akadajet posted:

all linux is bad, op

mishaq posted:

systemd is actually really good

N.Z.'s Champion posted:

oh no systemd had a bug and poetiereerr is a jerk so lets go back to bash scripts

NeoHentaiMaster posted:

Systemd hate is at least useful in that it allows you easily filter a good chunk of people that you should never hire or allow to work on anything important.

NeoHentaiMaster posted:

The question should not be if SystemD is garbage. Almost all software is garbage for idiots. The average best case scenario is that it is written by slightly smarter idiots for slightly dumber idiots to use. The question should be if this garbage is better than a raging dumpster fire of hacked together bash scripts managed by different maintainers with no set standards what so ever.

mishaq posted:

vi /etc/systemd/system/systemd_is_cool_and_good.service
Warning: Unit file of systemd_is_cool_and_good.service changed on disk, 'systemctl daemon-reload' recommended.
systemctl daemon-reload
systemctl enable systemd_is_cool_and_good
systemctl start systemd_is_cool_and_good

The_Franz posted:

oh, good news op, the de-poetteringed devuan now has reached the rc phase!

strap on your tinfoil-hats and get ready to janitor some scripts!

Captain Foo posted:

install gentoo if u think systemd is garbage trash for idiots otherwise stfu forever

Silver Alicorn posted:

netbsd or bust

OldAlias posted:

same. tho the port was removed in 2009, there's a 2002 snapshot of the ps2 version if you have one

pram posted:

systemd is fine

akadajet posted:

linux from scratch!

NeoHentaiMaster posted:

SystemD did not remake everything as "one monolithic component". It remade a lot of things as still separate things that work together under a manageable and maintainable standard. Previously all those system facilities were all duck taped together, mostly by distro maintainers, and it is a miracle they worked at all. Also, saying the network stack was rewritten at all is not really true. The actual "network stack" is in the kernel and wasn't touched by the SystemD project as far as I know. SystemD just has a new tool for managing and configuring network interfaces.

As bad as it can turn out most of the time, sometimes it is worth it to remake things from scratch. Needs and expectations for a platform can change and you can only keep hacking on a pile of hacks for so long before managing and maintaining it becomes a bigger liability than replacing it. In the general use cases we have now system services aren't there for their own sake to be used individually anyway, they aren't why people use *nix. They are just there to collectively support other applications so it makes sense to manage them collectively so they can be a consistent platform for those applications.

Among all the craziness that does propagate through the open source community it is ironic one of the more sane and practical changes became a source of such toxic hostility. Although I suppose the biggest irony is that it could be argued the previous init system of infinitely nested bash scripts was way more monolithic in how it actually functioned. Despite being spread across multiple random file paths a lot of them them end up running together under one execution of bash.

OldAlias posted:

you work with a guy who can get poo poo done despite working in a hostile and incompetent environment? who deflects threats and infinite loathing for having the gall to sidestep the absurd kafkaesque beaurocracies of petty fiefdoms, all for the greater good?

qhat posted:

He's not being paid so he doesn't owe you an ounce of "professionalism" you stupid oval office

qhat posted:

Rofl. Someone calling someone a stupid oval office isn't a meltdown retard.

N.Z.'s Champion posted:

ahahah

https://twitter.com/diodesign/status/881297275070234624

i still like systemd but geez

mishaq posted:

Doc Block posted:

yeah, as in "you're a dope for using it."