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Floral Pants Man is the hero we deserve and still better than Mishima.
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Keeshhound posted:If you want an actual answer it's because that action doesn't hurt the banks, it just hurts their customers and staff. people under a bank only suffer when that bank is maligned because the bank has power and wealth enough to shift their losses downward, which is true of any powerful figure and that reality doesn't mean 'welp don't bother' it doesn't matter though because the PT's argument isn't anywhere near as coherent as yours.
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Aug 8, 2017 19:29
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Utgardaloki posted:people under a bank only suffer when that bank is maligned because the bank has power and wealth enough to shift their losses downward, which is true of any powerful figure and that reality doesn't mean 'welp don't bother' So our sympathy should go towards a group that appeared to be threatening to unleash financial armageddon on a country?
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Aug 8, 2017 19:38
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Hunt11 posted:So our sympathy should go towards a group that appeared to be threatening to unleash financial armageddon on a country? no I'm talking about one of the side quests you do in mementos
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Aug 8, 2017 19:46
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Utgardaloki posted:no I'm talking about one of the side quests you do in mementos In which case you're insisting that the dude who was knowingly engaging in fraud to enrich himself at the expense of everyone else is the true rebel. Like, this isn't a tricky concept; the game makes it clear that he's just scrambling for an excuse since you've got him cornered.
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Aug 8, 2017 20:08
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Keeshhound posted:In which case you're insisting that the dude who was knowingly engaging in fraud to enrich himself at the expense of everyone else is the true rebel. er, no, banks are not representative of the interests of the whole and whatever ill effect they direct at everyone else isn't the moral responsibility of people robbing them or whatever, but again my real key point is that no matter how flimsy the dude's justification is, nobody in the game countered with the point you're making or anything like it.
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Aug 8, 2017 21:37
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Just so we're clear, the side mission that you feel is so hypocritical is the one where it's the dude disguising himself to make fraudulent withdrawals from banks. And you feel like it's inappropriate to condemn that behavior because "gently caress banks." Is that the gist of it?
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Aug 8, 2017 21:44
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Utgardaloki posted:no I'm talking about one of the side quests you do in mementos Speaking of mementos, it's kind of neat/creepy how you can meet that one serial killer from that request in the overworld and chat with him a bunch before changing his heart. I didn't notice him on my first playthrough, but I sure did on my second.
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Aug 8, 2017 22:20
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Keeshhound posted:Just so we're clear, the side mission that you feel is so hypocritical is the one where it's the dude disguising himself to make fraudulent withdrawals from banks. And you feel like it's inappropriate to condemn that behavior because "gently caress banks." Is that the gist of it? I do think its hypocritical for infamous thieves to tell a con artist who's only victims are institutional that his actions are immoral, yes
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Aug 8, 2017 22:42
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Utgardaloki posted:I do think its hypocritical for infamous thieves to tell a con artist who's only victims are institutional that his actions are immoral, yes yeah, all the "women" he forces into prostitution aren't people, and only people can be victims, so really the problem was capitalism
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Aug 8, 2017 22:43
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oh, you weren't talking about kaneshiro. i'm dumb, but your argument is still dumber
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Aug 8, 2017 22:45
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Aug 8, 2017 22:47
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Utgardaloki posted:I do think its hypocritical for infamous thieves to tell a con artist who's only victims are institutional that his actions are immoral, yes Jesus, this is loving art.  You really had me going; I thought you were coming at this from some kind of idiot anarcho-tankie position but fuuuuuuck. I was not prepared.
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Aug 8, 2017 22:56
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i liked when hideki kamiya got really buff and beat the poo poo out of me.
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spit on my clit posted:i liked when hideki kamiya got really buff and beat the poo poo out of me.  More games should have superbuff politicians to fight.
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Aug 9, 2017 07:09
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Xad posted:
He played college ball, you know.
