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Guavanaut
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PiCroft posted:

He blames the complex issues plaguing Black America solely on fatherless households and posited that the government should intervene somehow to encourage fathers staying with their families (which isn't a bad idea in itself).
The government should intervene to encourage black fathers staying with their families by not locking so many up for bullshit reasons.

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You mean The Cathedral :argh:

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It's fun to see their reactions when a respectable study shows the opposite, like the UK study that working class white boys are the worst performing in education at age 16.
It's never to look at the performance of upper-middle class white boys and consider an economic factor, and it's definitely never to pull the same poo poo as they would were it girls or the 'race realism' if it were any other ethnic group and claim that there was some biological or genetic factor in the bad performance of white males.
Nope, this time around it's definitely the feminist anti-white reverse racist Cultural Marxists who are to blame.
But just this time.

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Casimir Radon posted:

Sadgon probably will be on the dole in 10 years.
At which point he'll either realize that his philosophy was wrong or go deeper down the rabbit hole and blame working women and immigration for him not having a job.

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PiCroft posted:

I am feeling no small amount of satisfaction that his preferred (fash) candidate got owned.
I would have thought he'd love Macron being as he used to define himself a classical liberal and therefore should be against regulation and welfare and all that.

Turns out when there's an actual classical liberal running against someone who's populist and pro welfare state but anti immigrant he drops all pretense.

mojo1701a posted:

I get that he might be stupid enough to think he can debate a Ph. D, but how does one convince an academic to debate a YouTube idiot?
I'd debate a Ph.D as long as it was on something outside their area of expertise, purely on the basis that any Ph.D who would agree to an internet debate outside their area of expertise is probably one who has spent so long looking at horizontal gene transfer in nematodes that they think they've got the one hottest take on 'why the West Africans are less intelligent' or 'bacterial causes of homosexuality' or some poo poo involving aliens.

On second thoughts I wouldn't, because that sounds like an exercise in futility as much as debating Carlgon.

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mojo1701a posted:

Yeah I'd debate a Ph. D if it were like, "Who's a better captain, Kirk or Picard?" or something superfluous like that and not like, say, Bitcoiners trying to take down Paul Krugman.
There's also the whole idea behind 'strong objectivity', that even if you're a Ph. D you still have your own inherent biases, even if you're better placed to deal with (or defend) those in the one area you're working in. Twin that with the fact that some of them get a big pulpit from important and legitimate work they have done and sometimes it goes to their heads like a few beers to your bad uncle at Thanksgiving, and they believe that they have useful input about things far outside of their studies. (James Watson I am looking at u)

Those people absolutely should be debated, and it shouldn't need to be other academics doing so, although someone like Winters who knows far more about the biases claimed by standpoint theory and their implications might be better placed to do so than I.

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wearing a suit, letting cigarettes turn to ash and sipping at a glass of rapidly diluting ice water while doing my vlog to show the viewer how masculine I am

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Al-Saqr posted:

holy poo poo I love his exquisite editing and the fact that he took a kid making an interesting point in a college room discussion but instead go " LOOK AT HOW EVIL CAPE TOWN UNIVERSITY US SDAjS:ALjdas;".
What was the context of that UCT video? I can't find one that doesn't have Rationalists shouting about it or appears without context.

There's a lot that can be said about finding ways to improve scientific epistemology, and strong philosophical arguments that increasing diversity actually increases objectivity as inherent biases are allowed to play against each other, and that's a worthwhile discussion for philosophy of science. There's also the way that science is presented as some uniquely European endeavor with the contributions of the Levant, Mesopotamia, and India often severely undervalued, and that's a worthwhile discussion for history of science. There's also the issue of what the end goal of science should be, where the funding comes from, and how that knowledge is used, and that's a worthwhile discussion for ethics of science.

When it comes to the science itself though, people have to do a lot of work with the best current models, testing and straining and improving upon them. Any attempt to disregard the underlying epistemological methods entirely can lead to dangerous things like total solipsism or climate change denial or stupid poo poo like What the Bleep Do We Know!?

