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PJOmega posted:As shown in the tap symbol. I'm smart; I went to college.
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Star Man posted:I'm smart; I went to college. Is all good. I graduated next to someone that thought "business environment" was about whether a business used eco friendly fuels.
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Apr 20, 2017 08:26
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The Masterpiece art is still really small but Dusk//Dawn looks nice and symmetrical.
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Apr 20, 2017 08:31
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Apr 20, 2017 11:24
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Rigel posted:You didn't understand my point. I believed he was saying that chump blocking 2 times alone (without any other ability including lifelink) for 2 mana on installment was good. I disagreed, and insisted that lifelink (which can be abused with other cards) made the difference. Ah sorry, I was reading that as "never play 1/1s in limited". Yeah the lifelink is what makes the card along with embalm.
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Apr 20, 2017 13:59
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I'm pretty sure Sacred Cat is bad because two chumps and two life isn't actually that good. Servo Expedition and other cards that make two 1/1s let you have them at the same time so they can double block an x/2. With Sacred Cat you'll never get both 1/1s at once so unless there's a bunch of x/1s running around its on board impact is minimal. On the other hand I think they underrated the white monument because it'll generate way more tokens and you don't need to be white to get use of it.
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Apr 20, 2017 14:13
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It's more that the amount of investment on your part to play it or get it back from the grave is minimal. No one's arguing that the weakest embalm card in the set is good, just that it's playable because of embalm (and lifelink).
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Apr 20, 2017 14:22
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Being a throw-in to allow a 2/2 to trade up with a 3/3 or a 3/3 to trade up with a 4/4 can also be valuable. Is doing that twice and gaining two life worth a card? If you have a powerful late-game deck that just needs a little help to survive to the late game it might be good enough, but it's definitely filler material rather than a card you go hunting for.
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Lone Goat posted:I'm pretty sure Sacred Cat is bad because two chumps and two life isn't actually that good. Servo Expedition and other cards that make two 1/1s let you have them at the same time so they can double block an x/2. With Sacred Cat you'll never get both 1/1s at once so unless there's a bunch of x/1s running around its on board impact is minimal. Maybe its good if theres a lot of x/x-1s in the set where the cat trades up with some help but that seems extremely optimisic and the card is probably just bad Jabor posted:Being a throw-in to allow a 2/2 to trade up with a 3/3 or a 3/3 to trade up with a 4/4 can also be valuable. Is doing that twice and gaining two life worth a card? You're trading 3 cards for 2 in that scenario and even then the stars have have to align for that to happen. little munchkin fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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TheMaestroso posted:It's more that the amount of investment on your part to play it or get it back from the grave is minimal. No one's arguing that the weakest embalm card in the set is good, just that it's playable because of embalm (and lifelink). I'm saying it's not playable. LSV and Marshall had it at C and C- (I forget who had what grade), i think it's D level. Though I would side it in if i'm up against a bunch of x/1s or otherwise extremely aggro deck and need breathing room.
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Apr 20, 2017 14:38
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Cat isn't amazing but you're going to have one untapped land during a turn doing nothing a lot more often than two in limited. Having a cheap chump blocker in a grindy format is good, especially when it gains you small amounts of life. From the perspective of the player that casts the cat it won't be amazing, but an opponent that wants to beat down through it is going to find it pretty annoying that two attacks with their best creature did nothing but gain their opponent two life.
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Apr 20, 2017 14:43
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Lone Goat posted:I'm saying it's not playable. LSV and Marshall had it at C and C- (I forget who had what grade), i think it's D level. Though I would side it in if i'm up against a bunch of x/1s or otherwise extremely aggro deck and need breathing room. Combat Celebrant, Vizier of Remedies, and Initiate's Companion are the only X/1 it does anything to. The others fly, revive, or have exert or dies triggers that make blocking them with a 1/1 not work.
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If I could make my opponent go down a card for two life I'd love the opportunity. Hell I'd do it for 6 life. It's not like Nourish was playable either. Also slow grindy formats are about card advantage and having each card in your deck play a purpose, not tossing away resources for a bit of life.
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Apr 20, 2017 14:50
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In a situation where you are chumping with cat its going to usually be like 10+ life you are gaining, which is a pretty reasonable card. This might change after I've done a bunch of draft/sealed but for right now I think it something you will usually play as long as you aren't an aggro deck
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Combat Celebrant, Vizier of Remedies, and Initiate's Companion are the only X/1 it does anything to. The others fly, revive, or have exert or dies triggers that make blocking them with a 1/1 not work. It's also a really good -1/-1 counter victim, but I don't know if that's a compliment. 
