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jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

No that's sunday away. And she might (hopefully) not win.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 00:47

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 07:06

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Zas posted:

after brexit and the us election i would be nervous to be a center left dude with a 1-2% poll advantage

This is only the first round.

When it gets to the second he will probably do better, if he gets through.

The nightmare scenario for the EU and really for anyone French who just wants to get on with their life not caring about politics is a JLM-Le Pen win in the first round, because you then have a choice of a euroskeptic populist left versus a euroskeptic populist hard right.

The French are extremely unhappy with all of the candidates on offer so this is like the US election all over again.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 13:05

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

The second round is a whole other election, so it'd be Macron or whoever else vs Le Pen (who I think people have more or less decided WILL get through - probably rightly, because there are likely a lot of shy p�tainistes about). Almost the entire left except for a handful of super dumbasses will vote Macron over Le Pen in that situation, plus a lot of the centre right.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 13:16

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

lol if it ends up as Fillon - Le Pen though, that would be un spanner dans le works as they say, because they have mostly the same outlook in terms of being extremely French about muslims and so on but Fillon wants to sack a million public workers and extend the working week to 48 hours to reinvigorate the economy (mdr). At that point who knows who'd win, a lot of the left will not turn out.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 13:18

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Fallen Hamprince posted:

that graphic is for the first round only, the link has polling data for voting intentions in the second round as well and shows macron with a 24% lead in the Macron v. LePen scenario. Fillon and Melenchon do worse against LePen, 14% and 8% leads respectively. in the extremely unlikely event LePen fails to make the first round, Macron beats Melenchon by 20% and Fillon by 30. there's no data for Fillon v. Melenchon so if the two front runners get annihilated by a freak meteor strike it's anyone's game

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 14:02

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

zegermans posted:

you have the most petty and specific red text on the forums

I know, and it isn't even about anything I have personally ever said, some UKMT lurker just doles em out.

Fallen Hamprince posted:

most important france election q: which of the candidates is most likely to have sex with their close relatives and kill their spouse?

Well Macron married his teacher so probably him.

# ¿ Apr 22, 2017 15:56

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

So what you're saying is that if Le Pen somehow managed to win (she won't) it will be impossible for her to govern.

2 less impossible than Emmanuel Macron who has 0 members of his party because it didn't exist until about a week ago.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 16:30

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Horseshoe theory posted:

Not sure why they didn't simply re-elect Hollande if they wanted more of the same.

It's cool they elected his economy minister who is more or less to blame for the worst stuff.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 20:30

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Horseshoe theory posted:

Sounds like the happy ending that the French deserve, then.

en effet

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 20:40

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Le Pen will be a busted flush if she doesn't win, and they'll have a civil war between her, her niece, and presumably some guy who isn't a millionaire p�tainiste celebrity and is from the north of France in Autumn at their party conference.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 20:43

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Fallen Hamprince posted:

Massive tears ahead

https://twitter.com/benjaminhaddad/status/856235509475049472

mdr

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 21:26

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Helical Nightmares posted:

What is Macron's position on immigration by the way?

"Get used to it".

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 21:30

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Agnosticnixie posted:

I'm still seeing no site with actual results posted, it's entirely the ipsos preliminary results.

http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/23/french-presidential-election-1st-round-projections-macron-and-le-pen-go-to-the

Latest figures:

Le Pen on 24.38%
Macron on 22.19%
Francois Fillon on 19.63%
Jean-Luc Melenchon on 18.09%

With 20 million votes counted from France�s 47 million strong electorate.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 21:38

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

The translator on EuroNews just cannot keep up at all lol

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 21:49

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Fallen Hamprince posted:

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/856246512585670656

wow! what a great idea!

What a cowardly way to endorse Le Pen. gently caress him.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 21:57

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

"wow that's a big bouquet in front of her face!!" lol Euronews guy

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 21:58

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Agnosticnixie posted:

Yes, I'm sure the PCF is burning to vote for the nazi.

Sweating guy with 2 buttons .png where one button is support p�tainism and the other one is supporting Anglo-German neoliberal capitalism.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 22:00

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

SunAndSpring posted:

[in extremely brain-hosed lib voice] Uh, he's not endorsing the lovely austerity person that everyone else in France did? wow he's just as bad as the Nazis

Run the numbers in the lab and saying you'll put a vote on whether to support Le Pen like a limp dicked milicien online is the mark of a broke brained retard.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 22:09

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

SunAndSpring posted:

Sounds like it's just going to be choosing whether or not to vote for Macron at all, but I guess since you're a dipshit you think the communists are going to entertain the notion of voting for a fascist.

I think there are definitely people in France Insoumise who will more than entertain the notion of voting for Le Pen just to gently caress with the EU because they're idiots.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 22:16

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Agnosticnixie posted:

Right now the only idiot I'm seeing is the person entertaining socialists voting for a nazi.

