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Sargon is infuriating to watch; I immensely appreciate Sean and Hbomberguy taking the time to filter his stuff through calm debunking and comedy mockery respectively. His points are completely contradictory and he's known for saying something dumb/racist, getting called on it then directly denying he said it. I haven't watched the Kristi Winters debate yet, but I did subject myself to the torturous "debate" he did with Destiny in the aftermath of JonTron's meltdown. He blames the complex issues plaguing Black America solely on fatherless households and posited that the government should intervene somehow to encourage fathers staying with their families (which isn't a bad idea in itself). Later, when Destiny was defending free trade and globalisation with the argument that the bad effects can be offset with government intervention to redistribute the gains of globalisation and aid and retrain those who lose out, Sargon said he didn't want it cos he didn't believe the government should interfere with the free market or whatever. Not to mention his ability to complain that the left have no perspective and whine about inconsequential stuff while moaning about feminist infiltration into Magic: The Gathering. Anyway, I'm disappointed that TL;DR didn't make the OP as he's basically Sargon, but with 10x the smug. Sargon has some small amount of charisma I suppose; I genuinely don't get how anyone can listen to TL;DR. even when I was a listener and agreed with Sargon's brand of politics, I never managed to sit through a TL;DR video without wanting to punch something.
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Guavanaut posted:The government should intervene to encourage black fathers staying with their families by not locking so many up for bullshit reasons. I agree, I was pointing out in a poorly-worded way that not having black families broken up in the first place would be ideal, such as ending the bullshit war on drugs.
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May 3, 2017 16:21
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Sargon did some kind of live stream to "investigate" Macron's leaked emails the night before the French election. I am feeling no small amount of satisfaction that his preferred (fash) candidate got owned.
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May 8, 2017 10:31
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Casimir Radon posted:Can Sadgon even speak French? I wouldn't try to "investigate" their election if I couldn't. He had a native French speaker on to basically interpret some of the emails. I didn't watch much of it tbh.
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May 8, 2017 14:36
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Sargon literally doesn't give a poo poo about intellectual rigour, it's no surprise he got stomped by Kristi Winters. Either he's deliberately posting bullshit and relying on his audience to accept it at face value or genuinely is a moron but doesn't have the honesty to correct or own his mistakes. Here he is smarmily asking antifa how they feel about ISIS using their banner: https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/861196505478201344  it isn't ISIS, its the YPG who just kicked ISIS out. He then expertly rockets the goalposts across several timezones by then going "well yeah but they're commies so six of one, half a dozen of the other"
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May 8, 2017 15:49
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Groovelord Neato posted:usually they do block (all the alt-right/race realists/maga chuds i get into it on twitter do) but you've lost once you've blocked someone unless it's legit harassment. Carlgon has blocked a bunch of folks himself, his latest being a woman who called him out on his repeated use of the Rothschild dog-whistle when attacking Macron. Not that hypocrisy has ever gotten in his way.
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May 9, 2017 09:47
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Archer666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpmwmW8Vwdo I'm still loving Poppy Noor's response when he did the same thing to her: https://twitter.com/PoppyNoor/status/859495940130054144 Maybe I should pack in my job and do the youtube reactionary circuit. Seems like it doesn't really take any effort to come up with material and it seems pretty lucrative. I'd have to think of a name. Something to do with dapper, top hats, logic, reason etc.
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May 11, 2017 09:35
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Low Desert Punk posted:Rough guesstimate, how many YouTube gaming channels are out there that aren't explicitly misogynistic and racist? Every single big channel I click on takes about 2 videos before they start making TRIGGERED jokes and making fun of feminists. Game grumps, Yogscast, Jim Sterling, possibly Total Biscuit although I haven't watched TB in years. E: also Joseph Anderson and Mark Brown AKA Game Toolkit, although they're mostly game analysts and critics rather than Lets Players. There's also Retsupurae PiCroft fucked around with this message at 21:57 on May 15, 2017 |
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I suppose Markiplier is good in the sense that he seems like a genuinely lovely person. Whether that's enough to tolerate his PewDiePie-esque content that mostly comprises of him doing screechy over-the-top reactions at various spooky games that would have otherwise only gotten exposure through Jim Sterling's verbal napalm.