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P5 feels like the grab bag of Society's Problems which is interesting but the only topic ppl keep bringing up is waifu wars and how you can date your teacher. At least Mona is cute and the overall title is stylish but I swear the next game "critic" calls P5 a sign how video games are art can just get out.
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Alder posted:P5 feels like the grab bag of Society's Problems which is interesting but the only topic ppl keep bringing up is waifu wars and how you can date your teacher. At least Mona is cute and the overall title is stylish but I swear the next game "critic" calls P5 a sign how video games are art can just get out. Why would they? Nier Automata is right there.
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Aug 9, 2017 09:08
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Keeshhound posted:It's not that Public Opinion has itself become inherently good, it's that the public is finally looking beyond themselves and pulling together with you in order to make a better world (without lovely gods). The best most insightful thing they did in the entire game was the angry tweets perfectly nailing public opinion shifts over essentially nothing and it was pretty insightful in the year where it got an unqualified person elected to the strongest office in the world
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Alder posted:P5 feels like the grab bag of Society's Problems which is interesting but the only topic ppl keep bringing up is waifu wars and how you can date your teacher. At least Mona is cute and the overall title is stylish but I swear the next game "critic" calls P5 a sign how video games are art can just get out.
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Aug 9, 2017 09:53
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Endorph posted:p5 is proof that ui design is art
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Persona 5 is weird because it wants to be a game tackling serious issues and morality and poo poo, but also wants to be an escapist power fantasy where you finally get to gently caress your hot teacher. Add in that it was made by some old Japanese guys that have never talked to a gay person or a woman in their lives and a troubled development and you get this barely coherent mess of a game that I somehow still love dearly.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:23
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did someone talk about panckaes
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Charlie Bobson posted:Persona 5 is weird because it wants to be a game tackling serious issues and morality and poo poo, but also wants to be an escapist power fantasy where you finally get to gently caress your hot teacher. Add in that it was made by some old Japanese guys that have never talked to a gay person or a woman in their lives and a troubled development and you get this barely coherent mess of a game that I somehow still love dearly. Yeah. You can tell it especially when they're doing the Ann arc. The story itself is often well done, some problems here and there, but was having some tact... that were almost always completely undermined by the camera shots, her custom design, her battle animations. It's not a problem exclusive to this game for sure, there's been outcry about male gaze and etc for ages now. But it was pretty extreme with Ann. I mean your get the scene at the cafe where she's telling you kamoshida is trying to coerce her into sex, and even then the camera just wants you to look at her chest.
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Charlie Bobson posted:Persona 5 is weird because it wants to be a game tackling serious issues and morality and poo poo, but also wants to be an escapist power fantasy where you finally get to gently caress your hot teacher. Add in that it was made by some old Japanese guys that have never talked to a gay person or a woman in their lives and a troubled development and you get this barely coherent mess of a game that I somehow still love dearly.
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FractalSandwich posted:Holy hyperbole, Batman. Given the context of Persona 3 and 4, not really. Persona 5 tries to have its cheesecake and eat it too, especially in cutscenes. Ryuji and Yusuke suffer from inconsistent characterization, Ann may as well not exist after the second Palace, and certain segments of the story: Hawaii trip, Palace 5, and December, have weak writing or just god-awful pacing. I went back to P4, and it has a better translation, more solid characterization, and does a better job of making the cast feel like a team. Persona 5 has better gameplay and style. I love the inclusion of guns and that none of your party members have overlapping elements. Demon negotiation is cool too and I hope it gets expanded into something more like Persona 2's where your party members assist you, changing the style and tone of negotiation. Kamoshida is a top-notch villain, but the rest of the game except for the death fake-out doesn't really live up to the opening's potential.
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How they handle Shiho is weird...I totally expected her to be a Confidant but then they just drop her from the game pretty much
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FractalSandwich posted:Holy hyperbole, Batman. youre right. the game is very good and i like it a lot, but there are some werid content and thematic inconsistencies that make the game less coherent as a whole. It's it's definitely not barely incoherent.
