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The Management posted:watching thread jump off the rails and into an active volcano
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Stymie posted:i dunno, gosh maybe a stable balance between urban sprawl that wrecks the environment and teeters on a knife edge of sustainability and the hyper isolated suburban sprawl that keeps people driving everywhere and speaking to nobody Won't happen in this country it'll either be suburbs in the middle of nowhere or a small house in a crime ridden city until a nuke wipes the slate clean
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Apr 24, 2017 16:15
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 real cities are good, american "cities" are bad (treating houston as extremely representative of american cities)
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Apr 24, 2017 16:32
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houston is great, as long as you don't mind the humidity
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Apr 24, 2017 16:33
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akadajet posted:houston is great, as long as you don't mind the humidity lmao
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Apr 24, 2017 17:57
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Stymie posted:on the other hand, cities are environmentally catastrophic and utterly unsustainable actually, cities are the most environmentally sustainable way of life unless you want to kill 95% of people
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Apr 24, 2017 18:05
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:you want to kill 95% of people he pines for the return of a labour based society, this is implicit
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Apr 24, 2017 18:06
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Apr 24, 2017 18:15
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if the car is doing the driving, does it still count as road head?
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Apr 24, 2017 18:20
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Iridium posted:if the car is doing the driving, does it still count as road head? "why do you have to wipe your mouth off every time you get out of your car, Travis? you got a dick in that thing?"
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Apr 24, 2017 18:28
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really disrupts the gas, grass, or rear end economy tbh.
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Apr 24, 2017 18:31
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blowfish posted:actually, cities are the most environmentally sustainable way of life unless you want to kill 95% of people lol objectively untrue but let's keep pretending otherwise because otherwise you might have to give up some luxuries, the worst crime of all
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Apr 24, 2017 18:39
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Stymie posted:lol objectively untrue but let's keep pretending otherwise because otherwise you might have to give up some luxuries, the worst crime of all lol objectively true because retard levels of land use and everyone commuting by car 2x5 times a week are worse for the environment
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Apr 24, 2017 18:49
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the most unnecessarily luxurious lifestyle in terms of destroying the planet is owning a country home with a giant lot, the second most unnecessarily luxurious lifestyle is owning a poo poo-tier suburban mcmansion
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Apr 24, 2017 18:50
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the solution is clearly small communal societies organized around agriculture, like all those wildly successful ones in the 60s and 70s
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Apr 24, 2017 18:54
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dont own property? rule 36, bitch
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Apr 24, 2017 19:08
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infernal machines posted:the solution is clearly small communal societies organized around agriculture, like all those wildly successful ones in the 60s and 70s please scroll back and click the links instead of sounding like an idiot
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Apr 24, 2017 19:33
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lol. take it to dnd you nerd
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Apr 24, 2017 19:44
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please read my extensively sourced wikipedia pages before deigning to comment, lest you appear an ignoramus
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Apr 24, 2017 19:45
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infernal machines posted:lol. take it to dnd you nerd i see that you've resorted to ad hominem attacks. since you have obviously run out of your own logic and arguments i will have to assume myself the victor in this one-sided battle of wits.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:01
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morel ike battle of twits
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blowfish posted:the most unnecessarily luxurious lifestyle in terms of destroying the planet is owning a country home with a giant lot, the second most unnecessarily luxurious lifestyle is owning a poo poo-tier suburban mcmansion incorrect, living in a solid concrete hellscape with tens of millions of people crammed into a tiny footprint flushing millions of gallons of waste into the ocean all at once coupled with having to ship food and other resources over vast distances to keep them lurching along for another month is vastly more destructive again if you bothered to read or had a brain i agreed that suburbanism is destructive and going full agrarian isn't the answer either, but let's stop pretending that urbanism is anything other than parasitic, destructive and increasingly unsustainable in the face of climate change
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Apr 24, 2017 21:43
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blowfish posted:lol objectively true because retard levels of land use and everyone commuting by car 2x5 times a week are worse for the environment this, cities may be dirty and crime ridden, but at least they're efficient where as living in a rural shithole means new infrastructure has to be built to reach your tiny town, larger swaths of land gets encroached, and overall just costs more money to get supplies out to less people
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Apr 24, 2017 21:52
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infernal machines posted:he pines for the return of a labour based society, this is implicit i just want to circle back around to this one hahahaha "oh no, if i have to work a job where i actually have to do labor i will LITERALLY DIE" jesus christ it's actual work where you might break a sweat not a death sentence
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Apr 24, 2017 22:02
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computer touching is the most noble profession, as a few keystrokes from the mind of a genius can change a nation and dare i say it, even the world
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My Linux Rig posted:this, cities may be dirty and crime ridden, but at least they're efficient lol cities have globe-spanning, intricate networks of infrastructure and literally alter the climate by their mere presence, in addition to the other vast, irreversable environmental damages that their existence necessitates "things would sure be efficient if we just paved everything whoops looks like the sea level rose, sorry millions of people"
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Apr 24, 2017 22:20
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cities are marvelous pioneers in cost savings and efficiency for instance, just look to the NYC subway system for a clean, sustainable model to aspire to.