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Avenging_Mikon posted:

Look up Rocking Mr. E if you want what happens when you read off a script live.
All I know about him is from the hbomber video and his twitter bio, which is "Upholding socially conservative and economically libertarian values, in a culture of moral insanity." :allears:

OwlFancier posted:

Also I continue to be unable to take white nationalism seriously in a Welsh/west country accent.

Alright my luvvers, oo faaancies a bit of a pugrum eyy?
New UKMT thread title spotted.

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Criticizing by appearance is a low blow and a bad tactic unless they are claiming to be the Alpha representatives of the white master race while looking like a chubby newborn.

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business hammocks posted:

Sex is often shorthand for community, intimacy, mutual happiness and anything opposed to isolation and unhealthy obsession. The idea is that if nobody wants to be around you, you're doing something wrong. Sex is the lowest intimacy bar to cross.
There are monastic and ascetic communities built entirely around abstaining from physical desires. Usually from an association with the physical as base and animal or from taking la petite mort a little too seriously rather than inability to interact with other humans in a sexually appealing manner, although with some of the traditional patriarchal religions there's maybe some crossover there.

I wonder if there's a point where incel/wizard communities transcend being built on bitterness about women and become something like that. I guess they'd have to become for something rather than just against things.

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Maybe he thinks that the Tory policy will disproportionately target leftists and Muslims and not people being smug and yelling about Cultural Marxism and the womz.

He's probably right too. :(

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Discendo Vox posted:

Well, dressing up as a political antique is a large part of what these people do.
I'm actually a Hobbesian monarchist who supports radical libertarian traditionalism and economic mercantilism. *shits self, rolls in poo poo yelling about muslim feminists*

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OwlFancier posted:

I don't think dogs can be antisemitic it might be a slightly too complicated concept for them to grasp.
There was the big thing a while back that police dogs were being trained to be racist, and it's been known for a long time in places like South Africa that dogs owned by racists tend to be racist.

Maybe antisemitism is a bit more complicated for them to pick up on, but the alt right manage it.

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Fados posted:

Same. What's even weirder is that this guy is a very late convert coming from a progressive family and chose Catholicism, after 'deep reflection' of all the options. I mean what the actual gently caress, coming from a hugely Catholic country my mind can't conceive of an atheist/agnostic guy searching for his spiritual awakening or whatever and ending up looking at a religion that's been pretty much superseded by the Reformation and recently devastated by a bunch of pedophilia scandals and thinking "Yes, that's the stuff!" :psyduck:
I'd guess being a 'high church' religion it provides a lot of group structure and rules and ritual that you don't get with the low church style worship, that has enough adherents in the West to make it possible to engage with/participate in, while being 'familiar' enough to not mark you as an outsider like converting to Islam or something but 'different' enough that you can see yourself as above all the plebs. That wouldn't be the case in a culturally Catholic country, but I guess the equivalent there might be someone actually joining the priesthood.

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mojo1701a posted:

Let's not forget that despite all the super important an-cap ideas, he still doesn't answer the "Who will build the roads?" question.

"Who will build the roads? Uh... I'm sure we'll figure it out. It's not important."
If they bothered to read a book (lol) then Kropotkin already answered in full the "who will build the railroads" question for an anarchist society in The Conquest of Bread, so they could just copy/paste that and replace "groups of free workers" with "rationalist Randian supermen" or whatever pish.

More evidence that an-caps don't even meet the superficial standards of being able to call themselves anarchists.

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Crain posted:

This reads a little close to reeeeeeeeeing about Chads.
The Incel stuff about Chads and the feminist stuff about the dynamics of abusive relationships under patriarchy does often read the same at a superficial glance, because they're both describing facets of the same problem.

There's a huge difference in that most feminists (outside of the small radical 'every woman should embrace political lesbianism' separatists) aren't saying that simply because they want the women to be having sex with them instead.

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Does that mean that the voluntarily celibate are the most truly rational? Because that doesn't seem right.

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Clergy aren't actually magical, they just dress that way.

And not all of them are celibate.

