Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





Kai Tave posted:

I didn't know that, thanks.

So is there any rhyme or reason for who should go to what lane when you do actually split up into lanes?

Depends highly on matchups, map, and comp. Someone like Falstad or Dehaka has an easy time transporting to a far lane just as the minions are about to start dying while someone like BW can stay paired mid keeping teleport up for needs. Thrall, Zag, Gaz, Alarak, and other strong solo laners shoud go do their own thing. Someone like Sylv really needs to be paired with a bruiser to give her room to go deep on towers. Having Vikings on your (or the opposing) team changes everything. Illidan, Samuro, or Sonya on your team will split for mercs at vrious times on different maps and your team will have to cover soak. Pre 10, the most important thing in the game is XP - soak is king.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

Kai Tave posted:

I didn't know that, thanks.

So is there any rhyme or reason for who should go to what lane when you do actually split up into lanes?

On 2 lane maps you have 4 in one lane and solo in the other. Your solo lane should be someone who has strong sustain like Thrall/Sonya or someone with a global so they can hearth and come back like Dahaka/Falstad. Remember your number one job as the solo is to soak XP and not die, not push the lane.

Primetime
Jul 3, 2009

Kai Tave posted:

I didn't know that, thanks.

So is there any rhyme or reason for who should go to what lane when you do actually split up into lanes?

It's already been covered in greater detail, but the biggest point is unlike other mobas (in my experience) strategy changes dramatically based on map and team comp. Without being exhaustive - lost Vikings, murky, abathur, sylvanas, and really most specialists can pretty dramatically change your teams strategy due to unique mechanics. And that's not even looking at the maps.

Luminous Cow
Nov 2, 2007

Well you know there should be no law
on people that want to smoke a little dope.
Well you know it's good for your head
And it relax your body don't you know.

:420:

Holyshoot posted:

Is playing unranked draft better then QM? I have only played QM and I have about 30 hours under my belt. But I still feel like I don't know enough to play unranked draft well. Would I get better if I solo q unranked draft?

I've found that unranked is a great way to learn to draft, and people doing it are occasionally even focused on doing objectives or improving themselves for HL. I only do QM to learn a hero, get some quick levels, or work on a skill. Like last night, I hadn't played in weeks, and I did QM so I could remember how to play, work on minimap awareness, and try stutter stepping for the first time. Once I get back into the swing of things, I'll be hitting unranked for most play.

Gustav
Jul 12, 2006

This is all very confusing. Do you mind if I call you Rodriguez?
Unranked is also the helldump for every toxic shithead who doesn't want to QM but can't play HL because they're silenced, so it's a bit of a crapshoot

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
FYI for everyone, you can redeem one megabundle in each region, so it's worth logging on to NA/EU (whichever isn't your main region) to get 20 free heroes in case you ever want to play with a friend in another region.

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

i'm level 7 with genzi and i don't know if he's good in this game yet. he's really difficult to pin down or escape from, but his damage reflects that. he's like a mix of li-ming and tracer

i guess he's fun though. he's got some cute quirks, like his massive ranged kill-stealing with his W and the ability to look extremely powerful when his team is already winning. i reckon those two will earn him an angry reddit post or two

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

lordfrikk posted:

Any reason why specifically chu8 and HORSEPANTS were not included in the streamer list?

I left out chu8 because he's also doing the Tryhard For Good thing and Horsepants got caught in my reckless backspacing. They're both back in. Also fixed the error with the HL and TL requirements.

If you have an announcer, does that override Li Ming calling her own killstreaks? I love the BW and Li Li announcers, but I couldn't bear losing the Sassiest Wizard sassing out of control.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Zaodai posted:

Nice, they finally made it so I can set Shift+RightClick to be attack move and turn off Shift modifier being queued commands. That was like half my issue with trying to play HOTS right there.

This is probably a dumb question but how do you reconfigure move and attack-move controls? I spent a good 20 minutes going through options last night but I couldn't find how to redo those controls, just the hotkeys for abilities and the like.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Kai Tave posted:

This is probably a dumb question but how do you reconfigure move and attack-move controls? I spent a good 20 minutes going through options last night but I couldn't find how to redo those controls, just the hotkeys for abilities and the like.

If you don't want to use a modifier key, you can just do it from the "Hotkeys" menu under Basic (select the A button, and it will give you your attack move options even if you don't want it to be A).

If you want Shift+RightClick, you have to set it manually in your Commands config file that I can't remember off the top of my head, but will be happy to post when I get off work if nobody has sniped me by then. To get it to work right you need to go in to ADvanced and unbind Shift as your Queue Commands key, and then bam you're done after those two changes.

[EDIT] Yes, it took me like half an hour of fiddling to figure this stuff out. I am slow. :saddowns:

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

1stGear posted:

I left out chu8 because he's also doing the Tryhard For Good thing and Horsepants got caught in my reckless backspacing. They're both back in. Also fixed the error with the HL and TL requirements.

