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AS FORETOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD! 1 Vendilion Clique 3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 1 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver 2 Liliana of the Veil 2 Liliana, the Last Hope 4 Ancestral Vision 4 As Foretold 1 Cryptic Command 2 Damnation 4 Fatal Push 4 Inquisition of Kozilek 2 Remand 1 Restore Balance 4 Serum Visions 1 Spell Snare 1 Creeping Tar Pit 4 Darkslick Shores 4 Flooded Strand 1 Godless Shrine 1 Hallowed Fountain 3 Island 4 Polluted Delta 2 Swamp 2 Tolaria West 2 Watery Grave Sideboard: 1 Disenchant 1 Dispel 1 Esper Charm 2 Negate 2 Path to Exile 2 Rest in Peace 2 Thoughtseize 1 Seachrome Coast 3 Stony Silence I brought this up in the general thread a couple weeks ago, but every time I look at where Modern is at lately, I think U/B is much better suited for control than U/W. But, I cannot argue how good U/W's sideboard options are. So, I decided to try to have my cake and eat it, too. The one thing I like about U/B's walker finishers is that unlike Elspeth, I don't have to pay 6 mana for them, meaning I can shave a land or two and play more interaction. My true list would run 3 x Liliana, the Last Hope, but I only have two at the moment. Anywho, thoughts? Comments? Critiques?
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:what happens with this deck when you replace all of the As Foretolds with Snapcaster mages? i get the joke about casting free Ancestral Recalls the rest of the game if it lives/resolves, but i'd really play a bunch of games with snapcasters in that slot and see if that or the three mana do-nothing wins more games. I'm not being glib about that, I really do not know the answer. i suspect the optimal snapcaster build has fewer JVPs and probably some more cryptics or something You kind of right regarding half-measures. The card just isn't worth it unless you're going to get some real value off it. So, I streamlined the list a bit. Even if my spells are naturally efficient, I still think you get a lot from being able to cast them for free on your opponent's turn while being able to refill at least once or twice. 4 Ancestral Vision 4 As Foretold 1 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver 2 Cryptic Command 4 Fatal Push 1 Go for the Throat 3 Inquisition of Kozilek 2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 1 Liliana of the Veil 2 Liliana, the Last Hope 2 Remand 3 Restore Balance 4 Serum Visions 2 Thoughtseize 1 Vapor Snag 2 Creeping Tar Pit 4 Darkslick Shores 3 Flooded Strand 1 Ghost Quarter 2 Island 4 Polluted Delta 3 Swamp 2 Tolaria West 2 Watery Grave Sideboard: 3 Ceremonious Rejection 1 Damnation 1 Dispel 2 Grafdigger's Cage 1 Inquisition of Kozilek 2 Negate 3 Surgical Extraction 2 Thoughtseize No creatures save a pair of Jace that I wouldn't put on the field unless I can protect them for a turn to flip them. PW finishers and just value coming out of the ears. I went to 3 Restore Balance because it is the best card against creature decks even if I pull As Foretold late.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:21
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NofrikinfuN posted:This is a standard budget deck I've been toying with for a few days that has been performing better than expected. I thought it was a fun deck to pilot, so I figured I would share. I like the more combo-ish idea of using Sram and/or Paradoxical Outcome and all of the 0 cost equipment in BfZ and SoI. You can draw most of your deck, and recasting all the equipment for free pinging with Fireweaver. At the very least, I don't think Kingpin is a very good card in the deck, and he's your only black card. Here's an idea for a Modern Combo deck. A guy at my LGS and I were discussing the idea, so I thought I'd put it on paper. As Kiki-Jiki Foretold 4 Ancestral Vision 4 As Foretold 4 Deceiver Exarch 4 Faithless Looting 3 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker 3 Living End 4 Manamorphose 1 Pact of Negation 1 Pestermite 4 Serum Visions 4 Simian Spirit Guide 2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 1 Wheel of Fate 1 Arid Mesa 3 Island 1 Misty Rainforest 3 Mountain 4 Scalding Tarn 1 Shivan Reef 4 Spirebluff Canal 4 Steam Vents It is a U/R combo deck that tries to cycle through the deck as quickly as possible, dumping Kiki-Jiki and a Exarch or Pestermite in the grave, then bring them back with Living End off an As Foretold. It can theoretically kill turn one if you manage to draw into all four Simian Spirit Guides. Standard