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So without listening to half an hour of drivel at work (or later), who is Sadgon going to vote for this time?

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Is he going to be part of the #libdemfightback or vote for the party that wants to ban dickheads from the internet?

I know Tories have a long history of voting against their own interests, but still...

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rkajdi posted:

That explains it then. He must think that nobody studies anything outside their major.
That's often the case for British degrees (unless they've started going all US style recently) outside of optional modules. But despite the lack of 'minors' they emphasize that studying something like philosophy, chemistry, humanities, or law will give you a skillset to better understand related things as a result of the methods or arguments or procedures that you learn. I wouldn't necessarily trust a chemist giving their opinion on climate change from a dataset, but I'd trust them more than a random youtuber.

rkajdi posted:

And why isn't the fact he's a dropout not the first thing that comes up when he's discussed? Maybe the UK is different, but at least in the US, failing to even get a GED is code for "useless moron".
I'd imagine that he probably got his GCSEs at 15/16 and then did something else instead of doing A-levels (17/18). Often that takes the form of getting a job while studying for some technical or vocational qualifications like BTECs or NVQs to advance. Or sitting on your rear end and doing internet rants.

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rkajdi posted:

That is different. Any reason why those degrees are as laser-focused? Sounds like the STEM barbarians over there would be worse than what we get over her, which is almost mind-shattering.
There are a handful of degrees that aren't, like PPE (politics, philosophy, and economics) which is often derided as not teaching enough about each to give any real knowledge while teaching just enough to make them think they know all about it. PPE grads are majorly over-represented in senior roles in Parliament.

Apparently there are a number of British universities offering major/minor degrees now, but they seem to be the 'less serious' option compared to single honours degrees where you have one subject and some optional tangential modules like 'ethics and epistemology in science' or 'media law for artists'. A lot of the more traditional optional modules for academic subjects ware almost trade/vocational in nature, like 'glassblowing for chemists', although that's probably been replaced with more managerial style optionals or 'annoying the supply store when you break something for chemists'.

It seems like a continuous winnowing process, where you do a wide spectrum of GCSEs (always at least English and Maths, without those is considered high school dropout equivalent, plus at least some humanities, arts, and/or sciences), if you then stay on to do A-levels you'd do three or four (or 5 I think, idk how the new system works) at more like AP/early college level, so the focusing down starts early.

I'm not sure why it is like it is, but every time someone proposes a major shakeup it's usually terrible (hi Michael Gove, who surprisingly did English and not PPE).

Engineers usually just become boilerplate conservatives or leftists, I don't think the techbro culture that creates "why not replace the government with technology!" exists as much in the UK outside of Bitcoin conferences. There is a certain type of scientist that gets given a podium and proceeds to be terrible, like Dawkins or Watson, but I think that's more "old white guy gets audience" than anything else.

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Gorn Myson posted:

Bullshitting about how hard you had it is also another British middle class thing.
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

I wonder if Carlgon's recent Patreon success has anything to do with the upcoming UK general election.

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OwlFancier posted:

Ehhhhh, I dunno about that. Fascism has not historically been especially socialist. There was socialist rhetoric employed in the early days of the Nazis but they didn't actually act on it, eventually it just became plain old autocracy.
That's because they murdered or drove into exile the entire left wing of their party. The Nazi left (which ordinarily sounds like a phrase only PJW would say while holding back tears) were socialist about nationalized industries and workers' revolution and cradle to grave social care. They were also terrible people about almost everything else.

If they'd won instead of the Hitler faction then Nazi Germany would have been a very different place in terms of economics and militarism, but they'd still have the 'National Rebirth' which would not work out well if you were gay or Jewish or made 'degenerate art'. It would have probably ended up more like the Arab Socialist Ba'ath states or how some of the African Popular Socialist states ended up.

And I think that's the key thing to bear in mind, you can be a socialist economically and still be a complete dick.

