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murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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I wonder what the lack of editorial control will lead Milo to do now that he's out of Breitbart and has been made an even greater martyr-darling to the idiot right.

Pretty nice gothic lettering on that Milo logo at the event there. Quite teutonic. Not at all suspiciously reminiscent of a famously national socialist typesetting during a certain time period.

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murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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I think Carl might be trapped in a vise of his own making. If he owns up to being wrong, his followers might stop respecting him and his livelihood will be threatened. That or he's a sad, pig headed moron who can't admit fault, like a petulant five year old.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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bessantj posted:

Yeah who the hell watches American History X and thinks "That racist murderer has got it going on!"

They probably watch only the first half hour or so on repeat, or probably just the curbstomp scene in particular, over and over.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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This might be a little peripheral to what's being discussed in the thread, but I just came back from reading Kill All Normies and found it to be a very interesting read that's also sure to ruffle some feathers on the commentariat left. I've seen it mentioned here so I also thought I'd give it a recommend. While it deals with the typical right-wing culture warrior phenomena like GG etc. it also has some pretty scathing things to say about what's been going on in some of the more witch-hunt-y liberal progressive circles on Tumblr and Twitter.

While it's not a transformative manifesto in any way and doesn't try to chart a course out of the lovely discourse we see on Youtube and elsewhere, it's also one of the more even-handed accounts of the online culture wars I've seen that's still from a feminist, broadly leftist position.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Video game "journalism" has been in bed with the industry since the very beginning of people writing for video games in magazines.

Focusing on whatever happened between Quinn and whatever her games writer friends wrote about her as the flash point of some kind of sinister conspiracy against gamers displays a rather telling and sad lack of knowledge of the state the industry's always been in.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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murphyslaw posted:

Video game "journalism" has been in bed with the industry since the very beginning of people writing for video games in magazines.

Focusing on whatever happened between Quinn and whatever her games writer friends wrote about her as the flash point of some kind of sinister conspiracy against gamers displays a rather telling and sad lack of knowledge of the state the industry's always been in.

Edit: also why are writers who are friends of a person who is targeted by a harassment campaign in the wrong for using their positions to defend their friend?

E2: Quote =/= edit

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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It really is impossible to discern what portion of the 'chans are genuine nazis from those who are just parroting that poo poo because gently caress you dad, though when that's all you joke about you really are a broke-brained, tragic human anyway. Like the freshman who only makes dead baby jokes in the cafeteria, over and over, while everybody else is just a normal person trying to make conversation.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Lightning Lord posted:

Stop responding to these pepes, it really ruins the thread.

Just a minor tweak, but it reads much better now.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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I've definitely noticed that a person can say a lot of pretty racist poo poo for a long time, but when it's pointed out as being racist, the conversation devolves into a tedious, pedantic rhetorical marathon where what's suddenly the most important thing to discuss is the gall of pointing out that the racist poo poo being said was racist.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Ytlaya posted:

people who make jokes like this should be censured

Note to anyone about to lay down a righteous stroke on Ytlaya in the name of the free speech jihad, censured =/= censored:

censure
ˈsɛnʃə
verb
1.
express severe disapproval of (someone or something), especially in a formal statement.
"the company was heavily censured by inspectors from the Department of Trade"

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

We are all guilty of thought crimes just based on our gender

I assume you're a dude. We shouldn't be so delicate so as to completely discount the notion that we may have been affected by the culture we grew up in in some ways that might not be entirely positive. It's not like we're being called a bad person because of the gender we were born with - that would be loving stupid. Just that there might be blind spots in the way we view ourselves that could stand some introspective consideration. It could be an interesting conversation but unfortunately there is so much entirely reflexive "no fuk u this is misandry" overreaction to stories like the one in the article.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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business hammocks posted:

Of course actions and beliefs are conditioned by culture. Where else would they come from? I don't even think the rationals claim otherwise.

You'd hope, but I've seen some clear indications from Sargon et al that we're basically all free-thinking beings that are independent of cultural influences. I recall from a Destiny debate, I think it was, where he seemed to open up to the idea that culture might have some influence but then circled back to it all boiling down to people making poor decisions with culture having a minimal role in shaping how we act.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Intellectual honesty and logical consistency is a scarce resource in this post-fact wasteland, Stalker.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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boner confessor posted:

the two dorks in the first panel of this image are really misunderstanding why they were never hanging out with girls in the first place. it has nothing to do with their hobby

I think that cuts to the core of the issue of a lot of nerd assumptions about women's participation in different game scenes, be they traditional or digital. I grew up with girls who owned consoles, would later play D&D with, and so on. They were not on par with the guys in terms of numbers, but they were certainly present, and enjoyed the hobbies just as much and as "authentically" as the dudes. Which is why the idea that women simply aren't constructed to enjoy nerd media and only do it for attention or social capital is so alien and idiotic to me, but I can kind of understand that notion (but not the rabid commitment to it) if the people who hold it never met girls who enjoyed the same things as them growing up. Though it's also likely that they did, but dismissed them as inauthentic or abnormal and shoved it into the memory hole.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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NikkolasKing posted:

Did somebody post this?

Holy poo poo, it's an actually principled libertarian and not an opportunistic vulture happy to embrace fascism as long as black people get buttfucked? That's pretty rare to see.

It was interesting to see but ultimately pretty weak-kneed. It comes across as "uhhh libertarianism is not about swastikas, but if you like swastikas and stomping on minorities that's ok I guess but WATCH OUT kinda maybe uhhh don't take my lunch money please..." stuff.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Probably suggested minorities ought to be treated like human beings or something. Doesn't take much to trigger the kek-lords these days, I can personally attest to that.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Well, now we at least got to the bottom of whether or not love can blossom on the battlefield.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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I have a circle of friends with one guy that comes in now and then who I used to be friends with from childhood who's been sliding pretty deep into the meme hole for a number of years now. Tried talking to him a number of times but I fear it's a lost cause. He's a pretty typical underachiever gamer dude whose political awakening was when GG was in full swing. That tantrum really hosed a lot of people in the head it seems.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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It's worth a shot at least, next time I see him I'll try it out.

E: Thanks, by the way.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Destiny seems to be getting in hot water with the skeptic crowd after the Bunty video but holds his own pretty well. It's very interesting seeing how hurt and bewildered the skeptics get when called useful idiots for white supremacists and nazis when they exclusively poo poo on zany tumblr posts and holds them up as representative of the left in its totality, but will gladly accuse anyone left of center of being pro-gulag in the same breath.

It's also fun to see when someone is asked to come up with a real world example for why cultural marxism political correctness is bad and the only thing the skeptic can bring up is the NFL and youtube demonetization.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Golden One is like dysphoria.jpg. It's nuts. Had a dude friend who is now a lady friend who swoled the gently caress up a few years before she began transitioning. Went from a lankier Arnold to a Disney princess in 3 years, a 1 in a 1000 success story type thing. Very happy for her, though she wasn't far removed from The Golden One physically (or in terms of opinions...) for a while there.

Happy for Contra too! Didn't know she was transitioning, or even that she considered herself a she, though I guess it was kind of in the cards. It's been quite a journey.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Josef bugman posted:

I have difficulty seeing TGO as all that handsome.

Yeah. I've always considered personality to be a very important factor of handsomeness, and TGO's is... his ridiculous bulging legs straddle the border between idiot cargo-cult nazi odinism and straight up being a cult leader with his own little no-fap harem. I'd probably rather eat glass than spend ten minutes with him.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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nickmeister posted:

Does anyone know why TGO lives in Ireland? Seems strange for someone who's so into vikings and poo poo to move away from his home country.

It might have something to do with his day job. Or because he felt stifled by the anti-discriminatory zeitgeist in cosmopolitan areas in Sweden, though I don't know how much more socially conservative Ireland is. I've heard it's culturally more traditionalist in religious matters in many regions, though of course that might be wrong.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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zxqv8 posted:

Maybe Ireland has more sweeping green vistas for him to flex in front of?

Ireland's sweeping green vistas are really rugged and handsome, though I've mostly been on the west coast where it's hilly, damp and moody a lot of the time.

I think it would be easier for him to find green & sweeping yet rugged & handsome vistas by just driving a car for an hour or so out of any major settlement in Sweden though.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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IMF is just mad he got smacked around a bit, he'll get over it eventually.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

The International Monetary Fund?

haha oh dang that IS embarrassing

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Nazis will radicalize just fine on their own. De facto acceptance and tolerance will only lead to them being emboldened and will strengthen their resolve no matter how much you shake your head and tsk tsk at them. Until one of them does go Timothy McVeigh 2.0 no matter what you do.

Breivik didn't turn into a terrorist because of loving antifa.

If they're not sufficiently suppressed by the police, or worse, if the police tolerates and treats them with kid gloves, society will have to find other means to do the police's job.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Yeah, it's just one aspect of reacting to the presence of fascism in society, like OF says. You have initiatives from groups like Life After Hate who can pick up the repentant memers and people who grow out of it, the police (if they deign to do their job) can get the violent terrorist nazis off the streets or whenever a nazi demo turns out to be illegal or starts loving with the cops, like a recent one in Sweden. Nazi punching is not a means to an end, it's a spontaneous act of community self-defense in the then and there.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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What's Voter ID laws?

To be clear this was a rhetorical question aimed at fallenturtle, without quoting them for the benefit of those who have them on ignore, claiming that conservative americans would immediately fight against attempts by a police state to diminish people's rights, I know what voter ID laws are (thanks for answering, anyway).

fallenturtle seems since to have edited their post, so my question doesn't work as a rhetorical device any more. :(

E2: No, wait... nevermind.

murphyslaw fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Oct 25, 2017

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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I suspect it's up to being in a "debate" culture where simply talking the loudest, the longest, and drowning out your opponents enough until they give up and gently caress off means you win.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Anyone catch the H3 episode with Jordan Peterson?

I jumped into some random part of it and Ethan and Hila came off as gargling Jordan's balls real hard so I didn't have the inclination to stick around much.

murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Groovelord Neato posted:

he's also not actually left wing - he's a quasi-libertarian. whenever illegal immigration comes up he always makes the economic argument instead of the humane one for instance. also very pro-gun.

Destiny's pro-life as well, but refreshingly his stance isn't to restrict access to abortions (or contraception, which bizarrely usually accompanies a pro-life stance).

I disagree quite heavily with a lot of his stances but he's a pretty effective lightning rod for a lot of the youtube reactionary fury currently, so I think he's good to have around.

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murphyslaw
Feb 16, 2007
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Is this isn't going to turn into the sequel to the razer after-party, you're wasting your efforts imo

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