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Cool stuff. Keep them coming.
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Alder posted:A character study on Akechi: Akechi seems like a good boy but he is not a good boy. There, one sentence.
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Sep 2, 2017 12:04
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Akechi seems like a good boy but he is not a good boy. But this doesn't even cover all the sexual tension between him and Joker
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Sep 2, 2017 13:50
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Tarot Analysis: Makoto Upright: Intuition, Higher powers, mystery, subconscious mind Reversed: Hidden agendas, need to listen to inner voice The key factors of a Reversed Priestess is they are lack of self trust and belief (aka her inability to decide what is good for her own future), Not following your own path as she uses Sae as her measuring stick of success and humorously choosing to be single as she knows nothing about romance at all. Makoto tackles those issues she has with you in the confidant as she learns to make friends rather than peers with Eiko and follows her own path rather than doing for Sae's sake. In short Makoto begins to follow her own intuition in life rather than be guided by others. Even her Tarot demonstrates that by showing how she is not reading scripture but instead pornography of a woman which shows that her scripture is considered to be corrupt as Sae's cynicism and cruelty causes her to listen to her inferior self talking and investing the thieves with the promise of a recommendation. I can see why people are not a fan of her confidant, but I look at it from this perspective of the Tarot. In the Upright position it shows intuition, higher powers, mystery and Makoto learns to rely on her own personal intuition in figuring how rotten Tsukasa really is and doing in a way that is much more careful than the disastrous encounter with Kaneshiro Remember her situation with Kaneshiro, she only investigated on the thieves due to the orders of the Principal and Sae's goading. Here she was, seeing Eiko nearly sharing the same fate as the students when Kaneshiro was a threat and had to join the Phantom Thieves to solve the case. Makoto shows that she doesn't need the metaverse to save Eiko by stealing Tsuaka's heart. Makoto's journey here was learning to pursue the path of justice her own way, in the end she realize the higher power within her was the same as Sae but just under different circumstances.
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Sep 2, 2017 17:32
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OK, I give up. What on God's green earth does the B in Yusuke's fleur-de-lis stand for? I mean, if it stands for anything. It could just be what someone thought a good-looking logo looked like. On the other hand, this is an Atlus and an SMT game, so it could mean something insanely abstruse.
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Sep 3, 2017 00:10
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bisexual
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Sep 3, 2017 00:16
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Ewww. That would imply there is a drop of heterosexuality in Yusuke. Disgusting.
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Sep 3, 2017 02:52
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Onomarchus posted:OK, I give up. What on God's green earth does the B in Yusuke's fleur-de-lis stand for? I mean, if it stands for anything. It could just be what someone thought a good-looking logo looked like. On the other hand, this is an Atlus and an SMT game, so it could mean something insanely abstruse. bisexual class
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Sep 3, 2017 03:07
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SpazmasterX posted:But this doesn't even cover all the sexual tension between him and Joker Wait for part II of who is the best anime BF in P5. .
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Sep 3, 2017 06:44
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Grey Fox posted:could just be what class he's in since it's his school emblem Ah, but it's not. His school's emblem is a star. You can see it on the uniform for Hifumi of the Star arcana. Like a lot of Persona playable characters, Yusuke is a special child that doesn't have to strictly adhere to his school's uniform. I think his fleur-de-lis in general is supposed to be another callback to Jun. He has an emblem of a flower where Jun had a flower. I like that Akechi has the emblem of anarchism on his briefcase, even if it is meant to stand for "Akechi" and "Answer."
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Sep 5, 2017 00:49
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I don't think you ever see the actual Kosei boys' uniform in-game, but it's in the art book, and the shirt doesn't have an emblem of any kind on it. Yusuke is a loose cannon. He doesn't even wear his tie!
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Sep 5, 2017 01:29
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Akechi seems like a good boy but he is not a good boy. Daddy didn't love me so I murder people
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Sep 5, 2017 06:19
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Stroth posted:Daddy didn't love me so I murder people True, my broken irl home life has encouraged my inherent murderous tendencies in society using my magical pokemon.
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Sep 5, 2017 15:25
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FractalSandwich posted:He doesn't even wear his tie! "Uh, Yusuke, we need to talk. From now on, I need you to wear this. I need you to wear this bolo tie."
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Sep 6, 2017 00:17
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Onomarchus posted:"Uh, Yusuke, we need to talk. From now on, I need you to wear this. I need you to wear this bolo tie." "Do you think it will help me get out of this slump?" "Sure, let's go with that."