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Keeshhound posted:Jesus, this is loving art. Anarcho-tankie is an oxymoron and they're not wrong tbh
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Sea Sponge Run posted:How they handle Shiho is weird...I totally expected her to be a Confidant but then they just drop her from the game pretty much Leave Shiho alone. Ann's SL mentions Shiho but I haven't cleared it because of life. Atlus had a decent concept but actual execution was lacking esp surrounding Ann, Makoto, and some of the female SL which went nowhere fast. The main problem w/Ann as other have mentioned is the focus how she is supposed to be a femme fatale but in-game her personality is laid-back and how she often feels out of place due to living overseas and her looks. Also, her PT outfit is terrible too along w/all the promo art which is extremely mismatched. Art/Style: 10/10 Plot: 7/10 Gameplay: 8/10 I still have hope they will fix some of the plot holes like Akechi's disappearance and delete Mishima during the eventual remake after P5:Dancing.
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Endorph posted:p5 is proof that ui design is art After I was done with Persona 5 I considered playing Tokyo Mirage Sessions and watching some videos of it my first reaction was, "Wow this interface looks like hot garbage"
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Alder posted:Leave Shiho alone. Ann's SL mentions Shiho but I haven't cleared it because of life. Not sure what your issue is with Makoto as while not the most exciting SL it is serviceable and in general she does a good job as the second lead. For Ann I feel the mismatch kind of works as the whole point is that she looks like she should be a femme fatale but in reality she is just a caring goofball.
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It is a little weird that everyone gets rad outfits while Ann seems to hate hers. Isn't the metaverse costume supposed to be the character's idea of a "rebel"?
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HellCopter posted:It is a little weird that everyone gets rad outfits while Ann seems to hate hers. Isn't the metaverse costume supposed to be the character's idea of a "rebel"? I think the idea they were going for was it's their subconscious idea of how a rebel looks, but consciously she's thinking "Oh Jesus, does it have to be skin tight? Why is there a boob window!? SERIOUSLY!? A TAIL AND CAT EARS!!?" If memory serves, Makoto expresses similar reservations during a mementos conversation.
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Aug 10, 2017 16:30
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In short, Ann seems like the kind of person who would admire Catwoman but also loathes the thought of wearing her costume. Also yeah, Makoto's not super comfortable with her thief outfit either.
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Aug 10, 2017 16:32
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ann's costume and battle poses are fine, the issue is that she's self-conscious about it. if she was just 'yeah im sexy. my sexuality isn't for some gross old dude it's for me,' that'd be fine. but her simultaneously being in a sexy outfit and worried about being in a sexy outfit just feels stupid. like look at her swimsuit scene, ryuji is perving all over her and she's just 'hahaha heyyy big guy, you having fun over there' and loving with him. that's a good character beat and makes ann feel way more like a consistent, likable character. the issue is it totally clashes with her being so embarrassed about her outfit or whatever.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:After I was done with Persona 5 I considered playing Tokyo Mirage Sessions and watching some videos of it my first reaction was, "Wow this interface looks like hot garbage" That was how I felt about TMS all around.
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Endorph posted:ann's costume and battle poses are fine, the issue is that she's self-conscious about it. if she was just 'yeah im sexy. my sexuality isn't for some gross old dude it's for me,' that'd be fine. but her simultaneously being in a sexy outfit and worried about being in a sexy outfit just feels stupid. It clashes with ryuji's character too since he doesn't perv on her at all outside of the anime cutscenes, which again feel like they were outsourced and finalized long before the game's script was, because nearly half of them feel incongruent with the rest of the game in one way or another
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they probably were, considering how long this game was in development. its a very ff13 situation 'hey joker take your glasses off for no reason'
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poo poo futaba's in this beach cutscene but hasn't been introduced yet, uhhhhh bam second beach trip
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