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May 15, 2017 22:56
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I never realised what an awesome laugh Markiplier has. It's simultaneously infectious and the kind of laugh an evil genius would have.
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May 16, 2017 11:11
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I wouldn't downplay the impact the reactionaries have. For a time, I was briefly enamoured with Sargon's rhetoric and I've been a lefty for almost my entire life. The Islamic terrorist attacks genuinely terrified me and when you see the propaganda of "The Muslims are coming to breed you out of your countries!!!" and you're already suspicious of them, it can drive you into some very dark places. That's incidentally why Hbomberguy and S&J and others are so valuable. I'd already detached myself from Sargon before I discovered Shaun, but these videos operate along the same principle as an argument here, where you try to convince the audience, not necessarily your opponent. It's also why I get really annoyed when people like Garret say "don't engage, just laugh" or in no-platforming stances in general. You can laugh, certainly, but when Hbomberguy did that masterful takedown of Sargon's attempt at debunking the 1-in-5 rape statistics, it drove home just what ignorant charlatans these people are in a way that a pithy putdown or a "I don't debate nazis" wouldn't have. It also applied when Sargon started parroting pro-Assad memes like the girl crisis actor, the girl who appeared in 3 photos that were purported to be of different events at different times. Someone pointed out it was debunked and why, and suddenly Sargon looks like a moron spouting tinfoil hattery. I understand why people support no-platforming, but to me, the idea that people who can be convinced are being left to marinate in the toxic soup of reactionary ideas because some people won't stoop to slap down their arguments concerns me, perhaps because I once was floating in that soup.
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Lightning Lord posted:I personally don't think after the fact critiques count as "engaging" per se. I guess It's not the goose-stepping I'm worried about; they don't need to start throwing up the Somfin posted:I often wonder what would happen if you just played the Socratic irony card on every single thing that these fuckers say. Just let them spool out their underdeveloped philosophy out until it hits life story, then keep going until it becomes achingly, blazingly, un-ignorably clear that they're still not over the time Cassandra turned them down in high school and think that they would totally be getting laid more if she hadn't. I think that's probably the case with the more screwy ones (Stephan Molyneux, RooshV, Black Pigeon etc) who have very obvious woman issues, especially RooshV who Hbomberguy did a video about where he explained a bit about his past (short story: he was attracted to a girl he was friends with, found out she was dating another guy and eventually destroyed the friendship she wanted to maintain because he couldn't get over it). I've no idea where Sargon or TL;DR are coming from. e: Isn't Sargon married with a child?
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May 17, 2017 11:03
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OwlFancier posted:Replace the human with the machine, legalize the machine, criminalize the human, the machine can't strike, the machine doesn't need paying. Does Conservative HQ know you're leaking their manifesto?
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May 18, 2017 09:59
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Lollin at Sargon and Thunderf00t having a lover's tiff. Sargon gets really precious when someone calls him out on his edgelordery.
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May 23, 2017 10:32
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Who's itching for the latest Youtube Reactionary hot take of the Manchester concert bombing?
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May 23, 2017 10:52
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I don't watch much PJW because his persona is almost as obnoxious as TL;DR. I watched the Tom Avella takedown of his modern culture video and even then, his manner of speaking made my teeth grind. "ARRT is suPOSED to be Up-LIFTING, but NOW, its HORRIBLE, DISGUSTING, DEGENERATE and EVIL" his weird emphasis on words and obsession with listing modifiers, adjectives or examples (like I just did lol) makes every sentence tedious.
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I don't know why but I've never watched a Contra Points video entirely before. He's basically a hbomberguy mixed with Shaun and amped up to 5 million. I only wish his videos were longer because I love long form essays like some of Shaun's stuff.
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it shaun posted:Yeah that shaun guy is pretty neat huh. Love that guy Make more videos slacker!!
