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Clinton would have won under the french system because France doesn't apportion votes by acreage, but the legislatives would probably have hosed her presidential victory up because France takes gridlock seriously.
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At the end of the night, France is still going to have one less fascist elected than the US. Tragically Poutoumentum was not real, though.
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Apr 23, 2017 13:32
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"Based on my experience Le Pen has been president since 2000" - a very convincing argument Seriously reading this thread you'd think Le Pen has the majority of seats at the national assembly rather than the PS (she has 2).
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Apr 23, 2017 15:39
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It's not hard to imagine when his campaign is basically the "Bloomberg runs as the third party PUMA candidate" run at this point
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Apr 23, 2017 16:46
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Karl Barks posted:the french are vain as hell Literally why both leftie candidates have one or two days' worth of stubble.
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Apr 23, 2017 16:58
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:don't worry, Le Pen wont win, le bleu wall will hold Yes, tragically Le Pen would possibly win if the system to apportion votes was based on how many heads of cattle are in each department.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:42
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Azathoth posted:Could someone who understands French elections explain to me how she's a viable candidate for the presidency despite having only a couple of people from her party in their legislature? You get to be candidate if you can hoodwink 500 mayors to sign a petition for you, out of a bit over 36000 communes. Presidential candidates with little in the way of official party presence behind them are common as a result, and the presidency and national assembly aren't even on the same electoral schedule. Le Pen is basically a protest vote for people who otherwise vote UMP or Random Right in the legislatives, with only about half her presidential vote total ever materializing during legislative elections if even that.
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Apr 23, 2017 18:50
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We saw how well that played out in a country that establishes which regions has votes based on size and where literally 40% of the population would still vote for one of the major parties if they found a way to resurrect Hitler and put him in charge. The terrible banker is leading by nearly 30 points.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:29
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Condiv posted:"polling was right this time! that must mean it's fixed and we can trust it again!!" Polling was right in the US elections too. They were within the margin of error nationally in November.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:33
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"The fascist candidate won in areas where he polled with razor thin margins of defeat, polling has betrayed me" is the rallying cry of people who don't understand a thing about stats.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:38
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Because France's system is essentially built so that the first round allows a plurality of ideas (also because chances are most of that 6% would never have voted by someone endorsed by the PCF and it's hard to get over the ego trip of leading the majority party)
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Apr 23, 2017 20:00
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wizard on a water slide posted:Does anybody know enough about the culture of the French far right to speculate meaningfully on whether Le Pen's gender is a hindrance, asset, or non-factor in her chances? Mostly a non-factor; the tiny fraction that didn't want her in charge is represented by one of the 1% no hopers already and she's broadly anti feminist.
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Apr 23, 2017 20:02
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I'm still seeing no site with actual results posted, it's entirely the ipsos preliminary results.
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Apr 23, 2017 21:34
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Wow, who would have thought a banker wouldn't be too hot on leftism.
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Apr 23, 2017 21:36
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Yes, I'm sure the PCF is burning to vote for the nazi.
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Apr 23, 2017 21:58
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These are margin of error results, Le Pen is still not winning the runoff.
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Apr 23, 2017 22:03
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jBrereton posted:I think there are definitely people in France Insoumise who will more than entertain the notion of voting for Le Pen just to gently caress with the EU because they're idiots. Right now the only idiot I'm seeing is the person entertaining socialists voting for a nazi.
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Apr 23, 2017 22:20
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Le Pen isn't just a loving frexit vote. But of course in the brokebrained lib mind, the only political issues that matter seem to be summable with "but Trump" and "brexit" no matter what country this is clumsily applied to.
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Apr 23, 2017 22:29
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She didn't get a plurality. Macron's count started pulling ahead half an hour ago. Also Melenchon might just barely tie Fillon.
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Apr 23, 2017 22:49
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lol @ US libs who would really love the Macron Le Pen to be the real situation of Clinton Trump when it was more a Macron-Fillon runoff.
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So the sort of final tally, at 97% of the votes counted isMinistere de l'Interieur posted:M. Emmanuel MACRON 8 528 585 18,19 23,86 I gotta say, as much as I hope this shuts up the "But Trump" objection to polling, I know this is a vain hope. Those were some incredibly close margins.
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Apr 24, 2017 03:35
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It's almost twice his 2012 score (and his equivalent in 07 was Besancenot)
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Apr 24, 2017 03:44
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Tingfinder posted:Well, every single other political party gave support to Macron and urged to vote against Le Pen, so i really hope the people stop voting to shoot themselves in the foot. Fanaticism and extremism is a horrible way to counter fanaticism and extremism. Yeah, the nytimes is kind of slow on the uptake there. It's already been known for years that she changed literally nothing besides the packaging.
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Apr 24, 2017 07:42
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The french academy doesn't ban borrowings though. The last spelling reform included a ton of them mostly so that they fit the phonetics of the language (as spoken in Paris, lol). And there's a bunch of prescriptivists who would cream themselves if english had such a thing.
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Apr 24, 2017 19:41
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Coolguye posted:german, spanish, and japanese also do not have governmental governing bodies The real academia española and the association of spanish language academies say hi.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:13
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walgreenslatino posted:why do people keep saying this, PVV picked up 5 additional seats, they're the second largest party in the House Isn't "second party in the house" really not much of an accomplishment in a country like the Netherlands with their clown car of political parties?
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Apr 24, 2017 20:17
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jBrereton posted:Die 👏 Gesellschaft 👏 für 👏 deutsche 👏 Sprache 👏 is 👏 fictitious. That's because they call it the council for orthograph or something aggressively boring like that.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:20
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The stranglehold the french academy has is a fantasy, people use english words all the goddamn time.
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Apr 24, 2017 20:30
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Meanwhile back in America "Well you know, I may think he's a dangerous, unhinged fascist, but I think dropping bombs on Syria was very presidential"
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Apr 24, 2017 20:48
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Apr 25, 2017 04:12
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jBrereton posted:I think dominique venner was so deep down the pied-noir rabbit hole he wasn't even in FN although I could be wrong on that It's more that he was basically the originator; pretty much everyone on the french far right saw him as a political prophet, including Marine.
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Chokes McGee posted:* does not apply if not white or heterosexual Macron had ongoing rumors that he had a male lover on the side during the elections, doesn't seem to have hurt that much.
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Apr 25, 2017 21:21
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I don't think the cultural values of medieval England have anything to do with Macron or Melenchon but that's just me.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:17
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i'm extremely horny for city of london death loving up english banks is almost as presidential as having a mistress.
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Apr 27, 2017 05:12
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His hometown is in the middle of Le Pen-land (she got 30% in the department as a whole).
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Apr 27, 2017 09:03
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She can't handle anything beyond softballs in general since she's a crazed ultracatholic with about as much ability to handle hard questions as her aunt and grandpa.
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Apr 28, 2017 20:52
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hakimashou posted:How can you be French and be a Vichy like Le Pen? I imagine it's very easy when you spent your youth trying to establish a fascist dictatorship in France and were involved with the pied-noirs' attempts to pull a Franco.
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Apr 28, 2017 21:10
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So Melenchon has put out a statement that was basically "I will not vote Le Pen and I call on you to not make this terrible mistake", which I'm sure still has anglo media holding their breaths and ready to blame France Insoumise rather than the actually likely guilty party, namely the roughly 30-50% of Republican voters who are probably going to give Le Pen most of her runoff bump. Also he's definitely calling on people to focus on the legislatives.
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Did u know Bismarck and Nicholas II were really leftists? Really makes u think
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I'm sure her votes are going to get her that much vaunted electoral college victory somehow.
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