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Neo Rasa posted:Was Dawn of the Planet of the Apes good? I got the impression it took place in like an almost all of humanity is gone kind of place so does this new movie take place before it? I got bored with it honestly. I absolutely loved Rise (and the original Charlton Heston film) but Dawn seemed to degenerate into too many action sequences and lacked the emotional investments that Rise gave us. By the end it was just violence and fighting. I admit it was very well made but it failed to hold my interest.
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ConfusedUs posted:I feel like I didn't watch the same movie, because the final struggle vs Koba was really emotional. It was. I just thought the Caesar, senile father in law, apes in jail, and Franco's powerlessness as a guardian from Rise resonated a lot more. Dawn was good but had too much fighting for my taste. The previews for the new film have me a little concerned too to be honest. I like Woody Harrelson but I'm getting a weird overall vibe so far. Both movies have been good so I'll probably see the third one but I'm not expecting much for some reason. Also, great thread title, OP
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Was hoping this thread would get resurrected. The AV Club review confirmed basically what I expected from this film. http://www.avclub.com/review/ambitious-war-planet-apes-ends-surrendering-formul-257757 Seems like it's "good enough, but..." for the most part so I'll watch it eventually but will probably wait for Netflix so I can do a double feature with Skull Island and have ape night. I also think it's neat that Andy Serkis has basically created his own entire genre of acting and has been for like 15 years now; to the point that probably nobody even recognizes him walking down the street but he's famous as hell. I can't think of a parallel. Lon Cheney or Boris Karloff maybe but think about how long ago that was. FWIW, AV Club also has a retrospective of the original 4 films up that's worth a read if anyone is into it. http://www.avclub.com/article/original-planet-apes-series-became-more-daring-mov-257777 I only ever really cared for the original but when I was a kid, POTA poo poo was everywhere. Toys, cartoons, a TV show.... I remember being allowed to stay up late and watch the original Heston film and was blown away. Still holds up. I am old.
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Jul 12, 2017 16:19
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gently caress Maurice. He sucks. Nah, I'm just kidding. Maurice rules. Don't ban me Quanta posted:Everyone in VFX hates him for it because he takes credit away from the sculptors and animators who are responsible for the facial animation and performance of the CGI characters. There's nothing Serkis does that can't be done with hundreds of other (even amateur) actors. His performances with the head cameras and motion capture suit are purely for reference for the animators and sculptors, and the final product is heavily changed and polished by the animators and the director of the film. High-end VFX is still very cloak-and-dagger and difficult to understand for the layperson, so I suppose it's rife for an unblushing and devious self-promoter like Serkis to take credit for things he shouldn't. Is this really a thing? I never read about it. You have a link to an article or a story that talks about it? Seems to me Serkis must lend something to the process since he seems to be The Guy they use for this sort of poo poo, but I brought up Lon Cheney and Boris Karloff before and I know some "serious people" didn't really consider them to be "actors", so maybe there's a parallel. Seems like the sort of thing someone just winds up doing simply because they're willing and the results are good so they keep doing it but maybe Karloff and Cheney had a knack for it or something. Interesting subject.
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Jul 14, 2017 04:50
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Quanta posted:Stuff about Serkis and Caeser. Interesting post. I assume from your tone that you work in the industry and do this sort of work?
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Jul 15, 2017 01:18
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What was funny about that post?
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Jul 15, 2017 23:44
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blue squares posted:I thought this movie sucked. A lot. ^^^You might want to spoiler some of that^^^ I have to say, your review is an outlier for this film of all the ones I've read so far.
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Jul 22, 2017 04:50
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Steve2911 posted:drat this was good. Hot, hot drat. Batman? You guys have got me psyched to see this. I loved Rise and Dawn a little less but now I'm interested even though I've looked at spoilers.
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Jul 26, 2017 00:51
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:As a jew, I'm pretty surprised at how people see Caesar as christ and not Moses. Several people have posted about Caesar and the Moses comparison.
