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 [   Shindou is a highly-skilled negotiator working for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. As his plane at Haneda airport prepares to take off, a huge mysterious cube appears from the sky. A strange being called Yaha-kui zaShunina appears from within and tries to make contact with humanity. Shindou, who was been absorbed by Kado, ends up taking on the role of mediator between Yaha-kui zaShunina and humanity.  Yaha-kui zaShunina Appears with the giant cube, KADO. Has come from "outside the universe" and wants to advance humanity.  Koujirou Shindou Gets absorbed by KADO due to being on the plane as it appears and ends up teaming up with zaShunina to help him communicate with humanity.  Saraka Tsukai Selected to counter-negotiate with zaShunina and Shindou. KADO is a CG show, so if that bothers you, maybe don't watch it. That said I think the CG is done well and the show is engaging enough that I forget about it most of the time watching it. KADO Is a story with a focus on negotiation instead of conflict, most of the episodes so far are spent talking. As another user put it in the season thread, it is a slow and methodical drama. If that sounds interesting to you, give it a chance. There is also an "Episode 0" done in traditional animation, which focuses on Shindou's work but I don't think it's mandatory if you want to just jump straight in.
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The Kado is pretty cool to look at. I thought it was pretty clear from the way it animates that it's essentially a projection of a higher-dimensional object into 3-dimensional space, so it's good to get that confirmed 
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Apr 22, 2017 20:08
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They've been talking about negotiating all the time, but what could the alien possibly want from humanity?
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Apr 22, 2017 20:26
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Tamba posted:They've been talking about negotiating all the time, but what could the alien possibly want from humanity? Alien:  Japan's toughest negotiator: He means he wants to give us unlimited free energy Japan's other toughest negotiator: OK. ~fin~
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Apr 22, 2017 20:43
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Let us have a civil discussion about this show about civil discussions.
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Apr 22, 2017 21:17
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Aliens are dangerous and we should blow them up
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Apr 22, 2017 21:43
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Namtab posted:Aliens are dangerous and we should blow them up The right answer
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Apr 22, 2017 22:23
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Aliens are hot and we should sex them up
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Apr 22, 2017 23:31
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7c Nickel posted:Aliens are hot and we should sex them up Also the right answer
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Apr 22, 2017 23:33
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I think it's pretty obvious that Za is testing humanity, there doesn't appear to be any upside to him giving us his little infinite energy generators beyond seeing how we react. Also I like the parallel between Za's pretty little glass beads and certain negotiations with the American Indians that did not turn out at all well for the party that accepted the glass beads, I have no idea if that reference is intentional but if it is it's really clever.
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Apr 23, 2017 03:52
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I think it's pretty obvious that Za is testing humanity, there doesn't appear to be any upside to him giving us his little infinite energy generators beyond seeing how we react. Also I like the parallel between Za's pretty little glass beads and certain negotiations with the American Indians that did not turn out at all well for the party that accepted the glass beads, I have no idea if that reference is intentional but if it is it's really clever. Hot drat. Yeah I've been pretty suspicious that something is a little too good to be true; I have a hard time seeing a potentially godlike being thinking just giving us free stuff is in anyway a good idea for our well being. Think about the societal ramifications being suddenly plunged into a post-scarcity society would bring; it could even be catastrophic without preptime to make the switch. Basically I feel like, advancement we didn't earn ourselves as a civilization to at least some degree I feel like can be more damaging in the long run. It would make sense to me if he would offer to be our "tutors" to gradually get a grasp on it as it would give our society time to adapt while still speeding it up. But it sounds like to me that his goal is a possible crossover or merger of his realm and ours; this could be potentially be very bad.
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Apr 23, 2017 05:56
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Raenir Salazar posted:Hot drat. I was thinking in a bit different direction. Remember, Za is only giving the beads to the Japanese government, think about how disruptive it would be to have infinite energy at the command of one nation. I think Za wants to see if the people involved can hold to the analogy he used, Za has given them more bread than they can ever eat, everyone seemed to agree that if a starving man came to their table that they would share the bread, but will Japan share? Can the human instinct towards placing oneself above others be overcome?