If you have an announcer, does that override Li Ming calling her own killstreaks? I love the BW and Li Li announcers, but I couldn't bear losing the Sassiest Wizard sassing out of control.

Unfortunately yes. Although blizzard acknowledged on reddit that this happens and they will try to fix.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Is Tyrael a tank or a bruiser or a bit of both? How do you talent him? I'm casting about for a Warrior to get good at in QM. Where is he good/weak?

I used to love him unconditionally long ago, then they took away Cast Aside :(

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


1stGear posted:

I left out chu8 because he's also doing the Tryhard For Good thing and Horsepants got caught in my reckless backspacing. They're both back in. Also fixed the error with the HL and TL requirements.

If you have an announcer, does that override Li Ming calling her own killstreaks? I love the BW and Li Li announcers, but I couldn't bear losing the Sassiest Wizard sassing out of control.

If D.va doesn't call out her own killstreaks I'm gonna be real mad

Belzac
Mar 20, 2008

The third fracture I would do away with...I can't, sorry.

F R A C T U R E
Gonna point this out because almost no one seems to know about it.

Doing the Battlegrounds tutorial grants you a "starter" loot chest.

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

Nothing matters; I got Azmodunk in a chest today.

Feels good to get a freebie you considered paying money for a few months ago.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Genji gets poo poo on by Anub, he died every single time he tried to ult me. Was great. Anub'arak more like Anub'arules

Sarmhan
Nov 1, 2011

Macaluso posted:

Genji gets poo poo on by Anub, he died every single time he tried to ult me. Was great. Anub'arak more like Anub'arules
Genji really appears to be a litmus test for how much CC your team has. Reliable stuns=dead genji.

Richard Bong
Dec 11, 2008
The amount of assasins who will happily ult a reflecting genii right next to you and your front line is endless. Fuuuuck.

I snagged a victory on the new map with Abathur when the opposing team left our x2 payload(the only payload) alone to go do other stuff after my team was wiped. They wandered off and I burrowed in to move it the last little bit. It felt really good.

Zaodai
May 23, 2009

Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.


Kai Tave posted:

This is probably a dumb question but how do you reconfigure move and attack-move controls? I spent a good 20 minutes going through options last night but I couldn't find how to redo those controls, just the hotkeys for abilities and the like.

Home now.

On a windows machine, go to your Documents -> Heroes of the Storm -> Accounts -> <string of numbers representing your account> -> Hotkeys and then click on the text file representing your custom hotkey profile. If one doesn't show up, just go rename a profile in game, even if you don't change anything it should show up.
Then under the "Hotkeys" section, this is how I have my attack move set up:
CommandButton10=A,Shift+RightMouseButton
That line probably won't exist on its own, just add it and set it to whatever you want and save the file. You'll want to be sure HOTS is closed while you're modifying it obviously.

Then you just go in game and unbind Shift as your Queue Command modifier, and bam, you're good to go. Add the option to make auto attack target what is near your cursor rather than your hero if you prefer that like I do, that's just a checkbox in options.

Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

I'll have a go at this to get the OW skins. Are any of the bundle heroes obnoxious and low-skill and if so how do I play them?

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Dying is a lot less lovely when Brightwing says it's just nap time

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Is there a trick to playing the overwatch heroes? They're all on ice skates and it feels real bad man.

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


Someone tell me how to Tyrael, I want him to be good again :(

1982 Subaru Brat
Feb 2, 2007

by Athanatos
Auriel with this build is fp/ban tier IMO. Nearly as much damage as a carry, top everybody off nearly on cooldown and every teamfight is 6v5. So please don't tell everyone and get it nerfed okay guys?

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



Yeah I used to think that cd talent was not worth picking and then I disconnected once and the bot picked it and I found out it owns

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Genji's Deflect almost singlehandedly wrecks the Braxis Junction boss -- and that's before Reflect at 16.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


1982 Subaru Brat posted:

Auriel with this build is fp/ban tier IMO. Nearly as much damage as a carry, top everybody off nearly on cooldown and every teamfight is 6v5. So please don't tell everyone and get it nerfed okay guys?

http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/auriel#l50q

I've been having fun with this one, myself.

AlphaKeny1
Feb 17, 2006

Wait, why are we taking resurrect now over crystal?

Saltpowered
Apr 12, 2010

Chief Executive Officer
Awful Industries, LLC

AlphaKeny1 posted:

Wait, why are we taking resurrect now over crystal?

Resurrect is pretty good now that it doesn't require channeling.

SirDrone
Jul 23, 2013

I am so sick of these star wars
Someone on the art team must loving love Evangelion, Genji has like the 4th hots skin with Unit 01's pattern.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


genji's level 20 deflect upgrade is very nasty as long as teams don't know not to focus him when he dives in 1v5

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
I assume if I want ~maximum value~ there's no shard refund or whatever for buying a megabundle with heroes I already own?

