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Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Tingfinder posted:

Why does all the media outlets seem to hate Corbyn anyway? Even The Guardian hates him.

Is it just because he's a socialist? His policies seem pretty sensible on paper.

ideology
Team Corbyn's poor PR skills (mix of inexperience, defensiveness and internal Labour party shenanigans)
dominant cultural narratives
useful idiots in the Labour right

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Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

tragically history turns on more than the actions of one individual, regardless of who they are - even Jeremy Corbyn

come to terms with your own powerlessness

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

jBrereton posted:

It was particularly loving choice that they had a candidate albeit not a great one in Angela Eagle, and then Owen Smith stepped right in front of her and white knighted about Jeremy Corbyn hating women before basically saying "yeah cheers for firing the starting gun love but now we're busy ok?" lol what a farce

I thought Eagle was a stalking horse and the intended candidate was Smith all along, which was why he was approaching MPs about a challenge back in March 2016

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

I can't believe members of the Conservative Party would tell lies.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

deadgoon posted:

what if the person in charge of the money, is held accountable by the people

money's superpower is unaccountability

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

True freedom includes the freedom to be abused and exploited. Heh. Guess you lefties just aren't ready to accept the real price of liberty. *works a backbreaking 60 hours a week, dies in poverty*

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

We do have to make allowances for the Americans, though

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun







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Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

man english people are hosed up

he's not one of ours thank christ

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Lawman 0 posted:

I'm we finally got to the stage in history that the world wars were actually one war now.

tbh a not entirely inaccurate summary

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun


seralan

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Hentai Jihadist posted:

labour's plan seems to be to just let the tories drive us off a cliff and then wrest the wheel off them while we're in free fall so they have enough time to be blamed before we hit the rocks

e: it really annoys me that the UKMT regulars seem to have basically come up with really in depth explanations for why we have to be cowards cringing in the face of nigel farage and the EDL or just generally apathetic about it. Pretty much just because corbyn supports driving off the cliff

I think the argument is that we basically already drove off the cliff when cameron committed to a referendum with no safeguards and/or the condem coalition destroyed our economy with austerity and/or forty years of hell neoliberalism. the actual process of brexit is the free fall

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

I thought the theory was cameron was expecting another minority result and another coalition and included the referendum in the manifesto to see off UKIP and quell tory leavers while intending to cancel it as part of negotiations with the lib dems. when the lib dem vote collapsed cameron was left with a referendum he didn't want to have, and it had to be a straight up yes/no question with no thresholds because that's what he gave the snp in their referendum in 2014.

either way, it doesn't hugely matter - this isn't solely an internal tory issue that can be exploited with no externalities. the EU has been a handy hobby horse for the right-wing press for decades, and the referendum has only exploded the issue to include everyone in the electorate. labour perhaps could have taken a sensible stand on it if they were in a stronger position overall - but not only were labour on the decline for years beforehand, but *ahem* certain people were also suddenly quite happy to actively sabotage the party when their chosen faction fell out of favour with the membership and the UK as a whole

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

jBrereton posted:

whatever the theory, he didn't have to do it, just like all the other times it was brought up. What were tory voters going to do, vote Labour?

possibly even more shortsighted a take than david cameron's

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

jBrereton posted:

yeah he played the long game by loving the country completely and then quitting in disgrace, good one mate.

yes, and your idea was even worse than that, you stupid gently caress. loving just lie in the manifesto about a referendum that is also a cripplingly divisive issue in the parliamentary tory party and a personal bugbear of the newspapers on which the tories are dependent for their popular support. I'm sure no one would mind the prime minister casually breaking an election pledge for no good reason. should be easy to pass laws after that. nigel farage would just give up and go home. you idiot. you witless fool.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

I don't think the Tory attack line of "Gordon Brown spent all the pounds" is particularly reflective of reality either.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

BobbyMoore66 was already taken

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

marktheando posted:

Alan Sugar is a rich oval office who made his money from lovely computers in the 80s.

I thought he lost his money making lovely computers in the 80s and his wealth is based on manufacturing satellite dishes for Sky, a business arrangement that had nothing to do with his (successful) vote to award broadcast rights for Premier League football to Sky in 1992

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Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

united cuntdom

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