I come from a place where enough people on the Left voted to leave the EU that it turned the referendum, I feel like some degree of worry that the same could happen in France is justified. Not all the Fillon voters are going to want Macron, y'know. And people might turn out in surprisingly high numbers for Le Pen and surprisingly low for Macron since it looks like a lot of people have already arrogantly assumed he's won the 2nd round in advance (which effectively happened in the UK and then the US too).

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 22:22

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

White Rock posted:

lol yes, neoliberals, centrists and anarchists should all shake hands to STOP THEM POPULISTS!!!

Marine's cool policy base that communists and anarchists should agree with:

- An end to ~judicial permissiveness~
- gently caress Off We're Full
- Blue Lives Matter

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 22:40

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

White Rock posted:

Far-Right French Presidential Candidate Marine Le Pen Has Surprising Gay Support

Turns out those groups are not as hiveminded as one would believe.

A handful of incredibly stupid white gays claim to like Le Pen for now shocker.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 23:23

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Condiv posted:

especially since the dems, as they currently are are what log cabin repubs have always wanted

Yeah but there's no frisson of voting for the Party of GRIDS if you do that.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 23:32

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

MizPiz posted:

So France is basically doing their own "Trump v Clinton but with the genders swapped" experiment, right?

No that would have been Fillon-Macron, this is a whole other step beyond that.

# ¿ Apr 23, 2017 23:37

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

White Rock posted:

hamon is much further center compared to M�lenchon. Universal basic income, more democratic systems and the legalization of pot sounds to me like:

What about taxing robots, pushing for democratisation of management of the Euro (and stopping CETA/TTIP), re-insourcing government supply chains, shortening the working week, and tightening environmental regs, which he also backed?

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 14:19

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Hamon worked for PS for years, unlike Bernie wrt the Dems, and he's to the left of him, so it's a bit of facile comparison.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 14:46

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Coolguye posted:

the gently caress is macron's platform i haven't been watching this election at all

"Get used to modern life, that includes massive job and pay cuts for civil servants."

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 15:33

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

A banker who does a bit of charlie on the weekends? Sacre bleu!

This is a vote between literal genuine fascism and the status quo, any scandal for either Le Pen or Macron is irrelevant, because it is a conflict of ideas and not people.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 18:51

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Peanut President posted:

Liberating Paris was the worst mistake we ever made.

"Actually it was the French who liberated Paris without any need for help from the Anglos, les Ricains, or les Russes." - your average FNer.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 19:06

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Nonsense posted:

Vichy France wasn't actually France - FN

Only the bad bits of Vichy weren't France. The forthright defence of French values, though, and the loyal sailors brutally slain by the perfidious Albion at Mers-al-Kebir? French as they come. -FN

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 19:09

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Al! posted:

i hope she is elected so that we can get lots of news stories that have the sentence fragment "le pen is" in it

Obligatory La Haine Scene

jBrereton has issued a correction as of 20:01 on Apr 24, 2017

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 19:56

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

She's trying to no longer be the face of FN and be the true candidate "au nom du peuple" I guess.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 19:58

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Maybe she's also trying to gauge who's going to be her main competitor inside FN in autumn when the party has a leadership election.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:00

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

*in extremely French chef voice*

Ze french election, she is like making a roulade. In the first stage, you try to make your little blob substantive enough to succeed. In the second, you spread. And then you see how ze public cooks you.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:05

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Chokes McGee posted:

When we said history repeats itself we didn't mean in the span of a couple of months

Hey, Wilders got his rear end kicked and that Austrian guy lost to some random Green candidate. There's more than one history.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:09

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Agnosticnixie posted:

The real academia espa�ola and the association of spanish language academies say hi.

Die 👏 Gesellschaft 👏 f�r 👏 deutsche 👏 Sprache 👏 is 👏 fictitious.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:17

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

walgreenslatino posted:

why do people keep saying this

Because Wilders will never form a government and isn't even the biggest party in a very multi-party system, whatever you may think of the deleterious effects of his campaign on the public-facing narratives of VVD and, to some extent, the now-dead PdvA.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:19

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Agnosticnixie posted:

That's because they call it the council for orthograph or something aggressively boring like that.

Both of those exist, the council for orthography is the follow-on agency for the spelling reform debates whereas the society for the german language is the more historied general organisation afaik.

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:30

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Coolguye posted:

yeah i get that but that's like saying the webster's dictionary says hi, it's not even remotely comparable to the stranglehold the french establishment has

It's okay to not die on this silly hill to die on!

# ¿ Apr 24, 2017 20:33

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 07:06

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

exmarx posted:

remember when that old front national guy blew his brains out in a church over gay marriage

I think dominique venner was so deep down the pied-noir rabbit hole he wasn't even in FN although I could be wrong on that

# ¿ Apr 25, 2017 10:28

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