Kinda wish I could dust skins I don't like. Purifier Artanis is nice but the red colour scheme is the worst one and it's the one I got. I also got a legendary skin for Zagara who I never play. :(

Caeks
Dec 27, 2009

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

genji's level 20 deflect upgrade is very nasty as long as teams don't know not to focus him when he dives in 1v5

I flattened a Tracer/Kael/Lili nearly instantly the other day due to this. Kael began to Pyro, ninja'd my way near him, and POP

Also, I haven't had a problem with fighting Anub at all as Genji - he has pretty clear tells for his CC. As well, if you take the Shuriken talent that does bonus damage if all 3 shurikens hit the same target, tanks melt pretty loving fast.

The worst for Genji are hard targeted CC's - namely Brightwing, Uther, Diablo/Tyrael + any burst assassin. Medihv can be a pain too not only because of Polymorph, but saving people from being killed by blade when you decide to dive in thinking you have a for sure way out.

Edit: Also, the level 1 talent that extends your jump distance and shortens it's cooldown when used from a mount is goddamn bonkers for roaming lanes. Don't overlook it.

Luminous Cow
Nov 2, 2007

Well you know there should be no law
on people that want to smoke a little dope.
Well you know it's good for your head
And it relax your body don't you know.

:420:

Cuntellectual posted:

I assume if I want ~maximum value~ there's no shard refund or whatever for buying a megabundle with heroes I already own?

Kinda wish I could dust skins I don't like. Purifier Artanis is nice but the red colour scheme is the worst one and it's the one I got. I also got a legendary skin for Zagara who I never play. :(

I've gotten more zarya skins than I care to count, even though I've never played as her. At least I got some bitchin Johanna skins and deputy valla

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:

Is there a trick to playing the overwatch heroes? They're all on ice skates and it feels real bad man.

Everybody in the game moves like that, sorry. It's a game, and genre, based on an RTS. It is really noticable with regards to the Overwatch characters since 3/4ths of them are some of the fastest characters in Overwatch the FPS which makes it stand out a bit more. Lucio has a bunch of talents that play off his wallriding ability though which increase his speed even more as well as talents which increase his green speed boost aura's effect but focusing on making Lucio super-fast isn't necessarily gonna be that helpful. The one that always fucks with me is that Tracer's recall doesn't heal you until level 20 which means there's an entirely different dynamic to using it in HotS as opposed to Overwatch.

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

Ahahaha the cowboy outfit for Valla changes her /dance and it's amazing.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Kai Tave posted:

Everybody in the game moves like that, sorry.

It's specifically Tracer and Lúcio who feel like they're on ice skates, because unlike other heroes, when you attack someone while you're moving, you continue to move towards wherever you ordered your hero to move. This means that unlike Valla or someone where you can deliberately interrupt your move order via attacking (and it is very frequently desirable to do so), you have to interrupt your move order with another move order to prevent yourself from sliding into the enemy team and to your death --- or you just simply click very very close to your hero instead of in the general direction that you want your hero to move into. It's a big adjustment!

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

SKULL.GIF posted:

It's specifically Tracer and Lúcio who feel like they're on ice skates, because unlike other heroes, when you attack someone while you're moving, you continue to move towards wherever you ordered your hero to move. This means that unlike Valla or someone where you can deliberately interrupt your move order via attacking (and it is very frequently desirable to do so), you have to interrupt your move order with another move order to prevent yourself from sliding into the enemy team and to your death --- or you just simply click very very close to your hero instead of in the general direction that you want your hero to move into. It's a big adjustment!

Ah yeah, I did forget that detail, you're right. What always messes me up with that isn't so much the regular movement as it is the fact that when you blink with Tracer she continues moving in the direction she was moving before you hit blink, which means if you don't very quickly manually adjust her movement what happens is you blink back to try and get out of someone's way but she immediately begins moving towards them again.

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

1982 Subaru Brat posted:

Auriel with this build is fp/ban tier IMO. Nearly as much damage as a carry, top everybody off nearly on cooldown and every teamfight is 6v5. So please don't tell everyone and get it nerfed okay guys?

Never played Auriel before, used this build, proceeded to crush. This build is dope as gently caress.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Onean
Feb 11, 2010

Maiden in white...
You are not one of us.

SKULL.GIF posted:

It's specifically Tracer and Lúcio who feel like they're on ice skates, because unlike other heroes, when you attack someone while you're moving, you continue to move towards wherever you ordered your hero to move. This means that unlike Valla or someone where you can deliberately interrupt your move order via attacking (and it is very frequently desirable to do so), you have to interrupt your move order with another move order to prevent yourself from sliding into the enemy team and to your death --- or you just simply click very very close to your hero instead of in the general direction that you want your hero to move into. It's a big adjustment!

Find and use your Stop keybind. Default is S.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply