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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Goon Danton posted:

A number of western cartoons were boundary-pushing and transgressive in the 90s as well, at least on TV. Looking back, it's surprising things like Rocko's Modern Life or Ren and Stimpy were ever allowed to exist by the studio heads.

This is going MASSIVLY off topic, but I wan't to mention something here. Yes, Ren and Stimpy and Rocko were transgressive for their time. But transgressive in a "OH DUDE! THATS loving DISGUSTING! Were really showing the squares what's what!" kind of way. You see it in comics now and then. When the topic of underground, indy, transgressive comic makers comes up the discussion is usually reserved for guys like R.Crumb or pretty much anyone who ever worked for MAD Magazine back in the day. It's rare you see someone who is trusted to be an editor for Marvel or DC say they were a fan of say Alison Bechdel, who drew comics about life in the city as a lesbian. Or anyone who say wrote about race in a way that made white people uncomfortable. Or depicted LGBT people in a positive light.

Stuff like Steven Universe is still the exception, not the rule. Alex Herich, the creator of Gravity Falls, did an interview where Disney told him he couldn't do a joke where to old women kiss each other because The Disney Channel didn't wanna deal with the angry calls. When it comes to mainstream comics there is still a fight to depict LGBT themes to an extent. The biggest queer couple DC has right now is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy and even then their relationship is rarely explicitly depicted.

Edit: As for Amine/Manga. Back in the 90's-early 2000s that was on of the few places where young LGBT kids and teens got any kind of media that catered to them. Even though This one lesbian or trans character was depicted in a creepy way, it was still better than nothing. And it also didn't matter that a lot of Yaoi and Yuri or stuff with Trans characters in them were basically porn for straight people, people latched onto them because THEY were in it. Even I don't watch or real a lot of stuff from Japan today, a lot of that has stuck. Hell theirs a lot of big creators who are now making a name for themselves in their fields that were clearly inspired by Japanese media.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Aug 24, 2017

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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Lightning Lord posted:

A friend of his. The channel used to be them doing Let's Plays. She also drew the skull and I think she participates when he does twitch vidya streaming.

Btw the channel is just called "Shaun" now.

Yeah, I've never seen any of their live streams. I assume they are both still on Twitch? Because Shawn still posts drawling of him and Jen now and then.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

BEsides table breakers, has SA mods ever said no to a avatar?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Jonathan McIntosh is a bad games critic. At times it feels like the only video games on his radar are the ultra violent stuff that the big companies make. I never see him talking about stuff on the indy scene or even stuff that isn't violent. Like sim games like Cities Skylines or Project Highrise, The plot heavy stuff like A Night int he Woods or Gone home. All he wants to talk about is how violence is bad. What about Hearthstone?

Also The New Wolfenstine looks awesome.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

To be fair, he's not wrong about game developers trying to remain centrist in writing a deeply political storyline.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I wonder how he would do on the 2016 Doom.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

One of the top things I'll always hate the Alt-Right for is taking the term SJW. Because it use to refer to guys like McIntosh. Guys who were always going way to far into this stuff and eclaring everything problematic.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Discendo Vox posted:

"D&D terms"?

I'm assuming he means Grand Dragon and Grand Wizard. But even then I still have no idea what the gently caress he is talking about.

Edit: Ok, I know what's going on. THere are two other tweets before those.

https://twitter.com/JamesADamore/status/910541338961108993

https://twitter.com/JamesADamore/status/910542743645990914

Holy poo poo, this dude is a dumbass.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Sep 20, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

NEW CONTRA POINTS! :neckbeard:

The Left

Contra posted:

Political videos tend not to be interpreted very charitably (I know this video is going to be upheld by centrists as evidence I’ve “gone full Antifa” and by leftists that I’m a closet centrist) so I’d better state unambiguously what I think.

The character Tabby represents a lot of what I think is wrong about leftist strategy: the indifference to optics, the undisguised hostility to the ideologically impure, the sectarian nitpicking, the alternation between extreme optimism (“a communist revolution can happen in the United States and it will go well if it does”) and extreme pessimism (“neoliberal propaganda has so tight a grip on the general public that why should we even bother trying to appeal to them?”), the blurring of lines between recognizing the necessity of violence in certain situations and the aesthetic celebration of violence as an end in itself. Nevertheless I try to represent Tabby with some sympathy, and anticipate that my viewers will like her—my audience is at least 95% trans Antifa cat girls, but I hope that doesn’t prevent them from thinking about the critique.

The character Justine is a mouthpiece for a lot of my complaints about the left, and the recipient of some leftist criticisms of me (“you go to brunch with these people?”), but I chose not to represent her as an attractive alternative. She’s complacent, frivolous, and ineffective, full of derision for the way other leftists do things but not contributing much for her own part either. When a fascist comes knocking on the door it’s better to have Tabby there than Justine. To see if Justine can put her money where her mouth is we’d have to see what speech she delivers following the fascist speech. This YouTube channel is effectively my attempt to make that speech, and I can’t be the one who judges how successful it is.

