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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Rutibex posted:

lol this must have been thrown together like a last minute term paper. who writes that fast. there hasn't even been any time to give the events context yet

ghostwriter just did a find-and-replace on the victory lap book celebrating her historic election she's had in the pipe since 2007

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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Blue Train posted:

A lot of people make fun of this tweet but I prefer his follow-up

https://twitter.com/realdenaldtrump/status/728329182049144832

lmao

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

if the SJWs won't even let us grope our employees, what's the point of hiring women again?

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Sebastien Lenorman posted:

Really loving the hacking being called a "Russian attack on our election" or "Russian interference in our election" when its literally just publishing unaltered emails. If they'd been polite, non-shady politicians the russians wouldnt have anything but "here are our fundraising metrics" and "here is our schedule" to leak in the first place! ON TOP OF THAT: This was a candidate at the time reeling from accusations of being lax with cybersecurity. How did they not have the fort knox of IT staff, locking down everything tight so nothing could get out after a year of "you dont protect your emails well enough".


To this day im glad she's not president.

no but see literally everyone is a corrupt piece of poo poo, that's just The Way The World Works, and the only true sin is exposing any particular person's dirty dealings to those without the mature worldview to understand this.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Pick posted:

Trump being a flagrant moron should have sealed her election whether you like her or not. At the time, "Let him show that he is completely incapable of doing this" seemed like an okay bet.

it seemed like a safe bet if you only talked to upper management of multibillion-dollar companies, who would tend to agree with the idea that four years of the President loving around and accomplishing nothing would be worse than four years of the President deliberately and competently destroying everyone who was not upper management of a multibillion-dollar company

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Apr 18, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

VikingSkull posted:

lol @ the suicide hotline

should've been a bunch of protips on how to do it successfully imo

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

COMRADES posted:

You'll take motherfucking NIXON???

LOL that guy was literally an insane murdering war criminal who extorted the Fed to run interest rates hot (damaging to the economy long term, great for like 6-12 months) leading up to his re-election so he could go "see I fixed this poo poo!" Plus the drug war.

Like literally he funded right wing death squads and toppled democratically elected leaders and replaced them with insane dictators like Pinochet.

He was a liar and a criminal.

the bar's been lowered just a titch since his Presidency, that poo poo just makes you a Reagan-grade saint of the party now

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

maskenfreiheit posted:

In all seriousness, if during the primary Sanders supporters had been able to harshly criticize HRC without conjuring cries of "sexism" and "bernie bro!!1!" maybe we wouldn't all be breathing the fumes from the dumpster fire that is the Trump presidency.

'well guys we were going to usher in glorious European socialism but then a dimwitted media flack called us sexist so now we're all trapped in reality show Hell'

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

VikingSkull posted:

Yeah this. Being from the NY metro area I've known about him for my whole life and the last thing I'd do is call him dumb. You don't navigate NY/NJ real estate, especially in the 80's, as an idiot, it would be impossible.

Like Dubya, he's not book smart, and extrapolating that to "lol he dumb" is a dangerous strategy for his opponents to take.

whatever GOP reptilian council of elders picked Dubya as their man destroyed liberalism for decades to come by giving mediocre coastal city people something tangible to hang their sense of passive smug superiority over all those conservative hicks on. Doesn't matter what happens or how much the right accomplishes its strategy from now, on those dudes are going to go to the grave still blowing themselves for having been smarter than a President and assured any day now conservatives will all choke on a pretzel while comically pretending to read an upside down childrens' book

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 21, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Gammatron 64 posted:

It's really, really bad. Our country is so divided that people can't even talk to each other anymore and our society can barely function. How many times did the government shut down again last administration?

I would say that Fox News started this poo poo, but they are far from being the only ones who are guilty. Both sides of the fence are basically propaganda outlets now and with every end of the media constantly spewing bullshit it's hard if not impossible to be an informed voter and fully understand what's going on. And that has very ominous repercussions for democracy.

