Makoto is there with the same idea, and you can choose to study together to get both the usual Knowledge points and an SLink point for Makoto. Maybe Yusuke turns out to have taken a job at the flower shop to deal with his constant broke-ness and you can get points with him if you work there on the same days. You wouldn't be able to advance the links this way, but it would help show that these characters exist for reasons other than the MC helping them through their issues. The other thing that would be really helpful in this regard would be to be able to run into the characters hanging out with each other, in contexts where you can pass by and say hi but can't actually join in. Maybe Ann and Makoto are out clothes shopping, or you run into Yusuke in the city trying to teach Ann how to draw. Maybe one of the characters shows up at Leblanc in the evening to chat with Futaba, but can't stick around because they have another errand in the area. Little things like that would help flesh out the characters and show that they have relationships outside of the MC, and make it much more believable when your party members decide that they're willing to die for each other when the plot gets dramatic. TheOneAndOnlyT fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 22, 2018 |
# ¿ Mar 22, 2018 20:17 |
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:What did Mishima ever do to you? There's a line between "awkward but sympathetic" and "jesus christ get away from me you creep" and Mishima crossed it a long time ago. I don't get why anyone thinks we should have any sympathy for him.
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# ¿ Apr 4, 2018 22:47 |
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Pretty sure Decarabia is still weak to Phys as a Persona. It's not to hard to get a Null/Repel Phys skill on it from prison or fusion, though.
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# ¿ Apr 11, 2018 19:31 |
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TheOneAndOnlyT: Attempt #1gmq posted:Not Futaba: she's your sister, you sicko. DON'T DATE YOUR LITTLE SISTER.
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# ¿ Apr 12, 2018 02:37 |
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You actually don't need to button mash to get mileage out of Bullet Hail. You can just hold the button down.
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# ¿ Apr 28, 2018 03:47 |
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Funky Valentine posted:The game's position is less All Cops Are Bad and more All lovely AdultsTM Who Abuse Their Authority Are Bad.
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# ¿ May 21, 2018 21:26 |
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Clarste posted:Given that the treasure is in the manager's office, she see herself as "the house," doesn't she?
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# ¿ Jun 24, 2018 23:40 |
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Kevos Setzer posted:The traitor is clearly Futaba. That's why she's so wiped out.
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# ¿ Aug 24, 2018 05:14 |
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The one thing I hate about this twist is that the game signposts it super-hard. I don't even mean in the sense that "well obviously Maaku wasn't gonna die, we wouldn't have much of a game otherwise". The problem is the skipped-over (by the game, not the LP) scenes of Maaku and Morgana talking about pancakes, and the two of them talking with Futaba about their plan. Arist just kind of papered over it by having LP-Maaku think "my memory is hazy", but in-game, when you get to those scenes in the lead-up to Sae's Palace, the game does this long, cloudy fade-to-white (with sound, even) that literally never appears anywhere else in the story. It's impossible not to notice, and it's basically like the game elbowing you in the ribs and saying "huh, sure is weird what just happened there, huh?? bet you'd like to know what's going on there, huh???" It might have worked better if there were more "hazy memory" moments over the course of the game, but the way the game does it makes it stick out like a sore thumb.
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# ¿ Aug 30, 2018 19:03 |
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Robindaybird posted:like at least the game didn't outright lie to us, but it'd be nice if we got more hints of them playing a counter plan, but again it's clear this game has gone through a lot of rewrites. quote:So tell me about <whatever>. It's the sort of thing that would get found and unravel the plot instantly in a screenshot LP format, but in-game you could have easily forgotten about the scene with Akechi's slip by then.
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# ¿ Sep 4, 2018 20:13 |
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Shido is the rapist guy Maaku beat up in the beginning right? From way back on 5/5 (with Arist's commentary): quote:
edit: beaten, but I have pictures!
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2018 19:35 |
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Materant posted:Considering how high-profile this has been compared to 4 and the events of both Arena games pretty much every Persona-user in Japan has got to be chomping at the bit to be let loose.
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# ¿ Sep 14, 2018 02:32 |
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Malah posted:Where the gently caress are Akechi's parents? His mother needs to smack the stupid out of him. quote:...Did I bother you? My apologies. Apparently, my mother was in a relationship with some low-life of a man…
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2018 04:19 |
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Malah posted:It's not even a battleship! What is this weak poo poo!? WHY?
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# ¿ Sep 18, 2018 02:31 |
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# ¿ May 3, 2024 05:41 |
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The Cleaner isn't a palette swap of Fuu-Ki, that's just a regular Ongyo-Ki. IIRC you can make him from a special fusion of the other three -Kis, though I might be mixing that up with another SMT game.
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# ¿ Nov 13, 2018 23:45 |