I haven't watched it yet though? Kind of in the middle of another thing. But yeah, When it comes to the first paragraph on Tabby and the Antifa, as much as I cheer them on. She's not wrong.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Sep 24, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Josef bugman posted:

Urgh, I didn't know this.

Yeah...drat, Contra is getting to? I shouldn't be shocked but... :(. THeres another Trans Artists, the girl that does Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl, who's getting her Facebook false flagged, to the point that Facebook ahs warned her that if it keeps happening shes going to be kicked off it for good. gently caress, I wanna do more to keep this poo poo from happening but I dont know what.

But as for the video, i'll repost what I mean fromt he Internet Critic thread.

BigRed0427 posted:

Same here. If I ever had to pick between these two I will pick the Antifa Cat girl every time. But I do get where Contra is coming from in her criticisms of her.

For Example, with regards to the PSL chapter I've been to a few meetings of. No one wants a war with North Korea. NOBODY. Millions will die and possible doom the planet for good. And I will champion everyday to make sure that never happens. What I am not going to do however is defend the Jim Kong family or the DPRK Government. Or pretend that North Korea is some kind of Utopia. Any government that demands worship of it's leaders under penalty of law is immediately suspect to me.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Her video on Gender DIsphoria. It's Not EXACTLY my experience with it but It's a great video on what realizing you are trans is like. Or at the very least realizing "Something not right wit my body. The gently caress?"

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

While that article is good news, keep in mind that YouTube has also been demonitzing LGBT content for a while now. Even people like Tyler Oakley haven't been safe from it. Demonetization doesn't just mean you don't get ad money either, there's a chance your videos no longer appear on search results in youtube. And of course, youtube's terrible community mod tools allowing Nazis to get videos they don't like pulled all together.

Glagha posted:

Yeah I was never able to finish the Contrapoints dysphoria video. It was uncomfortable to watch which I'm sure is the point.

Yeah, buts it's also so accurate.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Sep 25, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

PUblic service announcement: Social Media platforms are not your friends.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


So I use to think Youtub e just didn't understand how their own site worked or how people actually used it. Kind of like all Social Media platforms that are then shocked to find out how many Nazi's are hiding in their branches.

THis is proof that Youtube knows just what the gently caress they are doing and wan't chaos. They are sending a clear message: We not only want you to not get paid by ads, we don't want you getting paid at all. All so they don't have to actually moderate and police their own site.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Sep 29, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Groovelord Neato posted:

it's fairly difficult to keep your cool when someone is constantly wrong and so sure of themselves.

Yeah, that's one place where I do disagree with her. It's hard to be a "Ice Cold Motherfucker" when a person straight up disrespects you or shouts poo poo to get you to react to them. Especially if that person thinks that you should not exist and need to shut up.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

So i don't think this belongs here but I don't know where else to put it.

https://twitter.com/biz/status/914329739988541440

So one of the founders of Twitter is getting Dog piled over not banning Trump and making a dozen of other changes to the platform but not doing anything substantive about harassment and he is trying to make it about "260 Characters is great guys, give it a chance!"

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Oct 1, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

How about a thread on the politics of social media platforms?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

That Old Tree posted:

The Crazy Facebook/misc thread sort of doors?

I was thinking less about the crazy people on Social Media and more like how Social Media is used. Like Facebook selling ad space to Russian astroturfers, or how Youtube's recent Ad changes affect creators.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Oct 2, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Groovelord Neato posted:

i remember during the travyon martin case people kept sharing a picture of rapper the game (who's a big dude covered in tattoos including his face) and saying that's what travyon looked like. one person did that to me and i got mad so i looked up the actual death picture of trayvon to show them what he actually looked like.

also gently caress that person for saying tamir "pulled a gun" on a cop. he was 12 and he was already playing with the toy gun. the cop blasted him before his car even came to a complete stop holy poo poo.

YEah, the Tamir Rice case is what got me to see Black Lives Matter was needed. Nothing like a shock to the system via white people you know defending the death of a 12 year old to wake the gently caress up.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I thought that guy being an Alt-Righter was old news. Isn't he the subject in these videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9tcl1yvhw

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

WampaLord posted:

This implies that a lot of the "rational" subscribers are probably bots/fakes/or otherwise non active users.

Or that leftists are much more willing to put their money behind people they like.

I also wonder how much of ,say, Sargon's audience is people like us who just wanna laugh at the stupid poo poo he says.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Yeah, that's true about the monitazation. But I would rather Youtube grow a pair and declare "No Harassment, No Racism, No straight up Nazi poo poo" On their site and enforce it well rather than gently caress over everyone who makes a living off of the site.

Edit: Also, I guess more poo poo is coming out about that story that was posted about Milo

https://twitter.com/UnburntWitch/status/916056559226044416

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/916041186124500992

I...I honestly don't know what to do about this at this point. Just...people my age who are out and out neo nazis have positions of power in business and government? gently caress.

