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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I actually watched it (Not knowing who Bunty is, I don't keep up with these people) ANd I thought this was pretty good. Bunty didn't come off as an rear end in a top hat or anything. His chat is a cesspool though.

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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Yeah, my ultimate fear is that Contra gives up because the tumblrites keep giving her poo poo for not being %100 "Right" On everything. I've seen way to many trans women chased off Twitter and such because they still supported Clinton and HOLY poo poo does that suck.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Where does Destiny find these people?

And what is Destiny's deal? Is he a "Rational" that is slowly moving left simply because "OH my god, these fuckers are all so stupid"

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Solitair posted:

The Guardian also published a novelist's account of why stalking one of her online critics was a reasonable thing to do.

Was this the woman who wrote "The black Witch" Or whatever?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Avenging_Mikon posted:

You make Jesus cry :(

Why do you hate baby Jesus?

Baby Jesus needs to stop freeloading and get a job. Stop freeloading off a hard working inn keeper and pay that drat drummer boy.

Edit: I MIGHT not know what we’re talkig about.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

https://twitter.com/ContraPoints/status/933457410903150596

Hey Hype my droogies,

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Something the Reddit thread reminded me. Sargon decided to troll the comment section with a comment about the documentary COntra mentioned and everyone is shocked he got that far into the drat thing. From there I learned that a Sargon is 5 minuets.

I love the internet.

Edit: and...I wanna watch Shawn's new video. But man...Alpha Omega Sin is a dumb rear end.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Nov 25, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I think what pisses me off the most is I see so many people ready to throw CoNtra overboard for this. I keep seeing other trans activists shouted at for far less.

Contra isn’t god drat perfect. And if your expecting YouTube people to be paragons of leftism, then your life is going to be full of disappointment.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

bessantj posted:

I still can't believe they did that. It's amazing.


Jesus, really? How did they manage that? N

LIke, one or two dude should couldn’t let go of the fact she misquoted Socrates. I don’t even remember what video it was

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Here we go, you wan't an actually good criticism of Contra. Here it is.

https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/934524751158136832

https://twitter.com/Hbomberguy/status/934545775186595840

Having actually worked and hung out with actual Tankies, I can probably come up with a better parody of a bad leftist that won't be latched onto like Tabby has.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Nov 25, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Praseodymi posted:

Can we nail down exactly what constitutes a tankie because it's been used for everything from literally any ML to 'Kruschev did nothing wrong, Hungary deserved it'.

For me the line is "Are we talking positively about the North Korean Government?" "Do we automatically take the side of a country, no matter who it is and who's in charge, simply because the US is always evil?"

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Josef bugman posted:

For me it is unapologetic support for anything and everything the soviet union did no matter how shite it was. That and Stalin worship which is just... yeah

Saying that it is a nebulous one, because it is how we are all seen by a large amount of people on the "centre". But it's good to examine ones own beliefs and ask how good they are for people every so often.

It's just, y'know, hard to make myself try and listen to Sargon without bursting a blood vessel in my eye.

Oh yeah. Sargon, at this point, is basically a 4chan troll who thinks he's an intellectual. I would love good conservative media, but it's like everyone is trying to copy Rush or Hannity at this point. No one wan'ts to talk about actual policy, just shout about Obama and Hillary. Edit: Probably because conservative media doesn't want people to know how bad the Republicans are loving them.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Nov 26, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


Now who is Meyer?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Groovelord Neato posted:

pro-mra transwoman.

h...how?

Edit: Nevermind. I got my own internet rabbit holes to chase. Go with God Contra.

Edit 2: Wait, i'm actually looking at her channel now. Her video titles seem pretty left leaning.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Nov 26, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Genocyber posted:

She has a few legitimately good videos mixed in with a bunch of awful conservative bullshit (agreeing with Trump's trans military ban, victim blaming some of the women coming forward about Weinstein, among other poo poo).

The day is going to come where we, as in the LGBT community as a whole, has to sit down and discuss how to reconcile with queer people who are conservative. Milo may be an extreme example but there are a ton of guys like him out there.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

The thing is though is finding people who who can have a real conversation with and who is just going to spend the time finding how to mock you and get under your skin. Because that's my experience most of the time. You don't want to actually listen to me, you just want to see how many times you can get away with saying "Tranny"

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

I said in another thread, but i'll read it later. I need a bit.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


No, but thank you for loving up my YouTube recommendations.

