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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Dravs posted:

I'm honestly fine with people voting Lib Dems if that's what they want. At least they aren't outwardly fascists like the other 2 parties on the right at the moment. While they don't have plans to re-nationalise anything, at least they will not privatise the NHS any more than it already is, unlike what the Tories have got planned.

They totally will though. They'll get a 2025 plastic bag ban for it, so it is impossible to say whether it is bad or not.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

ikanreed posted:

Wow the laws of this institution seem like they're made of a heavy, durable metal

Sounds like iron to me op.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Doccykins posted:

lol looks like Nige didn't tell the footsoldiers about his master plan

https://twitter.com/TheMediaTweets/status/1193874100688584705
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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

GABA ghoul posted:

how is this real? :chloe:

It's a variation on the classical grandparent scam where you trick a technologically illiterate racist old person into funding advertisments for the opposition party.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

oliwan posted:

Wasn't it someone in this thread who said that Jo Swinson is the most attractive woman on British TV right now? lol

Is this what the porn ban did to them? Poor bastards.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

let’s get one thing straight. you cannot have a “skill wallet”. it is like “kudos”- the proper form is strictly “skills wallets”. there is no such thing as either skill wallets or a singular skills wallet. it is at once plural and uncountable, this is canon.

skills. wallets.

But what if there is only one skill in all the wallets?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Jose posted:

It's a pitiful amount of money for anyone who is regularly unemployed just like universal.credit which im currently on that is a whole £3 per month less

What do you plan to buy with your extra three pounds? Is it for the porn pass?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Bryter posted:

Audience groaned at Corbyn bringing up the effects of climate change in poor countries too. Why are you like this Brits??

Are you familiar with how the brit TV picks their audience?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

really queer Christmas posted:

So when is the election?

Jeremy Corbyn is already Prime Minister.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


*over 65

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

sending all my energy to corbyn  
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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Gripweed posted:

Is there a chance that maybe the exit polls were faked in order to make a potential Corbyn victory look like voter fraud?

If they fake the exit poll they'll have figured out a way to stuff the ballot boxes with fakes. If you're going for a coup there would have been initial allegations of Labour vote fraud.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Svensken posted:

So it seems like the LibDems and Labour split the votes which handed the Tories a bunch of districts. Would Labour have had a shot if the Parliamentary seats were distributed by popular vote rather than by constituency?

I think Labour, LibDem and Scots would have a slight majority if the numbers are final. The LibDems of course would join Boris.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Juliet Whisky posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50781738

"I don't want to leave the EU because my lorry drivers will be in queues and much of my produce is from Spain and France, but I still voted Conservative because of everything else.

"My decision was based on local issues."

Only 16-17 year-olds should have the vote what the gently caress is this.

"Kalecki 1943" posted:

But 'discipline in the factories' and 'political stability' are more appreciated than profits by business leaders. Their class instinct tellsthem that lasting full employment is unsound from their point of view, and that unemployment is an integral part of the 'normal' capitalist system.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

https://twitter.com/LukePagarani/status/1205488470472441858

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Gripweed posted:

I'm slightly annoyed to just find out now that Corbyn was the least popular opposition leader in decades. Up to the election all I heard was that the Tories and the BBC were so desperate all they could do was spin up the antisemitism smear, this was gonna be really close, he might do it, whatever the gently caress "Dinner Boy going to eat his eggs" meant. And then Corbyn eats poo poo, historically eats poo poo, eats poo poo to the point that yesterday's election will be used as a reference point for eating poo poo in future elections. And then suddenly oh yeah it turns out everyone in Britain hated Corbyn because he was a boring vegetarian substitute teacher.

I mean, all the polls were posted in the thread? And how many Brit people over 50 post in C-Spam, do you think?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Jel Shaker posted:

while I would like to think this would “clear out the dead wood”, in reality when people find nothing else changes they will either disengage or latch onto the next nationalist talking point (e.g cod wars 2.0?)

capitalism has melted the social bonds which a socialist left relies on

It's going to be Scotland trying to leave.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

therattle posted:

That is England only.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50770798

Overall (this was a UK election after all) the share dropped to about 32%, a drop of around 8%. That is a huge drop by any standard.

Sure. From the best result in decades. Who was the party leader then? Maybe you should put him in charge?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

hakimashou posted:

Putting to one side jeremy corbyn's other merits or failings, does anyone really still think that ""Constructive"""" ambiguity on brexit, or whatever stupid name they were calling it, was a good idea?

