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ephphatha
Dec 18, 2009




Might as well expand a bit on fuels for alcohol stoves. Adventures In Stoving: What's the Best Alcohol for Stove Fuel? gives a decent rundown of the different types of fuels and the recommendations are solid, but it's good to be aware of the regional variations when it comes to sourcing your fuels.

Summarised from that article: Ethanol and methanol are the main alcohols used for alcohol fuel stoves. While they both burn fairly cleanly and produce decent heat output methanol is highly toxic if ingested. Ethanol is safer (it's what you want in booze) and burns hotter making pure ethanol solutions the preferred fuel. Actually getting highly concentrated ethanol will vary depending on your region and it can be very expensive or outright impossible to find a safe supply. Denatured alcohol solutions are more readily available, these will generally be an ethanol solution with a denaturing agent to discourage recreational consumption. Often the denaturing agent will be methanol (methylated spirits) or some other potentially toxic additive, so care should be taken when storing/transporting it and before burning it. Next up would be pure methanol solutions (e.g. yellow HEET). While toxic methanol does have a lower boiling point which makes it more reliable as a fuel in colder weather. It would also be more readily available given that it is unfit for consumption and so isn't taxed as an alcohol. Finally isopropanol (rubbing alcohol, red HEET) can be used in a pinch but as it produces a lot of soot and is toxic methanol would be a better choice.

Fuels to look for:
  • High proof alcohol (190 proof, meaning 95% ethanol) - Might be available at a liquor store but will be expensive in countries that tax alcohol.
  • Ethanol Absolute (laboratory grade ethanol - 95-99%) - Could be sourced from chemical suppliers, however you need to be very careful as solutions above 95% cannot be achieved without an additive. Benzene is the most common additive and is highly toxic even at the small concentrations used for these solutions. Look for 95% ethanol.
  • Denatured Alcohol/Methylated Spirits - If you're in a country that bans methanol as a denaturing agent* you can find solutions of 60-95% ethanol with the solvents/cleaners at hardware stores and the like. You would still need to check the MSDS before using it as a fuel but if you can find 95% ethanol with no toxic denaturing agents you're golden.

For countries which use methanol as a denaturing agent ethanol/methanol blends would still be worth investigating. As ethanol burns hotter than methanol a blend with a good ratio of ethanol to methanol and minimal other additives would still be better than pure methanol solutions.

* For example, Australia and New Zealand do not allow methanol to be added to methylated spirits. 95% ethanol solutions are available at hardware stores advertised as solvents (Methylated Spirits) or stove fuel (Bio-Flame). Both of those products are effectively identical, the bioflame smells slightly better and costs twice as much.

Edit: I should add that alcohol stoves are popular because they're small and cheap, most designs can be easily constructed from aluminium cans with a pair of scissors and a small drill bit. Tetkoba's Alcohol Stove Addict is a great channel if you're looking at making your own alcohol stove.

ephphatha fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Apr 21, 2017

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ephphatha
Dec 18, 2009




I got a couple of the massdrop X klymit X pillows, they've been fine for my purposes. They appear to be a recurring thing, there's a round going on massdrop now that has 12 hours left.

ephphatha
Dec 18, 2009




Check out the hammock thread for more detail, but that gets you most of the way there for summer camping. You can get away with a sleeping bag inside the hammock in warmer weather, but the insulation between you and the hammock gets compressed and doesn't cope with air movement below the hammock. You'll want an underquilt to use it in colder weather. You can also use a (top) quilt instead of a sleeping bag to save a bit of space/weight.

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