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Mezzanon posted:Ad naus went from slam dunking against control to the control match being almost unwinnable. Yeah. Silence is back and most play 3x in the main in place of Pact of Negation. I like it a lot more than Pact. Silence against storm when they have got their storm count up to like 15-18 somehow feels better than Angels Gracing in response to Grape Shot.
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This thread (and Magic players in general) can be kinda bad at distinguishing between strategic breakage and structural breakage when it comes to both game design and whether or not a card should be banned. Banning a card because it results in a play pattern that's too far from what the designers intended is perfectly reasonable. Banning non-interactive decks out of the format is a thing I'm totally fine with.
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The problem with FL isn’t that fair decks use it. The problem with FL is that unfair decks use it, and you run into the same problem Pod did where you either keep playing Whack-a-Mole with whatever news cards crop up that Faithless breaks over it’s knee, or you take out the card that keeps supercharging all these degenerate decks and try to buy back some design space so you don’t have to put every new non-garbage graveyard card that can be red-adjacent under a microscope.
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Aug 28, 2019 00:16
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My understanding is that they banned Faithless Looting because it enabled Hogaak. But since they banned Hogaak, why ban Faithless Looting?
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Aug 28, 2019 00:57
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The Human Crouton posted:My understanding is that they banned Faithless Looting because it enabled Hogaak. But since they banned Hogaak, why ban Faithless Looting? They explain their reasoning in the announcement
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Aug 28, 2019 00:58
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Mr. Locke posted:The problem with FL isn’t that fair decks use it. Also everyone is complaining that losing it breaks their unfair decks, as though that is a bad thing
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Aug 28, 2019 01:29
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Are we still pretending there are fair decks in modern?
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Aug 28, 2019 02:07
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UW control has been a t1 deck for a hot minute my dude
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Aug 28, 2019 02:20
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Jund is also more playable than it has been in several years.
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Aug 28, 2019 02:22
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Brownhat posted:Are we still pretending there are fair decks in modern? There are now!
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Aug 28, 2019 02:22
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the reason they banned faithless looting is that in a deck with sufficient graveyard synergy it is just a sorcery speed ancestral recall, and that bifurcated the format into decks that can play ancestral recall and decks that can’t. graveyard strategies that might be borderline or just “reasonable” become tier 1 or broken when, in addition to their normal game plan, they get to play recall and nobody else can. it centralized the metagame around graveyard decks because it gave them a tool more powerful than any equivalent available to non graveyard decks, and that’s why it was banned. It wasn’t “broken with hogaak,” it was broken with hogaak, Phoenix, hollow one, etc. etc. etc.
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Aug 28, 2019 02:23
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Brownhat posted:Are we still pretending there are fair decks in modern? Unless we've changed the definition, Jund and burn are both fair modern decks. They play out mana on curve and don't cheat costs. "Fair" anymore is just another term like "interactive" that is used to signify when someone thinks you should be able to play a deck. I've had people complain that I was playing uninteractive magic with burn. You know, they deck that doesn't really combo and puts cheap squishy creatures on board for you deal with. I don't know how to make a deck more interactive than cast a bunch of spells and still require some creature damage to win the game.
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rkajdi posted:Unless we've changed the definition, Jund and burn are both fair modern decks. They play out mana on curve and don't cheat costs. I've heard people call control decks "non-interactive" before
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Aug 28, 2019 02:30
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It’s like folks didn’t realize graveyard decks were warping the meta so much that hate was main decked But ya I mean obvi I can feel for somebody whose deck was hurt by the announcement, Magic is kinda super lovely that way. It’s like losing the save to a game you’re half way through and being like nope not again gently caress this
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uggy posted:It’s like folks didn’t realize graveyard decks were warping the meta so much that hate was main decked But that is kind of the risk you take in eternal formats. At any point some card you bought a grip of can become banned and you're often SoL on it.
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Aug 28, 2019 02:38
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Ya I know and I’m here for it but can also understand the distress it causes
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uggy posted:
This is part of why I built burn as my backup modern deck, it's almost never going to be the best deck, and it'll probably always be at least playable, but it is incredibly unlikely to get anything banned from it. And because it's incredibly fun to play, I guess. Cactrot fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Aug 28, 2019 |
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Aug 28, 2019 02:46
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They banned faithless looting because it has flashback
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Aug 28, 2019 03:40
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I’m stoked to have sideboard slots back.
