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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Requesting thread name change to "Global War of Terror Year 16: Qatar Me Some Slack"
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FourLeaf posted:https://twitter.com/FPWellman/status/873331653959200782 im too cool to ever be sad about things but this is 
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Jun 11, 2017 03:11
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So here's what I've been thinking of recently: All 3 major players in this upcoming regional conflict, have strategies that are predicated on circumventing 'traditional' state-based diplomacy, to achieve foreign policy goals, through either adopting themselves, or supporting other groups, that have some blend of 'asymmetric' style warfare. But the asymmetric style warfare is not a general counter-punch to overcoming military disadvantages - it does not make a weak army beat a stronger army, all other things being equal. What it is, is a strategy predicated on your opponent either choosing or being forced to adopt the traditional rules-of-war, while you are not. All you're doing, is leveraging that differential, to both protect yourself and weaken your opponent. But what happens when both (or in this case, all 3 sides), have adopted and are comfortable with 'asymmetric' warfare? What happens when everyone is trying to fight the asymmetric battle, and no one is actually the guy following the rules? Like take that tweet: 65 villagers butchered because they got US aid. The people who did that thought they were justified. And hey, it worked right? They wanted to send a message, and well: message sent. Now imagine a regional conflict, where both sides have that mindset. What do you think, is gonna happen?
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Jun 11, 2017 07:14
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rudatron posted:So here's what I've been thinking of recently: Probably like cartel warfare in Mexico, but with more explosives.
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Jun 11, 2017 07:23
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Class Warcraft posted:Probably like cartel warfare in Mexico, but with more explosives. And less booze and drugs.
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Jun 11, 2017 07:35
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:And less booze and drugs. There is plenty of drugs in assymetric warfare https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30213709/captagon-the-drug-which-fuels-isis-and-turns-soldiers-into-superhumans/#page1
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Jun 11, 2017 09:36
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Asymmetric warfare typically isn't even characterized by "one side following the rules." Rules are for countries that are bound by international conventions, but most states can get away with just carrying out genocides in response to a guerilla threat because they have cover from those "rules honoring" powers - like how Indonesia murdered 500,000 "communists" with the help of gangster paramilitaries.
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Jun 11, 2017 10:41
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https://twitter.com/AfshinMolavi/status/874089527538851840 *extremely King Salman voice* All according to Keikaku
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Jun 13, 2017 10:17
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And congress wants to impose sanctions on iran (why?) which will kill obama's nuke deal with them, so I guess we'll be invading qatar/iran in a couple years
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Jun 13, 2017 15:09
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got any sevens posted:And congress wants to impose sanctions on iran (why?) which will kill obama's nuke deal with them, so I guess we'll be invading qatar/iran in a couple years looks like you answered your own question there boss
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Jun 13, 2017 15:16
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https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/876967853999628289 The cast of characters for the Iran War are gonna be way weirder than Iraq.
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Jun 20, 2017 03:11
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FourLeaf posted:https://twitter.com/FPWellman/status/873331653959200782 thats loving horrible. why do they even do it. i assume reprisals. loving hate wahabism, all it does is cause pain and suffering. Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/876967853999628289 i am still amused about how much of a piece of poo poo whore jones is. I guess he was always a right wing stooge. i like how he is half assly backing off the sandyhook stuff after the baseball shooting, probaly doesnt want one of the parents to feed him a bullet someday. eitherway. i am amused how much of trumps bullshit he believes. rudatron posted:So here's what I've been thinking of recently: oh its gonna be horrible. i assume its gonna be the Iran and its allies vs GCC with ISIS and Turkey and Israel in the which ever side(isis will just use it to carve up territory.) its gonna be middle east super war.
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Jun 20, 2017 04:24
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Turkey support Qatar, don't they?
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Jun 20, 2017 04:33
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/876967853999628289 lol even loving infowars is just a saudi propaganda outlet these days sad!!
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Jun 20, 2017 04:38
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It really is remarkable that Jones is so desperate to jerk off the Trump administration, that Infowars just recycles the Saudi line.
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Jun 20, 2017 05:51
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It really is remarkable that Jones is so desperate to jerk off the Trump administration, that Infowars just recycles the Saudi line. I assume that he was always a right wing nut but he didn't trust the establishment because Jews or something. Now trump is a outsider and will make America some fordlandia isolationist utopia hermit kingdom.
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Jun 20, 2017 16:25
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rudatron posted:So here's what I've been thinking of recently: that's just any given day in much of equatorial africa
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Jun 20, 2017 17:00
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the bitcoin of weed posted:lol even loving infowars is just a saudi propaganda outlet these days infowars supporting the president is perfectly 2017 yet still somehow disappointing
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Jun 20, 2017 17:03
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zeal posted:that's just any given day in much of equatorial africa true. but now most of the factions have tons of modern weaponry supply by either the US or Russia or themselves.
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Jun 20, 2017 17:50
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Modern weaponry doesn't really count for much, which is why the Saudi coalition has resorted to starving North Yemen into submission. Any war between Gulf Arab states is going to be fought between mercenaries.
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Jun 20, 2017 17:57
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I'm extremely glad that metal gear solid 4 is real life
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Jun 20, 2017 18:02
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Modern weaponry doesn't really count for much, which is why the Saudi coalition has resorted to starving North Yemen into submission. Any war between Gulf Arab states is going to be fought between mercenaries. or conscripts. a gently caress ton of mercs and conscripts.