Don't think they were calling it anything? The old position was we'll do Brexit without the implied ethnic cleansing. Then the LibDems surged in the EU elections and the PLP got spooked/ saw a chance to get rid of Corbyn and pushed for a Remain position (supported by the membership, because they hate the idea of Brexit). They got it and now everyone dies.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

therattle posted:

It’s partly a matter of opinion, so it’s hard to prove either way. That said, voter polling strongly suggests that the reason people turned away from Labour was leadership, then some way behind, Brexit. That’s not an opinion, that’s fact. I do insist on making statements that can be at least partly backed up by stats. Telling me to gently caress off doesn’t change the numbers. I posted them before and I am sure I can find them again, if needed.

What you keep willfully ignoring is that the exact same leadership got a vastly better result in 2017 with broadly the same policies and campaign in in the face of the same right-wing smear campaign. It didn't stick then. The only thing that changed is the Brexit position and the Tories' categorical refusal to discuss any policy. Of course the Leadership looks shifty if they change their position on the one thing that dominates all news coverage.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Randler posted:

Do we already know when BoJo will present his deal to be voted on in parliament?

I think no one in the Tories is allowed to read it before the vote. It' in the manifesto.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

But he also wrote in the manifesto that no one gets to read trade deals before the vote and he gets to do a new constitution. Lol

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

hakimashou posted:

So much for 2024

Ah yes, the Times calls someone a Stalinist. How unexpected.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

AnoHito posted:

Why would someone vote for a compromise when there are parties running on the position they'd prefer outright?

If Labour took the compromise position on any other issue and said they'd, for example, implement some but not all of the Tories' austerity measures, you'd rightfully skewer them for it. Compromising and blindly following polls is how you get the Democratic Party.

That's not quite what was going on here since the policy is decided at conference by the membership. The old Labour position, pushed by Corbyn was to do a Brexit, but keep most everything the same, so they can say they respected the referendum while making everything only slightly worse. But the party members always hated the whole thing and only the 60+ demographic was really into it. For the parliamentary Labour party it was always mainly a stick to beat the Leadership with. So after the LibDems made gains in the EU elections the balance of power shifted and Labour switched to what used to be the remain position. Of course, since basically everyone here is dealing in bad faith the LibDems then switched to outright cancellation, but not really, as the only real Remain position, as usually pushed by the "liberal" media and Labour MPs. So now Corbyn gets to defend a policy he doesn't believe in while everyone calls him a traitor, the Brexit party acts as the conservative front organization it is and only runs in Labour seats, the LibDems and the Greens do a tactical remain alliance that does nothing except hand the Tories a few more seats and Labour MPs he has compromised with for years to keep them on board resigne because of "anti-semetism".

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

thotsky posted:

Corbyn was systematically denied opportunities to speak about Labour's manifesto, which had worked well for him in the last election. I believe that is the number one reason they lost.

The media, the opposition and centrist forces in his own party conspired to reduce the election to a single issue election, over an issue which, at that point in time, was a foregone conclusion anyway. Brexit will happen, eventually, and it will suck for the British. I think it's simplistic to say that Brexit is all the people cared about anyway, seeing as they were given little choice in the matter. Had Corbyn been allowed run a campaign based on actual politics, on class, values and policies, then the result would have been very different, I believe.

The charges of antisemitism were just one more smear in a number of outlandish claims Corbyns enemies and the media had tried to brand him with, and while I would hardly say that this one stuck in the sense that people actually believed it, it did serve to distract from his message and allow the media to cover Corbyn, but not his politics.

Was it a personal failing for Corbyn to "dither" on Brexit? I don't know; I believed in his early strategy of keeping out of it and letting the Tories be the party that tore themselves up over it. Why touch the poop before it's actually your responsibility? Ultimately, the traitors in his own party were the ones who scuttled this position, and after much damaging back and forth forced him to a compromised second referendum position. In hindsight I would have preferred that he told the remainers to gently caress themselves, and staked out a pragmatic Brexit position based around respecting the people's vote and perhaps a healthy dash of eurosceptism. I don't believe that would have helped Labour's chances much given everything else, but it would seem like a lot of the people he were catering to would rather have him lose than the party win anyway, so why even try?

The main thing Corbyn really should have done with hindsight is open the selection for MP seats. Trying to keep the PLP on board failed miserably.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Nah, won't be bated by ch4. Not mad at all.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Jose posted:

nobody in the DnD thread went iwth my idea of getting fat instead and enjoying themselves because it'll naturally go away after brexit

The owl did.

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