I don't think cable news coulda divided the country if that became their sole purpose as businesses, people just needed something to do with all that leftover energy once the Red Scare burned itself out, and all those PC killjoys in the party leadership are saying we can't lynch Ahmed at the 7-11 for having done 9/11 so obvs the real unamerican is the guy indistinguishable from me who lives next door and has the wrong bumper sticker

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Gammatron 64 posted:

I think Trump is some kind of idiot savant, because he has the uncanny ability to make his opponents look like complete fools, all the while not remembering the name of the country he's bombing or appointing a guy who didn't realize what the Holocaust was.

he makes them look like fools because he's basically the town drunk and still manifestly more capable at political maneuvering than the inbred fawning beltway courtier class who's been running things

the real wonder is nobody's come in and taken the country away from them before now

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Pawl posted:

Can the Democratic party recover from Hillary "Salt the Earth" Clinton or will we see multiple splinter factions and the eventual rise of a proper 3rd party?

the Republicans were already going through everything the Democrats are now but worse and that just culminated in a ton of Bushies defecting to Hillary during the election, we're probably just looking at a general realignment into the Nativist and Woke Corporatism parties with a few people shuffling about to find their new niche. America's hundred-odd progressives will continue to own the poo poo out of each other on Twitter and occasionally join a protest.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Apr 21, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

NomChompsky posted:

She did say that Trump's economics were "trickle down ON STEROIDS!!!" which is fine and good if you're a person who understands what that means, or how that economic system hurts the middle class, or anything really about economics at all.

it was basically a more awkward, stilted version of pointing at Trump during the debate and shouting "This man is a REPUBLICAN!!!"

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

The shame is I bet Clinton could have run successfully on a totally Anti-Trump platform, she just chose the wrong things to highlight. Playing up Trump the con man, Trump the rear end in a top hat boss, Trump the rich, out of touch piece of poo poo who is using his voters only to gently caress them over once he's in power.

They literally did this with stunning success to a boring Mormon dad 4 years prior. Here you have the embodiment of unchecked capitalist privilege and excess and you went with... Dangerous Donald?

how the gently caress is Clinton going to run against anyone on any of these things

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

But Rocks Hurt Head posted:

I think through the right ads and messaging, she could have done so pretty easily. She had a lot of interaction with the donor class, so to speak, but she's not a billionaire real estate developer with a history of treating employees like garbage.

No, she's a hundred-millionaire influence peddler with close financial ties to a fuckload of insanely shady people and uh all those excerpts ITT

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

trying to own the isolationist guy on the unethical business practices he's already cheerfully owning up to as proof of what a smooth operator he is, as the national-security-heavy "womens' candidate" who as SecState brokered an arms deal with Saudi Arabia in exchange for a massive donation to the foundation her daughter draws a $500k salary from, would not have high odds of ending well, but it would've been pretty funny

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Apr 21, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Monkey Fracas posted:

Like OK yeah so she's a soulless plastic action figure that ripped its way out of its "POLITICIAN" packaging and ran for president and that was a negative thing for her but you'd think that would prevent stupid unforced errors like this and the "deplorables" comment.

Christ

nobody would have given a poo poo about any of these things were it not for the soulless lizard person thing, Trump is a walking gaffe golem and the media just looked stupid and petty tittering about it. Clinton would not have won if she'd simply avoided ever saying anything that polled poorly and the beltway set's obsession with bullshit like that in lieu of an actual vision for the country was the underpinning of her candidacy and campaign strategy.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Apr 21, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Testikles posted:

1. Humans have very short attention spans.

and then you wrote umptillion more paragraphs

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

bonerjam posted:

wait so being pro-choice is part and parcel of feminism?
you can't be a pro-life feminist?

maybe i'm overthinking this since if that's a real quote she has to be trolling the world at large.

is this your first encounter with a conservative using social justice buzzwords disingenuously to push regressive causes

I mean, we are in the Hillary Clinton thread

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Amarcarts posted:

So what's the deal with Benghazi? People make a big fuss but has anyone actually articulated what Hillary personally did wrong? As far I can tell she didn't increase security after a request for more security, but that seems like more of an oversight rather than "treason", since the state department probably deals with thousands of different communications/requests on a daily basis.