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OwlFancier posted:

Oh aye you can have autocratic dickhead socialism and the Nazis could have gone economically left but it's still hard to understand what is meant when people use nazi, national socialist, and socialist kind of interchangeably because they mean a lot of different things.
Yeah, too many people use them interchangeably as shorthand for 'authoritarianism' or 'bad things', and there's always a stream of right wingers saying "don't you know the Nazis were National Socialists, huh? :smug:" that it almost seems like baiting to acknowledge it.

But discussing in good faith you can argue that there was real Socialism in the early Nazi party, at least as real as within Scandinavian Socialism and the British Labour movement and the Farmer-Labor movement, without that implying that either socialism is bad or being a Nazi apologist. Unfortunately there's no shortage of people doing either, which muddies the debate.

Calico Heart posted:

After celebrating the hung parliament, I immediately whipped out my phone and got on twitter to see what Sargon had to say.

don't cry for me, I'm already dead
Did he say Magic Money Tree? Marxist youth? Did he cry that young people are idiots and the voting age should be raised to $sadgon_age - 1?

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Tories were certain they'd win a big majority. The country were certain they'd win a big majority. Britain's awful garbage press is always on their side. Corbyn was a terrorist loving pacifist anarchist communist stalinist antisemite according to all but two newspapers and half his own party.

When Tories think they can't lose, the mask slips. When they're scared, it's "the party of real choice" and "we need to present a positive future for Britain". When they're not, it's "gently caress the brain damaged olds, gently caress foxes, gently caress the internet, gently caress your human rights."

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rkajdi posted:

I thought Corbyn's wing of the party had an anti-semitism problem, or there was at least discussed to have one in the press. Not super-surprising, since populists all over the West seem to be cut from a common cloth. But I'm also always skeptical of anybody who rails against "elites" (i.e. anyone with post-HS education), because it's impossible to understate how dumb and awful the common man in the West is.
There were one or two members of the party who could not shut up about stupid poo poo like "Hitler was a Zionist". Now, in full non soundbyte form there was an interesting discussion about nationalism and ethno/ethnoreligious states there, but talk radio is not the place to be having that discussion Ken. Anyway they were suspended and world class human rights lawyer and former Liberty director Shami Chakrabarti did a full investigation into it. Which basically came out as "Muslim members and friends, don't be dicks calling your Jewish colleagues Zionists. Jewish members and friends, don't be dicks calling your Muslim colleagues terrorists. Other than that we're good here." And then the tabloids spun that as "Labour compares Israel to ISIS!"

Outside of that it's mostly I-P stuff, not alt-right 'edgy' gas the Jews stuff.

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So I guess they really like the GOP. I usually gave European mainstream politics a bit of an overall leftward vibe, meaning your conservatives tend to be less right than ours. About the only one of these positions the GOP wouldn't be for is fox hunting, and that's only because I don't think they understand what it involves.
Yeah the fox hunting lobby really hates farmers shooting 'their' foxes instead of allowing them to chase them down on horseback, and will turn up and threaten people who do so. As I understand it shooting stuff on your own land is a sacred right for the GOP.

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Dmitri-9 posted:

Isn't the EU a liberal institution? And he favors UKIP over Liberal Democrats, and he hates Universities. I think he is a devotee of incoherentism.
The EU is more neoliberal than classical liberal. People from the Carlgon/UKIP/Richard Littlejohn camp generally see it as a socialist institution, maybe because they give development money to some member states, but the state industry rules and things like CAP are very anti-socialist.

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business hammocks posted:

That's still going on over five years later. I don't even think there's a skeptic movement at all any more, and she still gets daily death threats. Thunderfoot moved on to fixating on Anita Sarkeesian years ago, and hundreds of people post death threats on Rebecca Watson's youtube videos about information literacy. It's insane.
What happened to the skeptic movement? I remember a side of it getting a lot more inclusive on race and gender grounds but still getting flak whenever they criticized religions other than fundamentalist Christianity, and another side which went way off the deep end of epistemology and started being 'skeptics' about the social sciences, which led to the new youtube rationals. Are the first group still around?

e: ^^^ I hope his autobiography is called Mein Kraft.

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Deified Data posted:

Haven't you heard?


