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I think in less than 2 months the world will be subjected to the spectacle of a rich and elegant old woman stepping on a political party's throat with her expensive high heels and killing it.
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Jeremy Corbyn or any other pro-russian anti-western mad dog becoming the leader of a country as important as Britain would be a terrible calamity.
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Hopefully britain can learn some lessons from france: "Macron’s ascendency could encourage those in Britain who would like to see another path open up. One that would help counter the kind of narrative deployed by May; one that could soften Brexit. A left-leaning Labour offers little solace in that regard. The best antidote seems to be a confident centre, one built on pragmatic, moral, optimistic beliefs, and, as we see in France, rich in potential. If Macron prevails on 7 May, the immediate effect of his centre revolution will probably be felt in France. But its most important effect should be to galvanise like minds abroad, and certainly here." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/28/macron-rise-extremism-not-inevitable-le-pen-france
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Related: Centrism being what defeats Netanyahu would be so indescribably wonderful.
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I worry for britain since it seems as though it may be becoming a racist and anti-immigrant country. If this is true, then the labour party and all progressive forces will have to make a hard choice between on the one hand giving up some level of righteous purity, and on the other, giving the tories, the racists, and the nativists a blank check to run the country any way they want, without reservations.
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May 1, 2017 03:09
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whomupclicklike posted:Is it not already? It probably is but it's too early to tell. If it's true, then labour will have to become an anti-immigrant party if it wants to accomplish anything. If they aren't willing to make that sort of compromise with themselves, then the NHS, workers' rights, and all that they cherish could be lost. It's not an enviable position to be in.
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May 1, 2017 03:14
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Mycroft Holmes posted:there's one thing that gives me solace in these trump filled times, and that's that no matter how bad it is here in the us, it's worse in the uk. schadenfreude sustains me. Yeah we have the moral high ground since trump only got in on a technicality, the American people were wise and picked Hillary by a big margin, but the brits legit voted for brexit.
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May 4, 2017 07:39
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Nonsense posted:SNP are probably bad because the Scots are just going to keep refusing to leave the UK. Yeah "scotland the brave" is some particularly lovely joke. In shocking news: the arrogant jackass jeremy corbyn has again refused to resign after leading his party to disaster in a major election.
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May 5, 2017 22:29
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He still refuses to resign, disgraceful.
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May 6, 2017 02:49
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:we wanted a slightly left of centre candidate but instead of we got a pile of turds in a lenin cap Quite literally  
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May 6, 2017 03:05
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Baloogan posted:hes power hungry just like everyone else Yeah his term of party leadership since the brexit vote has had as its only real accomplishment "clinging desperately to power."
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May 6, 2017 03:09
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Baloogan posted:if he wanted to help labor he would have stepped down during the coup He should have stepped down when David Cameron did, immediately after the brexit referendum went the way it did. As leaders, he and Cameron both had a responsibility to guide their people away from that decision, and failing to do it meant they had both failed as leaders. The coup/leadership challenge was a response to him not doing the right thing.
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May 6, 2017 03:11
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:david cameron wanted to be in the EU more than corbyn Corbyn's heart not being in it was no excuse. He was leader of the labour party, when he accepted the role he accepted serious responsibilities. Losing the referendum and clinging on to power was untenable, but he did it anyway and now the labour party is where it is. The corbynista / green party / far left types who went mad for corbyn believed, perhaps rightly, that this was their One Big Shot, and couldn't accept that the events of the brexit, something they didn't mean to stake their future on, would put a premature end to it all. I think many ended up with the delusion that simply clinging onto power in the party was enough, that eventually labour would 'get its turn' and then, by virtue of having dug in deeply and clung on strongly enough, they would get to be in power by default. Others had convinced themselves that Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown had lost because centrism was unpopular, and leftism was secretly what people really wanted. This argument will be demolished if Corbyn does worse than miliband did two years ago. I bet they'll find some other excuse though. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. But it looks like the labour party is going to be hoofing it for a while. hakimashou has issued a correction as of 03:23 on May 6, 2017 |
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May 6, 2017 03:18
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Being a suit wearing half-Tory wasn't either. We'll see in about a month's time.
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May 6, 2017 04:02
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You know who won a whole mess of elections and beat the tories every single time? Tony Blair
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May 6, 2017 04:26
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Perhaps it's nothing but Blairs, Trudeaux, and Obamas from here on out and we should just get used to it. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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May 6, 2017 04:33
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i dunno i reckon a blairite that didn't look like wallace from wallace & gromit would have done fine against the may Yeah miliband had a problem that was separate from any policy, his goofy gumpy looking face. I remember 2 years ago watching the leaders' debates and he would just stare directly into the camera with his eyes all big and googly to 'directly address the viewer' and it made your skin crawl. T May on the other hand has a real visage. She looks like she should be prime minister. She always looks very alert and earnest and capable and formidable. Whereas corbyn never stood a chance in hell, even an outside chance, because he looks like a shambolic communist held-over from the 1960s. hakimashou has issued a correction as of 22:04 on May 6, 2017 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You think the prime minister should look like a Skeksis? Yes
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Homeless Friend posted:
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Vox Nihili posted:Most of this isn't really true. Yes, at first they would not be considered creditworthy, but nations have survived defaults. Look at Argentina, which discharged most of its debt in the period from 2002-2010: I think they'd be hosed for quite a while either way, they dug themselves into a deep hole.
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May 8, 2017 22:45
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Man SA really needs a :neoliberals: emoticon One of those crazy eyes ones waving things around I think. A red flag in one hand, but what in the other?
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May 8, 2017 23:01
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Concerned Citizen posted:also corbyn said he won't quit even if labour loses horrifically, so lol labour is doomed forever DnD will cheer him on.
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May 9, 2017 02:01
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rudatron posted:He campaigned with his party. His sin was not resigning after the brexit referendum.
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May 9, 2017 02:12
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rudatron posted:He acknowledged the legitimate grounds for anti-EU sentiment, but I don't remember him ever saying it was a good thing. His position was untenable. He knew going into leadership that the brexit referendum was coming in a year. He was a leader of one of the two major political parties in the UK and he failed, just like cameron did, to lead his people away from the cliff. All the really ugly poo poo with corbyn has happened post-brexit, and it's happened for a reason. If your position is untenable and you don't do the honorable thing and resign, this is what happens. He bears all the blame himself for desperately clinging on to power like he's done.
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May 9, 2017 02:30
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:what was the logic there? Many people believe he's always been a 'leftist brexiter' and deep down doesnt believe in the EU for some outlandish kooky-left 'reasons.'
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May 9, 2017 02:31
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Goddamn that Jeremy Corbyn desperately clinging to a position he was elected to twice in a row. Yup, it's a stain that can never be washed off of him.
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At first when corbyn came on the scene I had no illusions and said picking him would make the labour brits insane fools, hadn't they learned anything from anything? But then I gave him the benefit of the doubt and bought some of the hype. After the brexit though, he showed his true colors and since then he's been nothing but self-destructive to any form of progress in britain. Either he is just a shitter, and that's why he refused to step down, or else he's some kind of idiot. At the end of the day it doesn't matter. He chose to do the wrong thing and it's having big negative consequences for a lot of people, and it makes him a shitbag.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:well i think corbyn is actually good tory spotted
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Hodgepodge posted:You keep insisting that Corbyn resigning after Brexit would be the "honorable thing," which I really don't see. He shouldn't have stood for the leadership if he wasn't prepared to take responsibility for what happened. It's why he's no leader at all, despite what it might say on the door to his office or whether or not he can order three-line whips. Brexit became the mess of every single british person once the referendum results came in. Cameron and Corbyn were the political leaders of britain and they failed in the most important task in a generation. hakimashou has issued a correction as of 04:44 on May 9, 2017 |
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Hodgepodge posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's leader of the Labour Party, which is in opposition, not the leader of the government or the effort to oppose Brexit? Making excuses for him won't change the outcome in June and won't make the last year not have happened. Labour became a shitshow after he refused to resign and it is still a shitshow now. That was the turning point. I know it sucks and its unfair that cameron's brexit ref spoiled the leftist renaissance or whatever, but the brexit is spoiling a lot of things, and that's just the way it is. Corbyn's position became untenable after he failed to lead his half of the electorate away from the brexit cliff. So did cameron's, but cameron resigned like he should have. The brexit ref was like a general election, but much more important, and both major parties lost. When you lose a general election you resign.
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May 9, 2017 04:48
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Hodgepodge posted:Except it wasn't a general election, it was a referendum called by the government. Which was their bad decision and their responsibility. Enjoy June 8th I guess. Corbyn was leader of the labour party, he failed to convince his half of the electorate not to vote for brexit, he failed as a leader. He's been a failed leader ever since.
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Concerned Citizen posted:labour's base was overwhelmingly for remain. the difference between bernie and corbyn is that corbyn is only 1 point more popular than donald trump, and widely disliked by his own party. so i think maybe corbyn might be the one who isn't really anywhere near his base The problem is, what is labour's base? There's the Party Member people who pay money to get to vote for the leader and call themselves "members of the labour party", and then there's the electorate, the people who vote for labour in elections and whose support the labour party can't win elections without. The Party Member types love corbyn, but labour's actual voting base without whom they can never win an election don't seem to care much for him at all, so you get the result you got a few days ago, his abysmal polling, and most likely, a bloodbath in June.
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Nanomashoes posted:The british press is terrible and sucks Tory dick every day. There will never be a labor leader that they like until their lives are being threatened by the mass communist uprising. If this is your standard for a bad leader then Labor will have to have a new election every week as the press slams each new sequential leader until the people wind up voting Cameron in for labor leader or somthing. “Politicians who complain about the press are like sailors complaining about the sea”
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Homeless Friend posted:also I can't be the only person who is always amazed at the sexual aspect of British politics right, like I dunno if it's different brand of conservatism but british conservatives really seem to kick it up a notch. Our sexual scandals & poo poo seem bland by comparison. You got big names /w posters of magaret thatcher about their bed for their entire childhood, ppl fuckin pigs, dominatrix may. What the hell is goin on over there. Our rapers n pedos or w/e seem milquetoast in comparison  He's a real member of the house of lords, that's a real prostitute's bra, and its real cocaine he's railing there on the front page of the newspaper.
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jBrereton posted:The level of contempt for the public by the remain campaign was pretty out there. The brexit-voting british public is literally contemptible though isnt it?
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Jose posted:hamprince probably wants blair back in power for another war in the middle east Blair is better than any tory and its disgracefully stupid that the labour party has turned on him.
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logikv9 posted:restore the power of the monarchy For real, democracy is not turning out well for the Benighted Isles. They're using it to do self-harm and it should be taken away for their own good. Look at the last couple years of british history and ask "could the queen and her family really have done any worse?"
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Fiction posted:blair is why you dumbasses have an unimpeachable tory majority You misspelled "corbyn"
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get that OUT of my face posted:what the gently caress is with british people in positions of power and pedophilia? this former soccer coach has over 40 cases of child rape, that shouldn't be possible Why did they do brexit? Why do they like corbyn? Britain's a hosed up weird gross place.
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