I just ask because looking back the right-wing media were going rabid about it for years afterward leading up until the election and now you don't hear about it.

she flew her emails into the Benghazi towers on 9/11 and then blamed the terrorists

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Gammatron 64 posted:

If anything, I just kinda feel like a disenfranchised voter. One of the only people in Washington who actually represented my interests got thrown under a bus. It's really evident that both major parties in the US are complete poo poo, and third parties are a joke. I voted for Hillary very begrudgingly. I might not bother voting again at this rate. When both choices would gladly stomp on my face, that doesn't give me a lot of incentive to pick one.

And what do you know, I'm not alone because voter turnout was absolutely abysmal and the worst it's ever been.

I used to be a Democrat but now I'm just... nothing. If they run Hillary again or someone like Mark Zuckerburg who has been considering a run, I absolutely won't vote.

if you're mad about lovely Democrats consider that every one of the Clinton crowd is still permanently one word away from an apoplectic tantrum over Nader stealing "their" votes

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

jesus christ can they all take phenobarbitol and join the comet already

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

maybe if the majority of voters vote for nobody, then nobody should take office instead of some runner-up to nobody

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Gammatron 64 posted:

Then maybe politicians in the running should do a better job with their campaigns and make me actually want to vote for them.

Hillary didn't try to do that. She literally didn't bother to try and convince people to vote for her. She just catered to people who were already fans. That is not a winning strategy.

All the Hillary campaign succeeded in was getting people to not vote for Trump. And Trump himself was enough to convince people not to vote for Trump. The Democratic party has costed by on being the lesser of two evils for decades, but it just isn't good enough anymore.

And I somehow doubt the DNC is going to learn. It's pretty much human nature to never admit you made mistakes and blame someone else for your problems. Our political system is also insanely corrupt and basically functions on the bribes of wealthy special interests and caters to them to survive, but it's paradoxically at odds with what the majority of voters actually want. The Democratic party is in an awkward position where it thrives off of corrupt, wealthy individuals, but also needs people to vote for them to survive, which are two things that are at odds with each other.

The Republican party can get away with being ruthless corporate shills because as long as they say that they're all about Jesus and guns, people will vote for them. They've also managed to convince a huge number of people that trickle down economics is a thing that's actually good. What the dems have right now is idpol, but that's a sinking ship that's turning more and more people against them.

the Republican party has been eating itself for about a decade now my dude, the legislators who try to use government to actually do anything have been getting primaried out by guys who categorically won't. while creeps like Pelosi have been taking a business-as-usual tack and trying to cooperate with Trump the Republican Congress is about to shut down the federal government to stop a Republican president from doing anything while in office

what the D vs. R race to the bottom has convinced people of is that voting the lesser evil into power is just voting evil into power, and the state can't be used for good

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Apr 26, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

nigga crab pollock posted:



and the best thing the hillary campaign could come up with was 'why don't they pokemon-go to the polls?'

are you disappointed that Minnie Castevet and her hangers-on didn't go all in on memes

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

bonerjam posted:

You'd think with all her years as a public figure and all her media coaches and advisors she'd know how not to act like an awkward retard in public.

Or maybe just everything was so calculated it came all the way back around and made her look the same as if she was a weird autist namedropping things she has heard of.

Hillary is one of those people who leaves out the "dash Tabasco" in a recipe, if she cooked at all, which she doesn't because she has some brown people to do it for her.

how much time has Hillary Clinton spent in the last couple decades 'in public' and not surrounded by a handpicked court of party sycophants who only care about how influential someone is

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

bonerjam posted:

Nah I mean like she is a former First Lady and a politician in her own right. She necessarily has to appear to the public even if she is removed from a van, walks two feet to a podium, and is then whisked away. She was unable to speak at all without either being condescending or fed what to say and sounding awkward as poo poo.

quote:

the last couple decades

she famously came off as a standoffish, insecure social climber who hated her roots to begin with (versus Bill who capitalized on having come up from nothing and was all about 'feeling your pain') and she just spent 17+ years having smoke blown up her rear end by the insular party machine he created. The poo poo she did on the campaign trail was literally exactly what she'd been doing to stay in power for most of your lifetime, turns out it just doesn't work when the people who actually vote have an alternative, any alternative.