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Apr 20, 2017 15:18
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Scared Cat seems like a reasonable 22nd/23rd playable at least.
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quote:HASCON—Hasbro's first-ever convention—is coming September 8–10 to Providence, Rhode Island, and Magic has a few special events planned that you won't want to miss.
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quote:Angels, Sphinxes, Demons, Dragons, and Hydras Where the gently caress is Lord of Atlantis's long needed reprint?! 
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Apr 20, 2017 16:04
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Two $10 msrp masters sets in a year. These things must rake it in.
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Apr 20, 2017 16:10
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Hmmm, what is hascon? Nope.
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Apr 20, 2017 16:17
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Two $10 msrp masters sets in a year. These things must rake it in. Seems like a little overkill.
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Sickening posted:Hmmm, what is hascon? Can't wait to go to a magic event where the players are the least-weird adults there.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Two $10 msrp masters sets in a year. These things must rake it in.
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ThePeavstenator posted:Can't wait to go to a magic event where the players are the least-weird adults there. I dont' know about going to Hascon, but I think the idea of drafting a set with no information about its contents is really cool. Seems like a neat way to really put your evaluation skills and instincts to the test.
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Siivola posted:Well people keep saying they will not play Standard any more. It was all part of the plan.
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Iconic Masters sounds like a really cool set and I am excited
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ThePeavstenator posted:Can't wait to go to a magic event where the players are the least-weird adults there. What about the adults going to the convention with their children
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TheChirurgeon posted:I dont' know about going to Hascon, but I think the idea of drafting a set with no information about its contents is really cool. Seems like a neat way to really put your evaluation skills and instincts to the test. Shits going to get leaked prior one way or another
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Apr 20, 2017 16:25
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I can't wait to open a Shivan Dragon.
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Sampatrick posted:Iconic Masters sounds like a really cool set and I am excited We barely know anything about it besides the spoiler gimmick.
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both of these look fine, but even if you think the masterpiece needs to be a 1 for 1 representation of the actual card (which i can understand), i don't understand how you would whine about the aftermath cards not making you go out of your way to read them
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DangerDongs posted:I can't wait to open a Shivan Dragon. Same but unironically if they print it at uncommon e: And also with the original Melissa Benson art that loving owned and not the later garbage yellow turd art they replaced it with
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TheKingofSprings posted:What about the adults going to the convention with their children children...enjoying children's entertainment??? like that ever happens
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Sickening posted:Hmmm, what is hascon? just scroll down a bit and you will find the representation of our game that proves it's a centerpiece at the mighty hascon 
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When I think of "iconic" I think of basically Chronicles style stuff. To me, the cards that are iconic of Magic aren't necessarily the most powerful. Stuff like Ernham Djinn, Llanowar Elves, Hurloon Minotaur, Shivan Dragon, etc. There's stuff like Lightning Bolt and Demonic Tutor, too. What's iconic is probably different for different people depending on when they started playing. The announcement likely doesn't matter because we have like a 1% chance of both being able to attend HasCon and being able to play in the prerelease.
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BJPaskoff posted:When I think of "iconic" I think of basically Chronicles style stuff. To me, the cards that are iconic of Magic aren't necessarily the most powerful. Stuff like Ernham Djinn, Llanowar Elves, Hurloon Minotaur, Shivan Dragon, etc. There's stuff like Lightning Bolt and Demonic Tutor, too. What's iconic is probably different for different people depending on when they started playing. Is hascon really that hard to get into?
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BJPaskoff posted:When I think of "iconic" I think of basically Chronicles style stuff. To me, the cards that are iconic of Magic aren't necessarily the most powerful. Stuff like Ernham Djinn, Llanowar Elves, Hurloon Minotaur, Shivan Dragon, etc. There's stuff like Lightning Bolt and Demonic Tutor, too. What's iconic is probably different for different people depending on when they started playing. Basically this. Fireball, counterspell, dark ritual, Sera angel and so on.
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Sickening posted:Is hascon really that hard to get into? Don't most nerd cons sell out in under a half hour after they open registration at a random unannounced time?
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Rinkles posted:What's an iconic Sphinx?  not close E: I guess Sharuum might be kind of close because edh, but consecrated is also great in edh
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