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Jun 20, 2017 18:04
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the bitcoin of weed posted:I'm extremely glad that metal gear solid 4 is real life Otacon fucks
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Jun 20, 2017 18:05
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Otacon fucks and then he becomes a ladies man. the bitcoin of weed posted:I'm extremely glad that metal gear solid 4 is real life yeah pretty much.
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Jun 20, 2017 18:07
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https://twitter.com/ForeignPolicy/status/877641005402423296
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Jun 22, 2017 10:35
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FourLeaf posted:https://twitter.com/FPWellman/status/873331653959200782 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxLFdJLSho8 "I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us."
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Jun 22, 2017 11:40
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/close-al-jazeera-saudi-arabia-issues-qatar-with-13-demands-to-end-blockade Saudi Arabia and its allies have issued a threatening 13-point ultimatum to Qatar as the price for lifting a two-week trade and diplomatic embargo of the country, in a marked escalation of the Gulf’s worst diplomatic dispute in decades. The onerous list of demands includes stipulations that Doha close the broadcaster al-Jazeera, drastically scale back cooperation with Iran, remove Turkish troops from Qatar’s soil, end contact with groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood and submit to monthly external compliance checks. Qatar has been given 10 days to comply with the demands or face unspecified consequences.  The 13 demands in full
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Jun 23, 2017 21:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/close-al-jazeera-saudi-arabia-issues-qatar-with-13-demands-to-end-blockade yeah. they want war or at the very least some sort of violence. the GCC wants to flex its mucles on "easy" target, and trump being a fucktard has basicaly given them a green light. its 1914 all over again.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:16
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. they want war or at the very least some sort of violence. the GCC wants to flex its mucles on "easy" target, and trump being a fucktard has basicaly given them a green light. its 1914 all over again. A country with American and Turkish military bases isn't going to be an easy target.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:17
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:A country with American and Turkish military bases isn't going to be an easy target. hence why i said "easy". Saudi Arabia doesn't care if its failson officer corp or its conscript infantry die. trump doesnt give gently caress about our soldiers their and if he does, he will probaly try pull them out before the fireworks start.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:21
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I don't think the "unspecified consequence" is actually gonna be war. They're just going to keep up the blockade indefiinitely.
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Jun 23, 2017 22:22
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones/status/876967853999628289 It is rather interesting that Infowars has such a schizophrenic take on Iran. LIke half the time they hate them because Trump does. BUt then theyalso have to be supportive whenever Iran is targeted by the boggeymen of Infrowars like Tony Blair.
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Jun 23, 2017 23:19
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Crowsbeak posted:It is rather interesting that Infowars has such a schizophrenic take on Iran. LIke half the time they hate them because Trump does. BUt then theyalso have to be supportive whenever Iran is targeted by the boggeymen of Infrowars like Tony Blair. Iran is good because they support the Lion Assad, but they're bad because THEY KILLED ARE TROOPS
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Jun 24, 2017 00:42
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Agree to pay an unspecified amount in reparations, for actions that have not been proven, and also close AJ because ???? I don't get it, I dont see why SA is has such a hate boner fot qatar. Its not like qatar and iran are allies or whatever They're not going to be happy about president cheeto back stabbing them, so what's going to happen to the us base? Its all so stupid
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Jun 24, 2017 01:09
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cargo cult posted:god KSA sucks so loving badly. all the gulf monarchy arabs at my school are like hilariously disgustingly fat and sexually repressed. like they have figures u would think is impossible, like fuckin 5'9 with a size like 50 waist. seriously disgusting people. they have no idea how to have fun b/c theyre a bunch of unfuckable teetotalers so that brings me some cold comfort i guess. no wonder slavery and beheading is so popular in their countries. the saudi princes are seriously the worst people in the world
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Jun 25, 2017 07:26
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Helsing posted:As lovely as Trump is let's not start pretending Obama did anything other than provide support for the Saudi's starvation campaign in Yemen. Obama instated an arms embargo on SA in response to the Yemeni invasion
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Jun 25, 2017 07:35
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srsly tho why does the entire world not only put up with these massive pieces of poo poo, but in fact aids them and encourages them. why hasnt the whole world decided to get rid of the loving cancer of the saudis already
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Jun 25, 2017 07:36
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babypolis posted:srsly tho why does the entire world not only put up with these massive pieces of poo poo, but in fact aids them and encourages them. why hasnt the whole world decided to get rid of the loving cancer of the saudis already SA sits on the largest oil field in the world, and Qatar sits on the largest gas field in the world resource endowment, baby!!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 25, 2017 07:40
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Man Musk posted:SA sits on the largest oil field in the world, and Qatar sits on the largest gas field in the world yeah so just loving kill them all and be done with that poo poo, dont spend the last 50 years or whatever kowtowing to a bunch of insane, bloodthirsty, inbred, incel failsons
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Jun 25, 2017 07:46
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Man Musk posted:Obama instated an arms embargo on SA in response to the Yemeni invasion  He sold more than $100 billion worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia during his time in office and provided logistical support for their starvation campaign against Yemen, in which the Saudis are consciously destroying port infrastructure and denying foodshipments and have created an artifical famine that is threatening millions of lives. Then, less than two months before leaving office his now lame-duck administration cancelled the sale of some Raytheon munitions. That's some embargo, what a brave and humanitarian President.
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