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Apr 26, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

food court bailiff posted:

this post, and the events it made me recall, made me Laugh On Loudly


seriously where the gently caress did that whole thing come from

an existential threat to America so great it brought Kissinger, Bush staffers, and woke liberals together in an alliance of the light

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

a bunch of aging reporters, recognizing that traditional news media isn't coming back, decide it's time to get 'hip' with this 'weird twitter' they keep hearing about and on logging in are instantly transformed into the stuffy principal from an 80s goofball comedy

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

guys this literal hay bale of korean kush seems pretty heavy. also like it's ticking...

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

RaySmuckles posted:

in what way does this disprove what they wrote?

what do they care about "the community?" they got rich and never have to serve in the dumbass military ever again!

in the intercept article it says that SEALs have like the highest rate of people with college degrees and its not uncommon that smart, driven people join the SEALs in order to get out and sell their stories. Sure, its "ostracized" but who gives a gently caress if you get rich? plenty of people do all kinds of "repugnant" things to get rich, often considerably worse than "tell people what happened to them when they were on an international hit squad"

besides, the point of mentioning them was to point out that two book long stories told by different people told virtually the same story. that would be hard to do if the whole thing literally never happened.

I feel like there's a lot of easier and more reliable ways for someone with a college degree to get rich quick than join the SEALs and hope they can retire on the royalties from their tell-all book about assassinating Osama bin Laden, including joining a garage band in the hopes of becoming the next Kanye and digging random holes in the ground in the hopes of finding a pot of gold

most of the dudes who join the SEALs do it because they're obsessed with getting into the little SEAL treehouse club to the point of devoting their life to it

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Jonas Albrecht posted:

How do liberals look at poo poo like this and think anything other than "poo poo, our strategy was trash"?

sorry they're too busy thinking something about Voldemort right now

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

RaySmuckles posted:

hillary was the messiah of the bourgeois city people. accepting that she was flawed or imperfect is an indictment of their own beliefs and being. there will never be anyone else who so perfectly encapsulates their socioeconomic beliefs and aspirations, and if she failed because the country rejected her, then they too will fail.

nah

she was just what happens when people with no actual identity mistake a marketing company's branding strategy for their own personal political ideals

it's the same reason they're so obsessed with the messaging in iPhone commercials and poo poo

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

like not even the city bougies can get pumped for "the Iraq War, but by Democrats" or "let Goldman Sachs cause a second great recession the exact same way again", they just found validation in the idea that the choice in mascot represents an effort from corporate to market to their demographic, and are the kind of people who consciously think and write things like that

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

tbc I'm talking about the cultists super loving obsessed with Clinton and to this day yelling about Bernie bros and writing Harry Potter-reference-laden screeds about how she didn't fail, America failed her; not people who voted for her generally, who did so for all sorts of reasons (in the vast majority of cases, because they vote for the Democrat in every election regardless of who it is or what they say). The former tend to entirely ignore her actual policies, good or bad, and are real hazy about what they liked that she did while in power beyond that she was "qualified"

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Apr 28, 2017

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

bonerjam posted:

i don't like this word "woke" that gets banded around a lot.

woke means... aware of social injustices? it bothers me grammatically.

Say it in the voice of a BA in Marketing holding 'social media guru' from Connecticut dropping AAVE at the coffeeshop to let people know how 'real' and 'street' they are

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Creamed Cormp posted:

"woke" : retweeting wendy

woke : retweeting wendy porn

ascended : paying your wendy burger with porn

i can endorse this

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Blue Train posted:

The embassy was a CIA black site that tortured local citizens and they deserved the attack

wasn't the actual torture site a couple blocks down the street and the pitchfork mob got the wrong address or something, it's been a while

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Maya Fey posted:

they attacked both iirc, according to seymour hersh the consulate was a front to run guns to syria

sounds about right

ofc shady American secret terror compounds are like the Starbucks of the middle east

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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Gazpacho posted:

durr lets read court transcripts without the slightest comprehension of law, and also wield chainsaws one-handed

it's not a dumb sleazy argument that the party is entitled to engage in vote-rigging, it's 11-dimensional chess!

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