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Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Fiction posted:

Every election the left doesn't win and perform at is a step closer to fascism. Remember that.

Excellent user name / post combo :downsbravo:

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Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
S'il vous plaît applaudir

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Yeah I remember when Bernie refused to concede at the DNC and didn't endorse a candidate

Melechon seems more like a HRC than a Bernie to me. :shrug:

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Alienwarehouse posted:

So it's a choice between a neoliberal technocrat and a protectionist nationalist?

What is Macron's position on immigration by the way?

I've read that he opposes "immigration quotas" and "wants to work with the EU to strengthen immigration" something-or-other.

As an outsider it's not clear to me where he stands on more/less immigration.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
AP can be both informative and funny sometimes.


http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae...1ecc3e1c6b8dd5c

Turnout

quote:

PARIS (AP) — The Latest on the first round of France's presidential election (all times local):
5:25 p.m.
Voter turnout in France's close presidential election is above 69 percent in late afternoon, almost as high as the last presidential vote.
The Interior Ministry announced Sunday that the turnout had reached 69.4 percent, compared to 70.6 percent in the first round of presidential voting in 2012.

After years of economic stagnation and high unemployment, voter disillusionment is exceptionally high this year, prompting expectations of lower-than-usual turnout

Polls have suggested that far-right candidate Marine Le Pen's voters were especially motivated to cast ballots while supporters of other candidates were less convinced.

Sunny weather in much of France may have played a role. Some pollsters also said an attack on police Thursday may have prodded voters into taking part in the election.

Candidates

quote:

4:25 p.m.

Even though the northern French town of Henin-Beaumont is presidential candidate Marine Le Pen's bastion, that's no guarantee of votes for the far-right contender.

Voters trickled in Sunday in a steady stream to polling station No. 12, an elementary school where Le-Pen had voted earlier in the day in the first round of France's presidential election.

Valerie Hosaert, a 48-year-old insurance company worker, says "there are 11 candidates and not one that pleases me ... so I'm voting for the least bad."

Charlotte Villette, 25, added "we don't have much choice. They're all losers."

Yvette Tifou, 67, a retired math teacher, said her choice was "relatively simple" since she is a long-time leftist. She also said Sunday's presidential vote is more important than past presidential votes in France.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Leftists pick up their ball and go home, then blame everyone else for the fascist getting in. I can see it all so clearly.

How does this differ from the American election?

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

wizard on a water slide posted:

for one thing, there wasn't a viable leftist candidate in the US election; sanders was the closest thing, and was out of the race and endorsed clinton months before election day

I was being sarcastic. In both cases the leftists blame others for their failures. In the US the 'racism' and 'misogyny' buttons got pressed so hard they broke.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

:laugh:

Race: Russian

+2 Hacking, +5 Cold Resistance

Addiction, chose one: Vodka, Krokodil.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Mnoba posted:

if you threw in a dozen terror attacks in the US and 200+ dead, and Hillary campaigned saying well you know you guys just need to get used to terrorism it's here to say

Hey, there are two weeks left before the vote.

Plenty of time to squeeze in another terrorist attack or two.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Mnoba posted:

i mean i'm no politician,

Have you considered marrying your high school teacher?

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

etalian posted:

I'm sure ISIS hasn't burned through their strategic loser reserve yet.

That bench is deep.

Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009

Payday DLC when?

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Helical Nightmares
Apr 30, 2009
May day riots and chaos.



http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2017-05-01-EU--France-Election/id-c9fb1101c95845938b0b1a943a04b676

quote:

May. 1, 2017 11:48 AM ET

Tear gas in France as Le Pen, Macron hold May Day rallies

By ELAINE GANLEY and ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press

PARIS (AP) — With just six days until a French presidential runoff that could define Europe's future, far-right leader Marine Le Pen and centrist Emmanuel Macron held high-stakes rallies Monday that overlapped with May Day marches and underscored the fact that jobs are voters' No. 1 concern.