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Aug 28, 2019 03:40
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I'm stoked for people to cut all of their rest in peace and then lose to hardened scales and whirza
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Aug 28, 2019 03:43
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Just be like me and play bad decks all the time and never have to worry about them being banned out of existence.
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Sampatrick posted:I'm stoked for people to cut all of their rest in peace and then lose to hardened scales and whirza As if Stonys aren't getting back the slots they deserve and those decks won't get the poo poo Tronned out of them
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C-Euro posted:Just be like me and play bad decks all the time and never have to worry about them being banned out of existence. Hell yeah
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Aug 28, 2019 03:52
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"This card should have/shouldn't have been banned" deserves a spot on the bingo card if it isn't there already.
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C-Euro posted:Just be like me and play bad decks all the time and never have to worry about them being banned out of existence. If Burn counts as a bad deck, then 
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C-Euro posted:Just be like me and play bad decks all the time and never have to worry about them being banned out of existence. i tried that by playing bridgevine for years and then they had to go & print hogaak and start banning poo poo left & right
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LifeLynx posted:"This card should have/shouldn't have been banned" deserves a spot on the bingo card if it isn't there already. isn't that the Free Space? if it isn't, then what is?
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Aug 28, 2019 04:21
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Lone Goat posted:isn't that the Free Space? "Strictly better"
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Aug 28, 2019 04:22
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I like how they made recall clearly better than cruise in vintage by restricting misstep
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Sampatrick posted:I like how they made recall clearly better than cruise in vintage by restricting misstep Misdirection is still around!
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should I buy stitcher's supplier now or wait till it rotates out of standard? Is it expected to still see play despite hogaak? (Enough play that it will rise heavily in demand, I mean)
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The Clowner posted:should I buy stitcher's supplier now or wait till it rotates out of standard? Is it expected to still see play despite hogaak? (Enough play that it will rise heavily in demand, I mean) If there's a Graveyard archtype to still find play in Modern besides Phoenix decks, Stitcher's has a solid chance to be part of it. Moreso now with Faithless Looting gone since many of these decks will still need to come up with ways of digging through their library to fill their yard. Being attached to a body might even be relevant depending on what form Modern Graveyard takes in the future.
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burn is generally a good deck but also what does "banning out burn" even mean, you just play slightly worse bolts I guess banning out your creatures would be kind of annoying but I also don't think will ever happen
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Elyv posted:burn is generally a good deck but also what does "banning out burn" even mean, you just play slightly worse bolts Rampaging Ferocidon, Ramunap Ruins, etc.
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The Clowner posted:should I buy stitcher's supplier now or wait till it rotates out of standard? Is it expected to still see play despite hogaak? (Enough play that it will rise heavily in demand, I mean) It's... a two dollar uncommon from a modern print-run set. It will never have removal-level demand, so just buy it whenever you want to play it.
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LifeLynx posted:"This card should have/shouldn't have been banned" deserves a spot on the bingo card if it isn't there already. might as well add "talking about spoilers" and "talking about going to a prerelease" and other ~mtg~ things if talking about magic is just too much for this thread like the biggest modern ban shake up in a while is something we can and should discuss even if it's circular or sorta stupid
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I for one am embracing my negative win % against tron and swapping faithless looting and young pyro one for one with SFM and dreadhorde arcanist in my mardu pyro deck this FNM to see what happens. And I guess good bye to my two fun-ofs
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Lone Goat posted:isn't that the Free Space? "mcmagic makes a bad card evaluation"
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smertrioslol posted:I for one am embracing my negative win % against tron and swapping faithless looting and young pyro one for one with SFM and dreadhorde arcanist in my mardu pyro deck this FNM to see what happens. And I guess good bye to my two fun-ofs You might want to swap in at least one equipment while you're at it or stoneforge is gonna look a bit less then stellar
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The gigantic equipment package is really the deckbuilding cost, but for people who can afford midrange/control it's likely less a problem.
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