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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Marcon's platform is MILF Lives Matter

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

logikv9 posted:

Le Pen will win because you should always assume the worst from humanity

Plus the whole year was bizarro world

-Brexit
-Trump winning despite Hillary being the most qualified canidate ever
-NE Patriots make one of the the biggest comebacks in Super Bowl history after scoring just 3 points in the first half
-A democratic socialist from a small rural state gives Yaas Queen a big campaign fight
-Turkey votes Yes to wrecking their parliamentary system in favor of a much stronger executive branch

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Condiv posted:

this is a natural result of having your candidates never keep their promises: "she doesn't really mean that she'll axe gay marriage!"

unfortunately, centrist's two-faced private face/public face bullshit leaves voters unable to tell if a candidate is being honest or just bullshitting, even when they really need to like when the candidate is a fascist

In the US we have the very confusing Log Cabin republican movement.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Helical Nightmares posted:

Hey, there are two weeks left before the vote.

Plenty of time to squeeze in another terrorist attack or two.

I'm sure ISIS hasn't burned through their strategic loser reserve yet.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Fake News!

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Vox Nihili posted:

Macron is probably left of Clinton and Le Pen is substantially right of Trump, but it's close.

It's sort of tough to decide what Trump believes.

He went from bragging about how he wouldn't get involved in Syria to bombing it on a whim.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nC5TBv3sfU

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

mysterious frankie posted:

Their Trump speaks French and eats a steak the right way so in their minds it's completely different situation.

Also similar to the Trumpen-proletariat they believe in removing kebab

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Lolled at the Jeb! reference in the article.

Jeb! is still the most beloved primary canidate

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

mike12345 posted:

I've listened to an interview with Marion Marechal-Le Pen. It was pretty vapid and shallow, she sounds like your average career politician that went with FN because of her family ties. Really surprised how devoid of substance that was.

So French have their own bland version of Chelsea Clinton?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

We can agree tht the Electoral College system is really stupid

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Azathoth posted:

The Founding Fathers absolutely were wary of direct democracy. It's why it wasn't until the 20th century that Senators are actually elected by popular vote, instead of by state legislatures (and are elected for six year terms), why we have the electoral college instead of just the popular vote count, why we don't have a parliamentary system like the UK. They wanted to make sure that the opinion of the popular rabble was considered, but not too much.

The founding fathers were a bunch of slave owning 1 percenters, who didn't believe in direct democracy

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Al! posted:

did le pen win the runoff yet

The final round of voting isn't until may 5

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

leaked pics will actually be pics of Marcon doing anal with all his various mistresses which will cause him to win a landslide victory.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Vox Nihili posted:

lmfao forgot about that poo poo

putin offshore account!? oh poo poo, uh, CIA OP CONFIRMED

It's Fake News! that nasty dictators like Putin have offshore slush fund accounts.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lol
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/...&pgtype=article

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Kainser posted:

Le Pen will more than double her father's result from 2002, not sure how this is a decline

She'll be back even if she loses

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Fullhouse posted:

she did better than she did last time and given everything about Macron she will continue to do better in the future

It's like the time in which Hitler lost his first election attempts but this only made him fine tune his strategy for the next time around.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Horseshoe theory posted:

So Macron will appoint Le Pen as Prime Minister or something?

I hope not, he's sort of screwed either way since he's not from one of more traditional parties.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

disjoe posted:

It's weird cause in America if you lose a Presidential election you're generally done and don't get chosen to run again because people are bored with you and you stink of failure

But the Le Pens are wraiths that keep coming back no matter how often you kill them

Maybe it has something to do with having more than two parties and a runoff system idk

her midwest looking niece will also be around a long time as well.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

punk rebel ecks posted:

So, Le Pen is apparently popular with youth correct? Is Melenchon as well?

Why are right wing/far right wing parties so appealing to the youth in Europe, not in America?

Because business as usual centrist scum don't appeal to youth or answer problems such as high youth unemployment.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Venom Snake posted:

Aye, but my point is that American youth are used to being around minorities and :siren: IMMIGRANTS :siren: aren't some big boogyman for them. Most European countries are still 90%+ white

France is also more racist than the USA.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

make beurettes great again

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lolling how beurettes seem to have the fashion style as New Jersey women

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Corny posted:

65% to macron


:getin:

His MILF Lives Matter platform had widespread appeal

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


maybe fake news and fake polls only exist in the USA?

American exceptionalism ftw

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lol

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

make polling great again

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Scent of Worf posted:

I came here to :toot: about the fascist pig getting destroyed, but haha lol.

good luck, france.

austerity is one major why the Eurozone recovery was so weak after 2008.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Shear Modulus posted:

macron's popularity is going to be hollande-tier in 2022

Well if it gets that bad he would have to bang a intern or college student to improve his polling.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


What do you think will happen when reforms like even more austerity make the standard of living even worse especially for recent uni grads?

Voting for the Hillary like Macron was basically kicking the can down the road.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


He already bragged about how he will be doing austerity "reforms" in addition to going after organized labor and job benefits.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Bip Roberts posted:

I ran the google maps eyeball test in some of the heaviest Le Pen areas like Aisne and the north part of Haute-Marne and they don't seems nearly as visibly lovely as just about any part of rural America.

What's the french equivalent to the midwest?

Stuff like lots of manufacturing plants and corn fed girls?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

anime was right posted:

macron and most other corporate centrists are just slow deterioration of the status quo which is still leagues better than a literal nazi.

its just the longer the deterioration happens, the more people want to toss a brick through the window.

you can avoid that happening, or pray to loving god the nazi isn't the populace's brick of choice when the time comes.

Macron will just more policies that don't work like austerity or eroding worker's rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go2bVGi0ReE

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Yinlock posted:

as opposed to le pen who would have done both those things and also killed all brown people

I'm glad that all these recent elections have all been about the lesser of two evils.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

a stunning and devastating blow in which 1/3 of voters chose neither candidate, which surely means le pen and her ideology have been decisively beat back and will in no way reemerge for the next election, no siree

https://twitter.com/USARedOrchestra/status/861363633397403648

i mean i'm glad he won but this doesn't mean right nationalism has been defeated

Marcon's very nasty Forbes/WSJ approved policies means populism isn't going away.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


lol

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Shear Modulus posted:

let's all praise Macron for Reaching Across the Aisle to Get Things Done

Reaching across the aisle to cut benefits and job protections with workers.

I guess he really is the Hillary of France except he actually won

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Shear Modulus posted:

yeah, that's absolutely a plus and a better outcome than what happened in eg the US. but im not convinced that treating the symptom (discarding the brands of the mainstream parties because of their crumbling popularity) rather than the cause (the mainstream parties becoming unpopular by repeatedly doubling down on horrifically unpopular austerity policies and looking corrupt and insensitive to voters' concerns) will prove an effective long-term strategy

Yeah centrists are pretty much kicking the can down the road, of course as the US learned from Trump the right wing populist winning would have been a even worse outcome.

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

consumed by normies posted:

L'Empereur Néolibéral I

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