These lovely forums need a Youtube preview...thing

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

So...my thoughts. Coming from a Trans Woman.

Contra's heart is in the right place. I really think it is. I think actually talking to people, especially people who don't agree with you on big things is actually super important. Not doing that is what is one of the small pieces that is loving up the US right now I think. Especially for the trans community. We need to become better advocates for ourselves and our idea of what it means to be trans. (A Trans and Queer community that includes everyone who is Gender Nonconforming, none of this truescum, only two genders bullshit) It's going to be hard. It's going to lead to some uncomfortable poo poo. But we do need to get out there and tell out stories. Otherwise The loving Daily Mail is the one who gets to tell Cis people what being Trans means and that will end with all of us being dead.

HOWEVER!

With that needs to come with it the ability to pick out bad faith actors and people who just want the opportunity to either just poo poo on you, say terrible poo poo, and just make you feel as small as loving possible and NOT. GIVE. THEM. THE. TIME. OF. DAY! And I think Contra doesn't have that skill. The better way to do this I think is to grab people who actually want to listen to you. The Alt-Right is a super small minority, even among conservatives. There are plenty of Cis people who want to actually learn what being Transgender means and want to hear our stories but don't know where to turn. Hell there are a lot of normie conservatives who want to learn what it means to be be Transgender. Spending time on Alt-Righters is just pounding your hand with a hammer at this point. We change minds by going after the people who want to actually listen, not the ones who want to dance on our graves.

I didn't really listen to it the first time around but I think I really need to. Dylan Marron's Podcast "Conversations with people who hate me" Is all about him talking to people who leave mean comments about him online and just talking to him. The difference though is Dylan pre-screens the interviews and only does episodes with the people that actually wan't to listen and talk to him. Not the shitheads.

The Strangest thing about this is something I think we talked about before with YouTube personalities. I did look up to Contra. Even before she came out as trans as was the Crossdressing weirdo on Leftist YouTube, I thought she was awesome. Over time I started to tell people she was my queen.Now this poo poo happens and...it's not even disappointment, it's finding out someone you really looked up to is human and not this perfect being who is always right. That they will do things that even make you mad. Maybe this just shows that somethings wrong with me for putting so much faith in a YouTuber.

Edit: One other thing. Contra said she does not know how to talk to leftist. I do not believe that. Contra really sells herself short. THere were/are plenty of Leftist fans of her channel. SHe knew how to talk to them. I don't think she even realizes it

I'm relearning the same big lesson I learned after the 2016 election: BREAK. YOUR. IDOLS! There is no knight in shining armor coming to save us. The people next to you are all we got.

BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Nov 30, 2017

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Groovelord Neato posted:

jfc i went to michael shermer's twitter and he's one of these "free speech" guys. never have heroes, kids.

*Looks him up, never having heard him before.*

Are there any people from the Nu-Atheist Movement that aren't shitheels? Also, we have established that Nu-Atheism is just conservatism that rejects religion. Right?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

noether posted:

does zinnia jones qualify? she doesn't really do atheism stuff anymore, though

I think the relatively normal people split off into the "atheism plus" crowd a while back. no idea what happened to them after that, though

Did not know that. Only know her through her trans stuff. She pretty much just does academic research and porn these days. Right?

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

noether posted:

she does porn?

but yeah, most of the stuff on her channel from like 2007-2009 is atheism-related stuff

Eyep.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

To Be Fair, FemFreq did do the lovely thing of accusing Laura Kate Dale of all people of promoting GamerGate after doing an Interview with TotalBuscut on community moderation and did lead to people harassing her. It's the first time I was ever angry with that group. I think those tweets are from around then.

Edit: Here's the article: http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2017/08/16/totalbiscuit-on-dealing-with-the-hate

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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.


Ok, the Trevor Project is legit.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Josef bugman posted:

What is FYAD?

THis is THE eternal question of the SA forums.

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BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

YEah, I thought Contra's stream was pretty good.

I would say there might be another level to Contra and Singal's relationship that takes into account what other people on Twitter who worked with him int he past have said that I might be able to comment on. But thats a effort post and I don't care that much right now

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