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Apr 23, 2017 06:07
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There are other possibilities to consider, like that he might allow human tech to become dependant on the marbles to the exclusion of other centralized power sources (it doesn't do much for car/laptop/phone power unless every single device ends up containing enough power to run all civilization) and then say "oh by the way I can shut those off whenever I feel like it so you'd best do whatever I say."
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Paracelsus posted:There are other possibilities to consider, like that he might allow human tech to become dependant on the marbles to the exclusion of other centralized power sources (it doesn't do much for car/laptop/phone power unless every single device ends up containing enough power to run all civilization) and then say "oh by the way I can shut those off whenever I feel like it so you'd best do whatever I say." Well, yes he could, but I don't see why a being of such power would bother with a threat like that, if he wanted to he could cut off all power on earth at any time regardless of its source.
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Apr 23, 2017 06:40
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I also feel like he doesn't need to. What could a being like him ever hope to gain from exploiting humanity? It's possible this is a Madoka situation in which humanity is entirely unaware of an aspect of itself which alien entities like the incubators can exploit. We'll have to see.
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Apr 23, 2017 06:53
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I was thinking in a bit different direction. Remember, Za is only giving the beads to the Japanese government, think about how disruptive it would be to have infinite energy at the command of one nation. I think Za wants to see if the people involved can hold to the analogy he used, Za has given them more bread than they can ever eat, everyone seemed to agree that if a starving man came to their table that they would share the bread, but will Japan share? Can the human instinct towards placing oneself above others be overcome? I think this is pretty obviously what is going on. The episode ends with him saying "Mankind, I want you to choose the right answer". The right answer would be to share the energy marbles. Or maybe reject them. Demicol fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Apr 23, 2017 11:46
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The real test of this show is going to be how it represents non-Japanese governments and the UN. I'd hate for this premise and mood to be wasted on another GATE-type deal. e: Or maybe more appropriate is a "background information of Gunbuster"-type deal. Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 23, 2017 |
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Apr 23, 2017 21:43
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Yeah the show is showing a lot of promise and I went through all the questions asked in this thread myself, and seeing how well the series has handled things so far I expect the answer not to be a simple he's trying to exploit humanity by making us dependant. I mean, executed well I wouldn't mind it because it can make for good drama, especially if there's some sort of interesting wrinkle about it from Za's perspective. This show is displaying some promise about presenting challenging questions and moral dilemmas in a well-thought manner. I mean, the fact we're even asking these questions in this thread shows that the show is doing something right.
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Apr 24, 2017 00:11
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Mister Olympus posted:The real test of this show is going to be how it represents non-Japanese governments and the UN. I just watched episode 0 after watching 1-3 and they didn't make Shindo look tough so much as resourceful. But now Shindo's stuck in a cube/at a negotiating table. My other concern is how much trust Yahakui seems to be putting in Shindo. It seems to be a lot.
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Apr 25, 2017 23:03
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Well episode 5 was interesting. I figured the solution to Japan's present pickle would be tied up in not thinking about the Wam as a scarce resource, since who possesses them is only relevant if they exist in limited numbers. But I thought they'd so something like hand them over and then our anisotropic friend would just produce more and give them out to different countries/institutions individually. (At which point exact numbers become irrelevant since each one produces functionally unlimited energy.) I didn't think they'd go so far as to make it something that anyone with sufficient training could cook up in their living room. Hidingo Kojimba fucked around with this message at 21:21 on May 6, 2017 |
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May 6, 2017 16:34
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May 6, 2017 16:50
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I may not like the doctor much, but I agree with her decision here.
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May 6, 2017 21:10
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I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would actually make this decision, Even assuming infinite resources and no strife people will have resentment towards each other and Jesus Christ those things can destroy the entire planet by one angry person with enough resources (Probably nowhere as many as producing a single nuclear warhead).
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May 6, 2017 23:52
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Did she just fold paper into a 4D shape with her bare hands? That's really impressive. Shinawa is the most tonally dissonant part of the show by a huge margin; it feels like there's a shounen mecha series missing their lead scientist somewhere.
