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extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Orkin Mang posted:

her cheekbones look like swollen knees and not for a generation has the continent seen a more remorseless killer of men

the beast won't be getting 20 dollars for a book of lies to spend on a diazepam injector from me

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extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR
The Bernie Sanders Story: The Man Who Is Evil For Acknowledging That I Am Actually Evil

foreword: how I used your parents cold war fear as recycled propaganda to hide my lies (THUS PROVING I'M GREEN TOO!!)

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Mnoba posted:

https://twitter.com/Variety_Claudia/status/854075323314429952

chelsey will avenger her, that's the only reason i can think of that anyone would be reporting her some much lately

she's definitely already got her 70 year old mother's creepy false joy look down at only 35 or something

i kind of want to live long enough to vote against her, hopefully that's what the magazine was going for

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Accretionist posted:

He'd ratcheted out an assload of small wins via amendments. Dude was central to getting $1,000,000,000 in funding for Community Health Centers added to Obamacare.

And that's on top of decades of winning elections against Republicans and Democrats calling him a socialist

he is also directly part of how cuomo was able to push the excelsior grant thing so new york will as of this fall be the first state to pay for a bachelors degree for residents who make under 90 grand or something, it's a 3 year plan that raises the cap income each year and is completely based on bernie and the ideas hillary stole and modified from him

cuomo even had bernie present it with him on stage despite hillary being a former new york state senator and bernie representing vermont

i repeat: even a jerk off like cuomo was inspired by bernie and honest enough to bring the real man of the people into the funding of education

NomChompsky posted:

The problem isn't even whether someone is good or bad at being president. The problem is that Americans only give a poo poo about the president, and judge all success or failure of the government as a whole as a measure of the president's ability. This means that any time a president makes promises, and fails to deliver them, it causes the people to distrust the government as a whole, and it just keeps going down.

this will always be true as long as americans are working 50 hours a week but clocked in at 39 hours and not getting health care, they don't have time effort or energy to be involved in every branch of government and they hear the news while drinking coffee on their way to work or while some guy yells about it on a video game as they pass out into the crevice of their dirty couch cushions

extra stout fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Apr 19, 2017

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Testikles posted:

The internet is really what has made us all more rabid and hateful. These are my seven reasons:

1. Humans have very short attention spans. We like quick and easy digestible information. The listicle is only popular because it delivers information in an appealing format. Those short two minute UpWorthy videos are popular because they are easy to watch. Humans are lazy creatures and we enjoy getting the gist of things quickly. It take a lot of effort to sit down and read a book, and unless we're really interested in a topic, that's a high hurdle to jump over if there's something easy close by. The information delivered is less nuanced, more stark, and delivered in simplest terms.

2. poo poo that gets us riled up is more popular. For better or for worse, we like to feel things. Stuff that makes us happy, sad, angry, whatever, is going to be more popular than something overly clinical. Feelings are supposed to be quick summaries of complex information (we don't need to go over the many reasons why we should run when a lion jumps out at us, we just need to be afraid), and it's an easy system to hijack. We're therefore more inclined towards information that provokes a response, not necessarily something that is 'objectively true'.

3. There is too much information. We have near total information about the world. We always assumed that with total information we would make better choices, but now we are so flooded with it, that we can't tell what is actually important anymore. Now when faced with a complex issue we can literally bury ourselves in the details and miss the topic at large. To take a very low level example, if I wanted to go out and buy a car, in previous decades, I'd rely on the salesperson or the automaker for a select set of specs and maybe a magazine review. Maybe I'd consult a few people I know and trust and see what they think. I could mull it over and then decide. Now not only do I have that information, I now online ratings from multiple websites, I have youtube reviews, I have podcasts, I have facebook posts etc.The world is now able to weigh in on my car making decision. I now have to curate this information on my own and create trusted networks that were taken for granted before. But at the same time....

4. The gatekeepers have been bypassed. The internet has opened the floodgates for content creation. Where before we would really have to rely on a very select set of taste makers for our media, now anybody can produce content. Things that used to be hard to come by: the niche, the strange, avant-garde, conspiratorial and underground, are now very capable of being produced and delivered just as quickly as 'mainstream media.' What might have been a 'zine' trade between a few in the know, can suddenly blow up in a Vice article overnight. This has had the great advantage of bringing new talent and content to light that was missed by the gatekeepers. This served also to discredit them too. By intentionally or unintentionally missing information, the gatekeepers can appear ignorant or dishonest. It damages their credibility. People begin to ask why aren't things they find important being covered?

5. The internet destroys and creates tribes. Humans are tribal creatures. We naturally find reasons to cluster together, and they are arbitrary. In the past the easiest reason to form a tribe was by proximity. You lived in the same area and because you lived in the same area, you generally spoke the same way, dressed the same way, and did the same things. As civilization progressed, politics and economics helped shape that too. You could belong to a class, you could be part of a profession, and with proximity, and its offshoot culture, you could be an ethnicity or of a religion. So there were really only so many acceptable or reasonable dimensions of tribe. Regardless of how it forms, the tribe sets out many key things: mores and behaviours. The tribe tells you what to do, how to do it, and why it should be done. No person is completely immune to this.

On the one hand modernism and post-modernism has really screwed around with that. With the hyperfocus on originality and the individual, people feel dislocated from the world at large. People now have to find social meaning through other means and the internet has facilitated that. We can now bond over things that have stronger meanings to us like hobbies, experiences, or unsurprisingly sex. As people come together to discuss stuff, they start forming a community, and then eventually a tribe, complete with insiders and outsiders.

