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Are there any charismatic MPs within Labour's left? Who's likely to carry the standard when Corbyn wipes out?
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Being a beardy sandal-wearing leftist with no charisma isn't exactly conducive to popular support.
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May 6, 2017 02:28
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Being a suit wearing half-Tory wasn't either. Indeed. Ideally, in a nation of 65 million, the major left-of-center party could find a leftist or center-leftist to put forward as leader with some capacity to actually lead, though as an American I have no room to criticize.
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May 6, 2017 04:11
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Perhaps it's nothing but Blairs, Trudeaux, and Obamas from here on out and we should just get used to it.
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May 6, 2017 04:30
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Aliquid posted:How? Introduce a new currency and inflate your way out of debt. The wealthy would never be able to vacation abroad, but that's the only major downside I see. a) Their debt is still denominated in Euros, so that doesn't work, and b) even if it did, Greece is not a self-sufficient economy: they need to import necessities from abroad. Having a worthless currency makes this rather difficult.
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May 8, 2017 17:42
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Peel posted:all sane solutions to the Greek crisis are some variation on the debt being written off entirely why would anyone ever agree to that? What's your definition of sanity?
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May 8, 2017 22:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Thanks for pointing out why the neoliberal hegemony is insane. this hyper-rationality that Marxists ascribe to themselves, the ability to peer into the true nature of things and see beyond the hallucinations of the hated liberals, has not been much evidenced in practice. you'd think it would give them some practical advantage to be able to see the world as it really is and not be afflicted by these delusions, but...nope, apparently not.
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May 8, 2017 23:00
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rudatron posted:Wow you're a disingenuous poo poo. Just because creditors wouldn't agree to it, doesn't mean its not the only sane solution. People matter more than money, and eternal debt bondage is a piece of poo poo, i.e. not sane. Greece can't really pay it back, ergo it has to be discharged. I'm not being disingenuous, you're just being thick. Peel said the only sane solutions involve writing the debt off entirely. a 50% haircut wouldn't be a sane, reasonable solution to you, if it was enough to allow Greece to start growing again?
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May 8, 2017 23:19
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e: Peel you're still deliberately ignoring the predictable adverse consequences to what you're proposing.
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May 8, 2017 23:33
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If what you're saying is "here are the sane solutions, which are irrelevant because the Eurozone is an insane institution," then OK we're on the same page. If Europe were ruled by enlightened technocrat-kings, debt forgiveness might well be the optimal policy.
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May 9, 2017 00:08
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Badger of Basra posted:he also enforced a three line whip in favor of brexit when it came up in the house of commons what was the logic there?
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May 9, 2017 02:28
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hakimashou posted:Many people believe he's always been a 'leftist brexiter' and deep down doesnt believe in the EU for some outlandish kooky-left 'reasons.' There are plenty of leftish reasons to appreciate Brexit. It'll almost certainly tank the UK financial sector, for one, which means that the City's disproportionate power in British government will hopefully decrease. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Democracies are the governments that ignore votes, right? 48% of the electorate voted against Brexit, it wouldn't have been unreasonable for their MPs to express symbolic opposition, especially when passage was assured. It's just a bizarre, arbitrary use of the whip. e: oh poo poo Corbyn isn't a democratic centralist, is he?
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May 9, 2017 02:52
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Who can kinda box! That's the most important part of all.
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May 9, 2017 05:39
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A socialist leader could conceivably counterbalance their inevitable terrible press somewhat by regularly saying and doing things to inspire the populace and letting it go viral. People are desperately hungry for that sort of thing right now. But that would require being something other than a total void in the charisma department.
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May 9, 2017 06:27
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Iceland is doing OK, isn't it? Probably their Superior Nordic Genes.
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May 14, 2017 00:10
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I mean, if you're gonna lose, you may as well lose huge. It'll make the resurgence narrative that much more compelling ten years from now.
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May 14, 2017 06:24
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Oh yes, I remember seeing that interview where Corbyn condemned the Berlin Airlift for no conceivable reason.
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May 14, 2017 15:50
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Fallen Hamprince posted:oh gently caress is that real? No, I was mocking the list.