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Apr 24, 2017 22:22
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mishaq posted:computer touching is the most noble profession, as a few keystrokes from the mind of a genius can change a nation and dare i say it, even the world
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Apr 24, 2017 22:30
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Stymie posted:i just want to circle back around to this one not "i" will literally die. billions of people will literally die as they only live by the grace of modern technological efficiencies in farming
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Apr 24, 2017 22:45
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if your model for an ideal society is post-plague europe, that's cool and all, but accept the consequences
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Apr 24, 2017 22:46
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itt heavy duty stymieing
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Apr 24, 2017 23:17
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only the most egalitarian famine
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infernal machines posted:not "i" will literally die. billions of people will literally die as they only live by the grace of modern technological efficiencies in farming quit being reverse stymie and clink the links
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Apr 24, 2017 23:26
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why don't you tl;dr it for me, the layperson, and explain why this time the principles of social anarchism will magically not only function effectively for the first time in history, but also scale to larger societal groups?
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Apr 24, 2017 23:29
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infernal machines posted:not "i" will literally die. billions of people will literally die as they only live by the grace of modern technological efficiencies in farming hahaha yep if we don't have an entire unproductive sector of the economy finding better, more efficient ways to code fart apps and siphon wealth out of the pockets of the workers, we will see mass starvation get over yourself, engineering is not programming and programming is near-universally worthless
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infernal machines posted:why don't you tl;dr it for me, the layperson, and explain why this time the principles of social anarchism will magically not only function effectively for the first time in history, but also scale to larger societal groups? the entire point is distributed, decentralized communities try clicking the links you lazy bum edit: and though communalism is derived from social anarchism, it's explicitly not anarchism it seems to be working okay in Rojava, or at least it will until Erdogan figures out how to get his post-purge army to roll down and crush it
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Apr 24, 2017 23:31
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programmers are overpaid typists, you'll get no argument from me
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Apr 24, 2017 23:31
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cars that drive themselfs, or why we should look to the shining beacon of war ravaged syria for a vision of a sustainable future
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Apr 24, 2017 23:40
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basically if you aren't a fully committed Odonian you're wrong and evil
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Stymie posted:incorrect, living in a solid concrete hellscape with tens of millions of people crammed into a tiny footprint flushing millions of gallons of waste into the ocean all at once coupled with having to ship food and other resources over vast distances to keep them lurching along for another month is vastly more destructive it's 2017 not 1817, flushing our waste into the ocean is no longer mandatory. we 100% have the capability to build cities that don't wreck water resources. hell, even new york city, with all its gross and terrible infrastructure, doesn't dump its waste in the ocean also, shipping food and other resources over vast distances isn't as wasteful as you might imagine. Stymie posted:basically if you aren't a fully committed Odonian you're wrong and evil the odonians rely on corvee labor and gigantic earth-sculpting projects just to grow food
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