|
hakimashou posted:Hopefully britain can learn some lessons from france: they're desperately hoping that the right is so awful that it will make "economically conservative but socially liberal" look appealing it's the same mantra of "we're smart and good and right and not fascists so you have to love us"
|
#
¿
Apr 29, 2017 17:00
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 28, 2024 15:21 |
|
|
BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Macron is a big test. And I see comparisons between him and Hillary, but I dunno. Hillary seemed to have run to the left, however much goons will violently resist that characterization. Or maybe she was just all over the place. These other centrists seem to be different ... uhh... somehow. you might call it a "third way"
|
|
#
¿
Apr 29, 2017 17:03
|
|
|
MikeCrotch posted:Keep moving that Overton window! to the right it turns out that if you fight for the center, all it does is give all the ground to your left but they hate the left more than they do the right; they so desperately want centrism to be cool and popular
|
|
#
¿
Apr 30, 2017 00:27
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember the Iraq War? The thing that occurred after all that ended? Had you said Vietnam you might be in the right ballpark.
|
|
#
¿
May 1, 2017 02:57
|
|
|
jBrereton posted:Hey, in the words of Tim Farron, we're all sinners. don't you have to like, sacrifice babies under a new moon or something to be a tory though?
|
|
#
¿
May 1, 2017 11:46
|
|
|
jBrereton posted:*in stage whisper before this gets even more out of hand* that's probably for the best since i'm not sure sa posting culture is down with having sex with dead pigs between that and your red text you sure do seem to attract the notice of weird goons though Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 12:01 on May 1, 2017 |
|
#
¿
May 1, 2017 11:59
|
|
|
anime was right posted:corbyn is a wet paper towel with a couple really dumb ideas but is otherwise good ideally you'd be extra-absorbent; to soak up all the messes
|
|
#
¿
May 6, 2017 09:28
|
|
|
Corbyn may not be the Communist Britain needs, but he's the Communist Britain deserves.
|
|
#
¿
May 6, 2017 22:26
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:His position was untenable. He knew going into leadership that the brexit referendum was coming in a year. He was a leader of one of the two major political parties in the UK and he failed, just like cameron did, to lead his people away from the cliff. You keep insisting that Corbyn resigning after Brexit would be the "honorable thing," which I really don't see. Brexit was Cameron's mess, not his.
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2017 04:35
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:He shouldn't have stood for the leadership if he wasn't prepared to take responsibility for what happened. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's leader of the Labour Party, which is in opposition, not the leader of the government or the effort to oppose Brexit? quote:Brexit became the mess of every single british person once the referendum results came in. Cameron and Corbyn were the political leaders of britain and they failed in the most important task in a generation. As we here in the degenerate Canadian colonies understand it, the opposition is not really responsible for the government's messes.
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2017 04:44
|
|
|
Except it wasn't a general election, it was a referendum called by the government. Which was their bad decision and their responsibility. It seems to me that one would really have to be desperate to tie the opposition to a failure in order to decide that they're responsible for the governing party's mistakes. I get that you want the guy gone because he's a bad leader, but that doesn't make Brexit a referendum on Corbyn. E: A quick look tells me that his position was a pretty reluctant no on Brexit, and his own supporters opposed this because they shared longstanding criticisms of the EU with him. And his no position had to be careful to distance itself from the Tory position on the EU. Honestly, looking at that and coming away with the idea that he should resign over the outcome strikes me as a line of bullshit. Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 05:12 on May 9, 2017 |
|
#
¿
May 9, 2017 05:05
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:Enjoy June 8th I guess. Frankly, given that he was ambivalent over Brexit and that the EU does not appear to be popular, he may actually represent his party's base better than someone who was wholeheartedly for the no position. He may still be a lovely leader, but this line of argument reminds me a great deal of that of establishment Democrats who can't grasp that they are the problem. And a good look at why Bernie might not have won- because the Democratic Party, like Labour, is full of people whose politics are so far from that of their base that the two may require the invention of an FLT drive to ever meet.