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May 14, 2017 17:15
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Fallen Hamprince posted:*extremely dialectical voice* what if thing is actually the opposite of thing, and vice-versa. owned libs When you really think about it, isn't freedom just slavery?
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May 15, 2017 03:42
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:In the West you are free* Also, to do what I want, any old time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UKh9zszngc
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May 15, 2017 04:09
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Baloogan posted:the british empire was 'bad' (but not exceptionally so, and english law is the basis for the world's law) but it gets serious points for being so cool and paving the way for global civilization overall I'd say the british empire was great. hooooooo boy.
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May 15, 2017 04:36
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Leninist Soviet Union was better than all other countries in its day The Kronstadt sailors sure thought so.
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May 15, 2017 04:56
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's always reasons, like when the British moved hundreds of thousands of Kenyans into concentration camps "The USSR was only as bad as the British Empire" is not the selling point you seem to think it is. So the record shows your government of choice is every bit as cynical, opportunistic, expansionistic, and perfidious as a Western liberal state. Given the lower standard of living, and the much higher likelihood of being purged for expressing the wrong opinion, what's even the point of socialism once you've accepted that it's as amoral as any other system?
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May 15, 2017 05:16
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Hodgepodge posted:and that's why we should be grateful for the neo-barons. i mean tithing our virgin daughters to them kind of sucks, but it could be worse. gently caress the barons, my family and I are doing that neutron star thing, that sounds tight.
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May 15, 2017 05:22
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i'm unironically a loyalist Don't you dare try to tie us to their thousand years of Tory darkness. Trump is at least funny.
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May 15, 2017 05:34
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Capitalism simply isn't equipped to handle an influx of immigrants, except in cases where land is cheap and abundant like the United States. List of government types with positive track records in dealing with mass immigration:
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May 17, 2017 20:30
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:America, United States of I just can't think of any non-capitalist states that are well-equipped to handle a surge of immigrants. Seems like the capitalist states are doing OK-ish. If there were a refugee crisis in SE Asia, would Vietnam handle it better than Germany?
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May 17, 2017 20:37
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hakimashou posted:Tony blair won three elections in a row and was PM longer than maggie thatcher. What? No he wasn't.
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May 17, 2017 23:59
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rudatron posted:rich people aren't actually that smart, and are totally incapable of either creating or maintaining the wealth they have access to, in today's society. That only comes at the expense of laborers. If they disappear into space, alone, they'll all die. I take it you missed the "fully automated" part.
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May 18, 2017 05:58
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Baloogan posted:Oh hey you independently rediscovered why communism doesn't work.
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May 18, 2017 06:55
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well that's bullshit. if you need me I'll be on Luna setting up a fully automated opulent queer cosmic social democracy.
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May 18, 2017 07:24
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we're going to almost totally suppress man's will-to-power and create a communist society that will be both gay and luxurious, but creating a being that we design from the ground up to help us out "for free" is inconceivable. how are you going to create new communist men if you can't even create new communist robots?
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May 18, 2017 08:26
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How is Labour polling in Scotland?
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May 21, 2017 00:18
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Karl Barks posted:stalin was hella good and the purge ruled sorry haters yeah, similarly, anytime anyone says anything in favor of "actually existing socialism" you have to assume it's a troll. I mean, lol.
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May 25, 2017 16:54
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Karl Barks posted:i support actually existing socialism see? lol
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May 25, 2017 17:19
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Yeah, there's no reason not to quadruple down on Corbynism at this point. Go big or go home. British polls are lousy and the last few polls may be outliers anyway, but if they are then Labour is hosed anyway, so whatever, go hog wild. Tacky-Ass Rococco has issued a correction as of 08:46 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 08:43
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Machiavelli was way cooler than that Nobel guy, he deserves a more prestigious award.
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May 28, 2017 03:23
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Nah, America is super good.
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May 29, 2017 04:22
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I just ate some BBQ ribs, due to it being Memorial Day weekend. Do Brits even eat ribs?Karl Barks posted:to people with no imagination America is at least 15% better than most cyberpunk dystopias.
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Clement Attlee's desiccated skeleton. go big or go home.
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