PJW looks like he gets his glasses from Michael Gove. Also some of his genetic stock.

Guavanaut
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Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe that's why they're all so terrified of 'cucks'.

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boner confessor posted:

for some reason people get real cagey about making claims about math or science but when it comes to history or sociology you can just make poo poo up and assert your opinion as fact then accuse people who disagree with you of ignorance
The conservapedia guy is an electrical engineer who doesn't believe in imaginary numbers. It's rare (outside of 'science that affects policy' like climate) but when it happens it's special.

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BirdOfPlay posted:

Sorry these are picture tweets, but, sometimes, that's better.
https://twitter.com/Skullslime/status/874128994903351297
In stupid fucker opposites world, Nazis are good, but multiculturalism and multiracialism is bad. So does that make 'Nazi multiculturalism' the best thing or the worst thing to them?

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Lovechop posted:

despite telling people to vote for Trump, Le Pen and Theresa May, he still does claim to be 'on the left' yeah

no idea how but sure
According to this diagram of fine intelligent people I found, Carl is the sane rational centrist:

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PiCroft posted:

Yeah that's the name, I got them mixed up - Although I thought Hamon was even more to the left of Melenchon?
Hamon was a centrist democratic socialist, which is pretty left by modern discourse. Melenchon was even further to the left but had some ideas that put him in the weird left (alt-Left?) bracket like Germany being the world enemy and GMOs a plot of mad science.

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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

No Fap is due to the belief/theory the whole fapping releases testosterone and fapping too much releases too much testosterone from your body and makes you "weak"
So it's just a rehash of the old religious view that an ounce of semen is equivalent to sixty ounces of blood and losing semen recreationally is like blood loss and saps your strength?

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Truly the king of the Rationals.

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rkajdi posted:

Maybe it's where I live, but hardcore MAGA/bernout types seem to line up best with what could be nicely explained as losers. Un(der)employment, low education, and general low status. Even the MAGA types that actually have a decent job are the dumbasses who spit out a shortie or find some way to be cash poor while making a bunch of money. It fully could be Pennsyltucky and WV bleeding into the area, but I've also seen it in other areas while travelling for work.
Well yeah, it's unsurprising that the people who have done pretty well out of a system and who don't have to interact with the people who haven't are the people who are least likely to want radical change of that system in any direction, and similarly those that feel failed by it will want radical change without necessarily thinking it through.

Zizek posted:

The exemplary figures of evil today are not ordinary consumers who pollute the environment and live in a violent world of disintegrating social links, but those who, while fully engaged in creating conditions for such universal devastation and pollution, buy their way out of their own activity, living in gated communities, eating organic food, taking holidays in wildlife preserves, and so on.

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rkajdi posted:

Yeah, but the existing system works. Handing it over to the white chuds of populism (half of which are represented by the YouTube morons we mock here) has a pretty well-beaten track record of loving the economy up for everyone. If you're going to argue for some actual working social democracy (not the kind that puts whites or natives ahead) I'd be 100% behind it, but that doesn't seem to be the kind of thing that is supported by any of the populist movements I'm seeing. Sorry, you don't get to have sympathy in creating a new group of untested winners just because you were (rightly) found to not be all that useful.
The system where 8 guys own the same amount of wealth as half the world doesn't 'work'. Even outside of that the simple fact that it's that system that creates angry people who feel voiceless and become regressives should be plenty evidence that it doesn't work.
Does that mean giving in to their wishes and creating whatever kind of bad throwback system they want while still loving over other people? No. It does mean recognizing that a system that creates angry directionless people is a failed system though.

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Also glad to see you've fallen for the standard Zizek line of "packaging rightwing messages for the leftist", BTW. I never heard a drat thing out of his mouth that wasn't just standard social conservatism reworded to be eaten up by leftists. He's argued that the only moral possible Christianity would be some sort of Calvanist garbage, for Christ's sake.
He does fall back on Orthodox Marxism a little bit too much, but I don't think trad. Marx is in the same ballpark as standard social conservatism. It's just 'not liberalism' which understandably is outside the liberal-conservative spectrum.

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