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2017 05:23
|
|
|
Concerned Citizen posted:labour's base was overwhelmingly for remain. the difference between bernie and corbyn is that corbyn is only 1 point more popular than donald trump, and widely disliked by his own party. so i think maybe corbyn might be the one who isn't really anywhere near his base Ah, okay. My understanding is limited, so I'm bound to be wrong. Taking that into account, though, how was Tory support for Brexit? Like, if Labour's base was against Brexit, moreso than even their leader, then I'm not sure there was a lot he could do to make them more against it. The better argument against Corbyn here might be that Brexit revealed that his leadership doesn't reflect the will of his base. But he did show he was willing to represent their will on the matter, and it would also depend on whether this distance is present in his other positions. e: I've also tended to be skeptical of the idea that Bernie's popularity would survive his becoming the Democratic candidate, both because of party/media fuckery and simply because it's easier to be popular when you aren't the candidate. With the added factor of the incompetence of British polling being, last I heard, one of the more universally accepted causes of Brexit. On the other hand, I might accept the argument that he should use his leverage to negotiate for a leader who can represent his concerns in the party now, while he has some leverage. However, the people who want him to leave are also the most vehement voices undermining that leverage, no? Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 05:53 on May 9, 2017 |
|
#
¿
May 9, 2017 05:46
|
|
|
in america, i tend to mock those who wish to leave for canada over election results; all the people who really wanted that got out after the revolution. but for brits, it's sort of tradition!
|
|
#
¿
May 9, 2017 06:21
|
|
|
Remember when Napoleon tried to destroy Britain by creating a "continental system" of trade which locked it out of trade with mainland Europe? The British public is like "hold my beer." Except with no empire this time around.
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2017 00:50
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:That's pretty much how I feel about it. The brits all deserve it, they voted for it. And it was a betrayal of the US and all their other allies. nothing bad ever came of this line of thinking also lol if you think america cared about brexit ironically donald 'mr. brexit' trump probably cared more about it than his entire turnout combined
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2017 02:15
|
|
|
i'm confused, this sounds awesome
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2017 03:03
|
|
|
i've never been so glad that my ancestors decided to jump on ships bound for a viable colony
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2017 22:48
|
|
|
Baloogan posted:May is majestic and I wish we had someone just half as qualified and right for the job in Canada. *rips off Baloogan's mask* Andrew Sullivan?!?
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2017 22:49
|
|
|
MikeCrotch posted:Modern Britain is what happens when you have a country that was very powerful just after all the people who remember it actually being powerful have died evidently, it's closer to erotic roleplay
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2017 02:11
|
|
|
Fallen Hamprince posted:labour: entitled to mountains of worthless coal is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2017 05:38
|
|
|
logikv9 posted:the industrial revolution was a mistake, and i think we all know who to blame for that - posted from my iPlow
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2017 07:01
|
|
|
Baloogan posted:ive been a firm opponent of civilization it's all been downhill since irrigation
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2017 07:04
|
|
|
So he doesn't like it when British soldiers die, and this is bad? 
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2017 15:40
|
|
|
Fallen Hamprince posted:what the blairites fail to realize is that irish catholic terrorism is extremely popular with the british working class, and furthermore better fire up the troubles again, we need a wedge issue against commies
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 01:48
|
|
|
Pener Kropoopkin posted:In the West you are free* Fallen Hamprince posted:the the ussr the people were free to vote* quote:Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:12
|
|
|
Baloogan posted:USSR was one of the most if not the most horrible country in history on the face of the planet, if they are the bar we're comparing ourselves to then lol we're hosed Baloogan posted:western capitalism is sucking right now! there is nothing wrong with saying that lol the trick here is that western capitalism is internationalized, except when it is convenient for it not to be. it's not so bad, even now, if you're living in one of the dominant countries, but that is selection bias in a system which is global in scope. every system is great if you narrow the sample size to the cohorts it favours. globalization is no longer a thing that is happening, but a thing which happened. capitalism's last competitor crumbled over twenty years ago. the vast majority of people in the resulting political system have no vote, no right or ability to speak, and live or die at the pleasure of masters whose accountability for those decisions amounts to far less than the codes of chivalry meant to the nobility.