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I also got a good laugh at his "Unless you're an econ PhD, don't comment!" coming from a guy who sees fit to comment on just about every conceivable political arena, from actual economics to party-political stuff; From European politics to commenting on Syrian conspiracy theories. He's the poster boy for "As I say, not as I do".
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Wether Sargon is a high-school dropout or not is probably not that relevant given his pretty anti-intellectual audience, but his pompous high-horsing about "middle-class bourgeois elites" is rather hard to swallow from a man who, if his patreon income stays roughly constant between now and next April, will have a yearly income of ~50k or so. He is sitting comfortably between the top ninth and tenth percentiles of UK wage earners unless I'm mistaken. Very roughly of course, I don't know what fees Patreon charges, if he's got a working spouse, any children or if he has any other income sources (and also assuming his Patreon income remains relatively static until next April). He can be a high-school dropout for all I care, in fact it would explain a lot of his hostility to academia and anyone with a modicum of education in general, but his rank hypocrisy when he complains about elites and the like while he himself earns a very comfortable wage for being a British Alex Jones rankles me quite a bit. If I'd known this was the case (or if it had been the case) at the time of the Destiny debate, where he farted on about how Destiny was a privileged bourgeois, I'd have been screaming at the screen for Destiny to throw Sargon's own wealth back in his face.
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Mr Interweb posted:I watched more of that Destiny v. Sargon video and Sargon argues for like ten minutes about Destiny using the word "representation", used in the context of describing percentages of a group of people in some area (in this case, the growing percentage of women in engineering fields). Sargon does not like that word "representation" because he doesn't think the women in this fields actually "represents" women like say, a member of the House of Representative "represents" people in their district. I mean, in the context that Destiny was using it, it was a completely fair and valid use of the word, but Sargon just kept getting triggered every single time he used it. This poo poo is on the "well, Abraham Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN, libtards!" level of useless argumentation. I'm not willing to subject myself to that debate again to confirm a point, but I remember him whinging for ages about how the Government should "do something" to encourage black families to stay together but when Destiny said that the government should intervene to help people who lose out in globalisation, he suddenly became very precious about the government butting in. Sargon isn't a liberal or leftist of any type (let alone """Classical""" liberal), he's a bog standard right-wing small-c conservative reactionary with a bunch of xenophobia thrown in. He's obsessed with bandying about the term "idealogue" to throw at people he doesn't like, then makes a video whining that Corbyn hugged a victim of the recent Grenfall tower fire. I don't know why he insists he's anything other than right-wing, since he exclusively supports right to far-right candidates. He called Trump an old-fashioned "Man of the People" and couldn't unfasten his lips from Trumps cock at all during his campaign because all of Trumps policies (protectionism and anti-globalism but also anti-muslim and immigrant in general) are things he supports, even if he disingenuously tries to claim he's not a supporter. But other populists (Sanders, Corbyn, Hamon in the French election) are either ignored or attacked relentlessly. I imagine he's got a sizeable "brocialist" following which is why he pays lip service to some ostensibly left-wing ideas.
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Sargon is increasingly sounding unhinged - it's like listening to Glenn Beck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWWU1ILvWdQ
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Dommolus Magnus posted:Don't you mean Melenchon? Yeah that's the name, I got them mixed up - Although I thought Hamon was even more to the left of Melenchon?
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business hammocks posted:Someone posted this in the thread, and since I recognize Carl and Blaire White (?) I'm assuming the rest are rationals too: I recognize about half of them, which is depressing. Sargon, Shoe, ArmoredSkeptic, ComputingForever, MundaneMatt and I think That Guy T. I also *think* the guy just off camera whose eye you can see might be Chris Ray Gun.
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I meant the guy on the left hand side of the picture I quoted but given how much you can see, it could really be anyone.