On the other hand, we are now exposed to how different we all are. Whereas before there were issues unspoken, and due to the limits of communication we could just assume that the world around us conformed to our expectations, with the rise of the internet, we suddenly are faced with the fact that people disagree. The large super tribes of government and nation are fraying because we can no longer take it for granted that other people elsewhere in the country, the state, the city, or even our own neighborhoods represent us. We start to cling to our fundamental beliefs in fear of losing ourselves. For conservatives, they might entrench themselves in religion, for liberals, it might be identity politics.

6. We all think we are the good guy. Nobody imagines themselves being the bad guy (excluding the rare case). At worst people might fantasize about being an anti-hero. They have unlikable qualities but these unlikable qualities are precisely what gives them an edge over their enemies. Now because who the good guys are, are defined by your tribe, there will be stark disagreement over who the good guy is in any scenario. Even groups of people who might otherwise agree will get into arguments because they are simply not the 'right' people. This might be fine if it wasn't for the fact that one aspect of being the good guys is often fighting the bad guys. The internet has created the perfect arena for this. With many clashing opinions and meeting tribes, you can now interject yourself into any fray you want to. If somebody is bashing your tribe anywhere at any time, you can be there instantaneously with little effort on your part, to fight the good fight.

Another effect is because we are the good guys, we tend to look for things on the internet that affirm our tribe and our identities within the tribe. It takes a lot to go out and challenge your own belief system and the path of least resistance is to ignore that. We build echo chambers for ourselves and even though many people might pride themselves on being open minded, they are usually only open minded to things that do not disrupt their tribal core beliefs.

7. Best of all, there are no consequences. Where tribal conflicts often meant the threat of violence or even death, the internet removes that from the equation. You can be as vile as you want with little or no repercussions. Things that you might never consider saying to a person's face are all suddenly kosher and because you will never meet this person, there is no reason to give quarter or relent. They are the enemy and their destruction can only mean affirmation of your beliefs.

The conclusion is that we have this scenario: we have rapidly reproducing unfiltered information often lacking nuance flooding the internet. It is difficult to sort through what is important and due to our tribal tendency and our own human faults, we will tend to select the easiest absorbable information, with the greatest emotional appeal, and what conforms to our beliefs. Other people are doing the same, and we are exposed to them. We realize we don't like them very much disassociate from them, and start to form our own social circles. We are constantly bombarded with contrary information, and begin to attack outwards against people who don't agree with us, because they are not like us and are bad people. On their own end they do the same. America is slowly filling up with warring tribes of people who do not follow traditional definitions, and the traditional definitions are falling apart. Everybody is splintering in every direction and there is no reason to compromise.


Here's how many words it took for me to express my opinion back when I made this gif after some old criminal bitch stole my man Bernie's job:

extra stout fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Apr 22, 2017

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

bongwizzard posted:

Sure, but like the world has already tried Marxism and found it to be crap. I'm all about trying something else, but it's hard to get excited about another failed idea.

The issue with the permanent fear of change is that Western capitalism is running out of loans and nose jobs to pretend it isn't half dead and incapable of healthy growth that circulates through everyone or even half of everyone. Change is coming even if Coca-Cola goes on sale and the next Superbowl is a great game. You can only distract people from identifying their needs not being met for so long, can only con so many people into taking SSRIs, etc, AND SO ON AND SO ON, AND YOU KNOW *sniffs*

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

anime was right posted:

good news! you can become a somalian pirate.

Capital not only created Somalian pirates but it has now ended them too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpNpDM-enLw

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Alienwarehouse posted:

This is awesome.

it's obviously an exciting video to watch i agree with you there but i get a bit depressed thinking about how these guys live poo poo lives waiting for ships to go by to survive off their plunderin' and now we all just kind of silently or ignorantly agree to pay an extra 12 cents per import to hire retired marines to shoot 120 large rounds through their heads and into the ocean every time a single boat tries to pull up to the barbed wire floating mansion transporting some rear end fucky poo poo we don't really need and used to not even want

in the end i guess the pollution is the part to whine about because there was never some pre-pirate era where i grew up thinking 'i want to go to somalia one day and check it out!'

even if they become even more terroristy than they are now they just can't really harm any area that i give a poo poo about beyond the ocean itself

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

COMRADES posted:

Also in case you guys missed this, here's the DNC arguing in court they don't owe anyone a fair primary process:

at this point we all know they've bought the court and might as well just say less to avoid causing more and more democrats from going independent

it's insane how much that court case has been exposing, also people randomly dying, with no media coverage

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR
does anyone remember salman rushdie going on bill maher and talking about how both islam and hillary are good and how bernie supporters are irrational

then months later i click his youtube highlights once a month (never watched him again after they made hitchens roll in his grave) and he says things like 'i was always behind bernie'

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Stexils posted:

i dont think he actively hurt her except through opportunity cost. it was a prime opportunity to throw the left a bone and she passed it up for wonderbread.

you should go watch the kaine pence debate it was hilarious, you could be a marxist 4th grade art teacher and admit that tim kaine was not a good choice just from hearing him speak for thirty seconds, before i can even type 'dnc' you can just hear a guy who lacks the public speaking skills needed to lie to the american people in the way that they like to be lied to

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extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

this was equally painful for everyone who clicked on it i imagine

also once they mentioned they're in new york city i can't imagine why you would degrade yourself in the place she's already won to try and get her votes, i guess one reason is that you would be beaten up for performing it anywhere else and they already wrote the whole song before realizing this

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