France votes for a new president on Sunday, a ballot being watched closely by financial markets and France's neighbors as a test of the global populist wave. While Le Pen got an endorsement from her father on Monday, Macron held an emotional meeting with a Moroccan man whose father died years ago when he was thrown off a Paris bridge by far-right skinheads.

A May Day march attended by thousands of people in Paris was disrupted as scores of hooded youths threw gasoline bombs at riot police in full gear, who responded with tear gas and truncheons. One police officer was seen spraying a troublemaker in the face.

While supporters from fringe movements often disrupt protest marches in the French capital, they usually don't carry signs. Some of the violent protesters at the May Day event had signs referring to the presidential election and expressing dissatisfaction with both candidates in Sunday's runoff election.

"Not one or the other; instead it's the people's self-defense" read one sign. "Macron=Louis XVI, Le Pen=Le Pen," read another.

:laugh:

Workers in the union-organized march want to block Le Pen from getting into power, but offered differing methods on Monday. Some urged French workers to vote for Macron. Others refused to support the centrist, including far-left presidential candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon, who was eliminated in the first-round vote on April 23.

Wanted or not, Le Pen was praised by her 88-year-old father Jean-Marie, the co-founder of her National Front party. She expelled him from the party in 2015 after he reiterated anti-Semitic comments.

In a speech before a gilded Paris statue of his heroine, Joan of Arc, Jean-Marie Le Pen urged French voters to back his daughter in Sunday's runoff.

"She is not Joan of Arc, but she accepts the same mission ... France," Jean-Marie Le Pen said.

He denounced Macron as a "masked Socialist" backed by the highly unpopular Socialist President Francois Hollande. Macron once served as Hollande's economy minister.

"He wants to dynamize the economy, but he is among those who dynamited it," the elder Le Pen said, referring to France's stagnant economy and jobless rate of around 10 percent.

Marine Le Pen, speaking in a hall north of Paris, also skewered Macron, a former investment banker, calling him a "puppet" of the world of finance and Islamic fundamentalists. Cheers of "Marine President!" and anti-immigrant chants rose up in the crowd of thousands for Le Pen's rally.

Le Pen, who hopes to mimic Donald Trump's election victory, compared Macron to Hillary Clinton. She also sought repeatedly to puncture Macron's argument that he represents change, calling him Hollande's lapdog, the candidate of "the caviar left."

She also claimed that his pro-business policies would not create jobs but send them abroad and leave French workers hungry.
Macron, seeking to remind voters of the National Front's dark past, paid homage Monday to a Moroccan man thrown to his death in the Seine River amid a far-right march over two decades ago. Macron joined the man's son and anti-National Front protesters at an annual commemoration near the Louvre Museum in Paris.

The National Front traditionally holds a May Day march in Paris to honor Joan of Arc. But at the 1995 event, some skinheads broke away and pushed 29-year-old Brahim Bourram off a bridge into the Seine River, where he drowned. The death drew national outrage.

Standing Monday on the same bridge, Macron hugged Bourram's son Said, who was 9 years old when his father was killed.

Said, a chauffeur who supports Macron, said his father was targeted "because he was a foreigner, an Arab. That is why I am fighting, to say 'No' to racism."

Macron said, despite Marine Le Pen's efforts to distance herself from her father's anti-Semitism, "the roots are there, and they are very much alive."

"I will not forget anything and I will fight to the last second, not only against her project but against the idea she has of democracy and the nation," Macron declared.

Polls consider Macron the front-runner in the runoff, but the race has been exceptionally unpredictable.

Over the weekend, Le Pen was endorsed by Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, a conservative candidate who lost in the first round of voting. Dupont-Aignan shocked many French by agreeing to be Le Pen's prime minister, if she wins the presidency.
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This story has been corrected to show that Macron joined the victim's son, not his father.

Evidently this is what a French skinhead looks like




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Further May Day pictures

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/may-day-violence-france-six-police-injured-armed-group-hijack-paris-march





Helical Nightmares has issued a correction as of 19:38 on May 1, 2017

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