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Jul 27, 2017 18:07
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The next Apes movie is going to be super interesting, because there have been a billion postapoc movies but precious few about like, after the flood and actually building a society. What are they gonna crib from? It's pretty loving cool that they've built a trilogy of prequels and now find themselves having to top the original POTA, which is almost flawless and is still amazing. They'll have to take a different tract somehow and they've laid the groundwork so I'm confident they'll at least do better than Burton but how do you top the original? And what sort of stunner can you come up with for an ending? I'm drawing a blank and really glad I don't have to write it. Usually, they tend to remake original film and if it hits, work forwards and backwards from there. I honestly can't think of another remake/franchise where they started out with a prequel, let alone a trilogy, but it's quite novel and these films have been great. Very interested to see what they do.
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Jul 29, 2017 23:53
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think the thought of a fourth film is an interesting one. Honestly, up to this point, I feel like it's pretty easy to say that a version of the first film still happened as was depicted. The thing War introduces that really throws a wrench in this is the introduction of Nova and Cornelius in this film which somewhat suggests that we're supposed to assume that if or when the original story is retold, you won't get the big time jump. They don't have to change a whole lot with a remake but have to alter it enough to make it worth doing. I hope they avoid the stuff the original sequels did with all the underground mutants and poo poo. The foundation is already there (religion versus science, slavery, inequality, evolution, etc.) and they've done a great job setting it up with this trilogy. Everybody knows the Statue of Liberty reveal so they have to come up with something different but equally as provocative. I'm sort of drawing a blank. Maybe set it in Egypt or something and have Taylor find the Sphinx.
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Jul 30, 2017 17:24
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:The easy and obvious thing to do would be to flip the perspective. The Charlton Heston character is now a sympathetic villain rather than a rough hero. That's good. Apparently it wasn't that obvious to me but, yeah that's loving perfect.
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Jul 31, 2017 03:34
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Maybe the end reveal in the POTA remake will be a big giant statue of James Franco?
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Aug 1, 2017 19:05
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Timeless Appeal posted:Look son, if you told me when I was ten that in twenty years there would be a remake of Conquest of the Planet of the Apes and essentially a two part remake of Battle for the Planet of the Apes that are some of the best genre films to come out in the 21st century, I'd tell you that you were crazy. The mutants are sort of a sore thumb in the original series, but I think they actually would work pretty seamlessly into the current series. They would just be .001% of the human population who James Franco Disease worked as intended for. I think they also work as an interesting thematic extension to War. The mutants would be humans who have not only kept their faculties but had them increased only to lose their humanity regardless. What are you on about now? Your post was sort of all over the place. Are you lecturing me or making a personal wish list? Or both? I can't really tell. I liked someone else's idea of redoing the original with Taylor as the villain and viewing it through the lens of the apes' POV. That's an incredibly smart take on keeping it fresh while still paying homage and would render the remake as relevant to modern times as the original was to its own. Didn't someone mention that in Rise they set it up where a spacecraft got lost or something? Because I missed that if it was in there. I need to go see this movie but for tonight I got my ape fix by renting Kong: Skull Island. I've heard mixed opinions.
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Aug 2, 2017 01:31
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Timeless Appeal posted:I'm saying that the super intelligent humans actually make sense since the whole inciting incident of the first film was about a virus that' originally makes humans smarter. And they'd support War's themes about what makes us human. I guess if you HAD to introduce the mutant underground poo poo that's a good way to go and approach it and it makes sense but, man, did that ever gently caress up Beneath the Planet of the Apes and ruin the awesomeness of the original for me when I was a kid first watching it. I could do without it, especially for what looks like a full on remake of one of the best science fiction movies ever made. The remake is gonna be tough because the original still kicks so much rear end. They'll have to be really clever with it. They tried once and failed miserably. It's like trying to remake JAWS.
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girth brooks part 2 posted:James Franco almost certainly died of simian flu or was executed for crimes against humanity soon after the end of Rise. Tellin you guys. The Big Reveal of the remake will be James Franco's head on the Sphinx or as Christ the Redeemer.
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