Oh god...Now I just had the thought of some of the guys I work with becoming supervisors...Not all out nazis but...loving hell.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Oct 6, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

https://twitter.com/UnburntWitch/status/916120576825090048

Welcome to the poo poo show ladies and gentlemen.

Reading all this bullshit makes me wanna break something.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/916426658617454592

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

OwlFancier posted:

Whatever happened to him?

Depression is a bitch man.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Shock of all shocks, Depression is a lot more common than you think. Honestly, most of the people who were worth wild from Channel Awesome have either left and moved on or retired from making internet videos all together. I comes up every now and then but the Walkers are apparently totally clueless abut how to properly run an operation like theres.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

business hammocks posted:

I was about to disagree, but Brad's the one good dude who's still with them. He's just like that one chill guy who can be friends with everyone.

Is Kyle Kallgren still with Channel Awesome? I just follow his youtube. I haven't look at the CA site since Blip died.

Kyle is still around and making videos on youtube, but he left CA a long time ago.

Lupa (Now using her real name Allison and Movie Nights for her show title) Is good too. She was flat out fired by Rob Walker for going to the bathroom during a skype call or something.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Funny tweet I needed to share. For context, Contra did another live stream rewatching and doing commentary on her older videos. This is from the Alpha Males video.

https://twitter.com/mewuron/status/917733149081325568

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Has anyone heard of Peter Coffin? I just found this video of his on the whole Szechuan sauce thing and what it says about fandoms. I though it was pretty good.

Szechuan Sauce and Cultivated Identity-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHurovzyEWo

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Need ContraPoints no degeneracy
https://youtu.be/9BlNGZunYM8

How does she keep getting better and better at making these, how the gently caress does she look this good Andy dammit why can’t I look that good!

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


I crack up when ever this guy comes up. Like, the golden one’s peacocking make sense. He has a lot to show off. This guy is just a dork in his dads smoking jacket..

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

noether posted:

it's kinda funny how common this is with trans women. like I was basically a proto-incel for most of my teen years and I bought into the anti-tumblr rhetoric pretty hard for a while a couple years back. I know my gf was the same way pre-transition, and so were like half of the people on the trans subreddits and discords I use.

and then there's the /lgbt/ crowd who are just... a lost cause.

but yeah, looking at the golden one for too long makes my brain uncomfortable

DO I wanna know what’s going on in /lgbt/?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

loving hell...

Edit. I wanna write a thing for trans girls who have JUST realized they are trans. Basically a guide on how not to panic over the revelation and what to expect and what steps they could take to, for example, minor things they can do to alievieate gender dysphoria. A big one of them is “Get the gently caress off 4chan!”

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Oct 19, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I guess it’s just funny to trans women to watch someone who has gone all in on masculinity in its most stereotypical form, including everything toxic about it. Add all the nazi poo poo on top of it and he does become loving amazing Like he just walked out Of a third Reich propaganda poster.

Contra hit the nail on the head: of the golden one did not exist, us leftists would have to create him as a straw man.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Does anyone know the source of the clip ContraPoints used of the the TERF describing how men becoming more effemente led to the fall of the roman empire?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


THank you...oh gods it's over an hour long, gently caress me.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Ragnar34 posted:

Apparently The Golden One posted a response to Contra's video. Not gonna watch it because the thing with TGO is he only approaches likable when Contra is also onscreen mooning over him.

I'm assuming his video is a combination of flexing, failing to address the real arguments, making the same mistakes Contra made fun of, more flexing, and something about masturbation being bad.


I tried and had to stop after 48 seconds. Dear god, he is still making the 40K references!

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Reposting from another thread.

I think a lot of this comes from the fact that a lot of Trans and NB people have experience dealing with poo poo heads who demand a debate about if they are really trans. Mostly in the guise of "Just Asking Questions". This tends to make a lot of Trans and NB people put up a permanent shield. And we do need to get better at explaining to cis people what being trans means in general. That does mean talking to people may not be the friendliest to trans people. Otherwise groups like the Daily Mail are the ones who tell our stories and they are going after anyone who says anything remotely positive about Trans People.

And the "Problematic" Stuff needs to go away. Because it's basically become another form of respectability politics. And gently caress THAT poo poo. Im seeing way to many people chased out of queer and left spaces simply because they still think Hillary Clinton would have been a good president. And it's a lot of trans people being chased out by Cis people.

I trust that Contra knows what shes doing when she agrees to an interview with someone like that. Or agrees to a debate with the likes of Sargon and Blair White. I think shes wasting her time with the likes of them but I trust that shes not going to suddenly become a truscum. If you are cis and you see a trans person talking to a conservative or someone who hates Trans people, Trust Us. We Know what we are doing.

And she's not going to turn into Laci Green. Stop that. If/when the sex tape between her and the Golden One get's released then I'l entertain that idea but...god dammit. Please trust Trans people on this stuff.

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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

fallenturtle posted:

What the gently caress are you trying to say with your eyes, Sargon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZZ08icGvlQ&t=855s

God loving dammit. How is he this big of a loving moron?

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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Can someone post the link to Contra's debate? I normally avoid these but I do kind of want to hear it.

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