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:26
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:NK is so bad because of how like the USSR it is. north korean communism has less to do with communism than china's does if you feel strongly about north korea, you should learn about it: https://www.mhpbooks.com/books/the-cleanest-race/
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:32
|
|
|
Fallen Hamprince posted:in the year 2017 can vote for a communist party in every democracy in europe and north america. the major opposition party in the uk is in fact led by a far leftist who's finance minister quotes from the little red book in parliament. they just aren't guaranteed to win, because the entire ideology of communism spent the last quarter of the 20th century publicly making GBS threads itself and dying, and the few nominally communist nations left are either authoritarian capitalist dictatorships like china or complete shitshows like venezuela. yes i would like the medium spicy sauce on my nandos thank you you can also be a practicing jedi and start and vote for a jedi party and i promise to make the force and anime real and would like a big mac value meal with a medium coke thank you
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:35
|
|
|
there was a time when ghengis khan's empire became significantly less awful because he decided to listen to some buddhist monks and toned things down what you folks are saying is that it's cool that you haven't showered in three years because at least you don't poo poo your pants like billy
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:40
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:My fav NK book is Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader but its been years since I read it. it's not hard to draw parallels, but that does not yield any relevant insight and you haven't even bothered to try. not that i want you to; this isn't loving d&d
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:42
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:What are the bad things about North Korea? not having actually defeated the imperialist aggression of america despite the divine power of kim jong-un, comerade 
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:45
|
|
|
Fallen Hamprince posted:Try Leninism: It might not be as bad as living in *checks notes* the Belgian Congo if you think about it, black slaves had it pretty good because at least they weren't subjected to the immense pressure of the interior of a neutron star, thought to be so vast that it overcomes electron degeneracy pressure and forms exotic forms of matter
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 04:50
|
|
|
i, for one, am looking forward to the day when enlightened neo-barons patiently explain to their serfs that while democracy may sound like a good idea, it lead to the horrors of american slavery
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 05:08
|
|
|
hakimashou posted:Someone in the UK DnD thread earlier today was posting about how the the US Constitution was a terrible thing because it allows slavery. tbf the abolitionist movement in britain drew a lot of strength and pride from a legal tradition which stated that any man who set foot on british soil was free otoh god save the queen right?
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 05:12
|
|
|
Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:"The USSR was only as bad as the British Empire" is not the selling point you seem to think it is. So the record shows your government of choice is every bit as cynical, opportunistic, expansionistic, and perfidious as a Western liberal state. Given the lower standard of living, and the much higher likelihood of being purged for expressing the wrong opinion, what's even the point of socialism once you've accepted that it's as amoral as any other system? and that's why we should be grateful for the neo-barons. i mean tithing our virgin daughters to them kind of sucks, but it could be worse.
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 05:19
|
|
|
Fallen Hamprince posted:The great thing about living in the USSR is although your country is the perpetrator of many of the same human rights abuses as a colonial state, you aren't morally obligated to protest against them because you'll be thrown in jail if you do. shameful, hamprince. you failed to note that the ussr was itself a colonial state. you're never going to make it in the propaganda business, best leave it to those of us who know what we're doing
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 05:23
|
|
|
Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:gently caress the barons, my family and I are doing that neutron star thing, that sounds tight. fam, you don't even know what tight is until you exist entirely as matter formed from strange quarks
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 05:24
|
|
|
Fallen Hamprince posted:by colonial state i mean the state in a colony, like the administrations of the Raj or British Kenya, although even in that sense i guess all of the republics other than russia count to some extent the noble mujaheddin freedom fighters of afganistan certainly thought it counted as colonialism!
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 05:32
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 28, 2024 15:21 |
|
|
Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Don't you dare try to tie us to their thousand years of Tory darkness. a few generations of rule by the trumps and we may reach the glorious comedic heights of monty python
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2017 05:35
|
|