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May 7, 2017 10:02
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Dessel posted:I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would actually make this decision, Even assuming infinite resources and no strife people will have resentment towards each other and Jesus Christ those things can destroy the entire planet by one angry person with enough resources (Probably nowhere as many as producing a single nuclear warhead). Until people start developing laser weapons that can handle massive throughput without burning out the components, that all depends on whether you can destabilize a Wam to produce a sudden release of energy, which may not be possible. I don't think you can destroy the world with just a massive number of devices plugged into an infinite power strip.
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Paracelsus posted:Until people start developing laser weapons that can handle massive throughput without burning out the components, that all depends on whether you can destabilize a Wam to produce a sudden release of energy, which may not be possible. I don't think you can destroy the world with just a massive number of devices plugged into an infinite power strip. If you just want to destroy everything instead of on specific target, things are a lot easier:  Scale this up (it's not exactly high tech), put it into the ocean and wait.
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May 7, 2017 20:18
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Heck, the show itself had the professor guy state that suddenly introducing unlimited energy to the world could have huge knock-on effects on the Earth's ecosystem if not properly managed so I'm pretty sure the show is aware of the potential for bad things to happen.
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And the next episode preview looks like something bad will happen. This is a really drat compelling show.
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May 12, 2017 15:34
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Step 1: Infinite energy, and how to make it. Step 2: Remove the need for sleep Step 3: Remove need for food and water Step 4: Babies are born in 9 days instead of months Step 5: Babies/children make Wam, Earth is a Wam Factory Seriously though, I'm waiting for a twist. This anime got me hooked.
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May 13, 2017 01:51
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I'm down, sleep sucks.
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May 13, 2017 05:05
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:Heck, the show itself had the professor guy state that suddenly introducing unlimited energy to the world could have huge knock-on effects on the Earth's ecosystem if not properly managed so I'm pretty sure the show is aware of the potential for bad things to happen. I'm pretty sure unless the energy was released at such a fast scale as to be an explosion that any extra energy added to the system would just be released naturally as heat. These things are not going to be outcompeting the sun.
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May 13, 2017 08:35
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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:Step 1: Infinite energy, and how to make it. I'm not sure why that would be a goal considering that you only need one pair of Wam to get things done, any extra are just convenience until you have proper infrastructure built to use a single set of Wam. Anyway, there were some not so subtle hints to where I think this is going, Koujirou's mom alluded to it.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I'm not sure why that would be a goal considering that you only need one pair of Wam to get things done, any extra are just convenience until you have proper infrastructure built to use a single set of Wam. That's the only use of Wam that the people were told.  I half-watched when the Mom was on so I guess i'd better rewatch that part.
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May 13, 2017 12:14
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Alpha Kenny Juan posted:That's the only use of Wam that the people were told. Ditto. Upon rewatching the scene, even if they're laying it on thick, I'm still interested in the details to come.
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May 13, 2017 13:51
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I never knew I could be so excited about watching a block roll down the road.
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May 13, 2017 17:06
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You have to appreciate that they went through the effort of  actually drawing and coming up with a logical? route for Kado even thought that was completely unnecessary for the series. Kado/w/e might not be malevolent. But at some point you're losing what it means to be human and that is the same as killing them off.
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May 14, 2017 00:46
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KADO is a Non-aggressive Hegemonizing Swarm. Soon we will all be one with KADO.
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May 18, 2017 00:43
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He says specifically that they should constantly be questioning whether he is friend or foe. I think those instructions apply to the audience as well. Through forced advancement, he is guiding the evolution of humanity according to his own beliefs and values. By accepting all this, humans are exchanging their own identity and chance for self-growth for power.
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May 18, 2017 02:00
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Dessel posted:Kado/w/e might not be malevolent. But at some point you're losing what it means to be human and that is the same as killing them off. I mean, it wasn't too long ago, historically speaking, that we were saying that humans weren't meant to fly and talking about the hubris of Icarus, as if many people don't routinely fly across the planet in a few days. I'm willing to take the risk, because I don't rate the idea that "sleep" is the threshold for "posthuman horror end of days" highly.
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Reach heaven through insomnia.
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