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Sep 6, 2017 01:11
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I think I finally figured out what bothered me about how Akechi's story arc was written. I feel weird about bumping the thread but I wanted to see if other people noticed the same thing. So. A lot of characters have some elements from older P1/P2 characters. Some of them actually work (Futuba has some Baofu elements so she's Perfect in Every Way and I thought Makoto and Sae's take on Tatsuya and Katsuya was interesting) some of them...don't (sorry, Ann), so with that in mind, I think they tried to have a Jun Kurosu-styled arc with Akechi, but it couldn't gel correctly because of the S.link format, along with other stuff. Here we have a person who completely hates himself, has a lot of dad issues along with being manipulated by his dad, has these warped views of justice, is an obvious foil of the main character and they even have a bit of a ship tease thing going on, and turns out to be a villain. I'm not saying that they should have copied Jun's story line completely because that's stupid, I just had a feeling that it could have been done a lot better...and then it hit me that I've actually seen it done better before this. Maybe I should play P5 again to look more into it, but I can't shake the feeling that that's what they were going for. I don't know if anyone brought this up here because...well, I haven't checked in months and ain't nobody got time for that. 
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Sep 27, 2017 01:56
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That might be what they were going for, but there are a few key differences in that Jun actively had Nyarlathotep scrambling his brains the whole way, whereas Akechi needed far less prodding to start killing people and hitched his wagon to a bevy of other crimes in the process. His crimes are much less excusable and much more provable in a court of law, which didn't leave many options for ending his character arc besides "gently caress it, contrived self-sacrifice, moving on." The guy's character was just undercooked.
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Sep 27, 2017 14:06
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Oxxidation posted:The guy's character was just undercooked. Yeah that's my overall thought on it too. I think they could have done more to set up his sacrifice or everyone forgiving him (that's another thing that made me think of Jun but his character actually earned it  ) or set up his relationship with Joker outside the auto S.link scenes but P5 is packed to the gills as is. It's too bad they wrote themselves into a corner with him.
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Sep 27, 2017 17:50
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BaDandy posted:Yeah that's my overall thought on it too. That is the thing though, they didn't forgive him. They talk about how they could understand how he could end up like that, but at the end of the day he was still a bastard.
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Sep 27, 2017 17:53
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Yeah I'm not sure why people think the thieves forgave Akechi for his poo poo, they straight up say they're not forgiving him, but they understand his position, which isn't quite forgiveness. I guess their offer to take him along to beat up Shido might be what's misconstrued, but I always saw that more as them wanting to keep an eye on him so he doesn't get in their way down the road.
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Sep 27, 2017 17:56
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Probably because the last they really discuss him is a quick series of texts going "aw well maybe he was a good guy after all." No he wasn't you chumps get this moral ambiguity out of my face Same with the game itself insisting that the engine room scene is this grand act of redeeming self-sacrifice, when it comes off as a suicide attempt more than anything.
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Sep 27, 2017 18:13
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Like I totally get that they were going for "Aww he was screwed over by an adult too and therefore relateable" but 1) the game showing that was...really bad. The "look at how evil we are being, we are just soooooo evil, wow" conversation with Shido and Akechi, for one. Really, guys? And then they reveal all of his actual issues in the engine room. 2) I might have had a better time accepting the engine room scene if there was more of a buildup to it. I get that Akechi is a Fake Bitch who's bad at being sincere, but there are ways to dig into that a little more deeply, you know? Even if they didn't completely forgive him, it still feels really forced.
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Sep 27, 2017 18:56
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I think that part of it's due to a culture gap, as well. Everything I read on the subject suggested that orphans are loving unpersons in Japan. Akechi stuck by Shido in part to ruin his day, but also probably because without a patron his most likely future would consist of freezing/starving to death in some out-of-the-way alley somewhere. That still doesn't excuse how back-loaded his arc was or the way the game tries to play him off as sympathetic, though.
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Sep 27, 2017 19:17
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BaDandy posted:I think I finally figured out what bothered me about how Akechi's story arc was written. I feel weird about bumping the thread but I wanted to see if other people noticed the same thing. So. I completely agree that Persona 5 takes a lot of its cues from Persona 2. Probably the biggest piece of evidence is the similar conspiracies in both, right down to being headquartered on a literal/mind-brain cruise ship. A smaller one is Morgana saying even stuff in the non-Metaverse real world is literally created by what people think, which is like rumors even from the time of Christ shaping reality in P2. Another big influence is Jun. Atlus took his character design and more or less gave it to Yusuke, then took his story and more or less gave it to Akechi. I imagine plenty of people have noticed this before us. There are differences of course. For instance, in P2 you got more than a little tease of flirting. You could choose Jun as your love interest (you only got one back in that millennium) and then show off your relationship to demons. Those were the days. The old LaSalle ran great &c.
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The only missing from the Shido Boss was a political aide voiced by Akio Ohtsuka who is so loyal to Shido that when told that he was gonna die with the rest of the conspirators his response was "Everyone dies, as long as my great leader survives I have done my part" with references to his previous roles like Big Boss, Anavel Gato and Takadatsu Honda" Actually, what kind of supporting villain would have been great for most of the Palace Bosses?
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