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Pretty much every time Sargon does a thing that isn't just his editorializing over someone elses' work and parasitising actual journalists, he gets his rear end handed to him. He tried debating Kristi Winters, a PhD and got humiliated, his disastrous debate with Destiny (who to be fair, while I don't agree with everything he says, he clearly puts insane amounts of effort into researching and gathering citations and evidence for what he says, then goes up against complete retards like that "Race Realist"), when he tried to do an analysis of Assad and uncritically reproduced that crisis actor young girl conspiracy theory, making a fool of himself when he posted a mocking picture of brown men with AKs with an Antifa flag and thought they were ISIS when they were anti-ISIS militia... Acting like he has anything worth saying that can be backed up with any evidence is comical. He's Glenn Back with an English Accent.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:it's good that so many people are lining up with point-by-point refutations of his videos, in that case I agree, Hbomberguy and Shaun are pretty good in this regard.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:cool, i haven't really seen any of their work yet; any videos you'd recommend? Garret and Hbomberguy both takedown Sargon's attempt to debunk the 1 in 5 rape stats: Garret's original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekq3OLRz1ls Hbomberguy's video, which quotes part of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc24YtUslCU Sargon tweeting about ISIS holding an Antifa flag, getting mocked, trying to puppetmaster his way out: https://twitter.com/sargon_of_akkad/status/861196505478201344?lang=en Kristi Winters debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfCkp0Juao Sargon himself acknowledging he hosed up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlBqt_Q089U Shaun pointing out that Sargon (possibly unwittingly) shares White Nationalist progaganda and also his inability to read an article he's trying to criticise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9E2iEi6vMY I tried searching for the video where Sargon repeats the Syrian girl crisis actor conspiracy and the tweets that responded to it, but I can't find it and I'm out of patience, but the Snopes page dealing with it: http://www.snopes.com/cnn-same-refugee-girl/ Destiny Vs Sargon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq9TZciWpJw He's a terrible researcher and can barely read his own sources even as he narrates them. It's often difficult to tell what level of irony he's operating on, and the same for the wider reactionary community, because they have an obnoxious tendency to gently caress up through basic failures of fact-checking or even reading comprehension and then try to backpedal by claiming they're joking or it's """"""satire"""""". That alone makes them untrustworthy of acting as a media surrogate or a trustworthy source of information.
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Groovelord Neato posted:there's no irony he just attempts to puppet master after he gets dunked on. Almost certainly. But a good side-effect of me finding all those links is that I found that Shaun has uploaded a new video response to Lauren Southern! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbxVfSqtt8 Thank you Shaun 
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On the topic of Maajid Nawaz, Carlgon did an interview with him on youtube a few weeks ago. I didn't watch it because Carlgon but I wonder if Nawaz knows about Sargon/has any idea of his content. I'd imagine so if he consented to an interview, which I find very unsettling given Nawaz is an MP. Even for a Lib Dem, that's a pretty poor show.
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forkboy84 posted:Nawaz is not an MP. He was a candidate in 2015 but as with most Lib Dem candidates, he lost. Badly. Got under 6% of the vote. (Which actually means he did better than a large number of his fellow Lib Dem candidates, 340 of whom got less than 5%. Oh really? Shows how much attention I pay. I mainly know him from his association with Quilliam and Quilliam from Douglas Murray.
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Mr Interweb posted:Does the UK have a similar set up regarding colleges and universities as the U.S. does? Here, anyone can go to college as long as they're 18, but universities require either high school diplomas or a sufficient completion of college classes (usually two years worth in most cases). I think it more or less works similarly in the UK. University courses usually have a minimum requirement of grades from high school, but you can also go to college and complete HNC/HNDs which can count towards entry requirements. I think universities can also accept you if you happen to be experienced in your chosen area despite a lack of formal qualifications (like, you went straight into a job out of school and build a career) but I'm not overly familiar with the ins and outs of the education system.
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OwlFancier posted:Ahahaahahahahhhahahahahahaahh I knew Sargon was unbelievably lazy; I didn't think he would literally be too lazy to even clear his browsing history.
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Money may not buy happiness, but it buys stuff that makes it easier to become happy a lot of the time. Id buy myself a decent house, make sure my family is cared for and keep a chunk of change in savings/invest it to keep myself comfortable and I'd probably just donate most of the rest. I'm struggling to think of how I would piss away 5 million, 1.4 billion is like asking me what I'd do if I could control the universe - that sum of money is just so abstract to me.
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