graveyard hate doesn't completely ruin you because you can pull off the EoT Exarch turn 3 into a Simian-ramped Kiki-Jiki for the win without even using As Foretold or the grave. You can very often kill by or before turn 4. Fewer people are packing bolts these days, and Push doesn't kill either part of the combo without a fetch or other sac effect involved. Plus, it feels like it should be fairly resilient to early hand disruption, but of course, it needs a whole lot of testing. I'm debating right now on whether I should even bother with Snap since it is kind of slow. Perhaps swap him out for a couple Cathartic Reunions? I feel he'd be good in games where I can't combo off immediately, and he's just more value grind off of As Foretold if I need it. Edit: Swapped Snap for Vice President Jace. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 03:55
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:snapcaster seems really bad here with only 9 targets. i'd play more pacts before cathartic reunion The problem with Pact is it is a dead card outside the turn I'm combing off. I could see having one or two more in the sideboard for control decks or decks that are naturally in a good position to disrupt me in the middle of the combo, but more than one or two mainboard seems way overkill since I'll almost never be able to pay the pact cost afterwards. Honestly, I imagine I'll be sideboarding the one I have out a lot against linear aggro strategies like (non-bant) Company and Shadow decks. Edit: Now that I look at it, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy is probably a better fit than either Snap or Cathartic Reunion. It allows early card filtering, should flip fairly easily, and can cast a Living End from the grave through As Foretold once flipped. Hell, if nothing else, it can eat early removal they may be holding for Exarch/Kiki-Jiki. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 04:18
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myDad posted:more pacts would be good since you can dump anything you don't need in the grave Alright. Here's an updated version: Deck: As Kiki-Jiki Foretold   //Main 4 Ancestral Vision 1 Arid Mesa 4 As Foretold  4 Deceiver Exarch 4 Faithless Looting 2 Island 1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  3 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker 3 Living End 2 Manamorphose  1 Misty Rainforest 3 Mountain 2 Pact of Negation  2 Pestermite 4 Scalding Tarn 4 Serum Visions 1 Shivan Reef 3 Simian Spirit Guide 4 Spirebluff Canal 4 Steam Vents 4 Thought Scour  Display deck statisticsI decided I could shave a land to up my number of early cantrips. Two Manamorphose went away along with a Simian Spirit Guide and a Jace, VP for 4 Thought Scour and a second Pact of Negation. Considering I have no other removal in the deck, I like that Living End can, in a pinch, act as a one-time board wipe. Now it's time to work on the side board.
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As Kiki Fortold v.2.1 Removed the manamorphose because, while more free cantrips are nice, Jace is just better in the long game. -2 Manamorphose +2 Jace, Vice President -1 Shivan Reef -1 Island +2 Tolaria West (because I'm an idiot and forgot about this card entirely for the first draft.) Deck: As Kiki-Jiki Foretold //Main 4 Ancestral Vision 4 As Foretold 4 Deceiver Exarch 4 Faithless Looting 3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 3 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker 3 Living End 2 Pact of Negation 2 Pestermite 4 Serum Visions 3 Simian Spirit Guide 4 Thought Scour //Lands 1 Arid Mesa 2 Island 1 Misty Rainforest 2 Mountain 4 Scalding Tarn 4 Spirebluff Canal 4 Steam Vents 2 Tolaria West //Sideboard 3 Blood Moon 2 Ceremonious Rejection 3 Leyline of Sanctity 2 Shattering Spree 3 Surgical Extraction 2 Swan Song Display deck statisticsAlso, now including sideboard! Beyond the smattering of decent hate cards, I've been thinking of trying out a transformational sideboard which allows me to swap out the graveyard-based Living End strategy with a with a board wipe Greater Gargadon/Restore Balance package for the inevitable Leyline of the Void/Spellbomb hateboard. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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myDad posted:So this is definitely the thread for a deck I found after its relevant bannings: Jeskai Ascendancy. It's a storm deck that doesn't use Grapeshot or Empty the Warrens, but instead uses Jeskai Ascendancy to pump a bunch of mana dorks for lethal. It takes a little bit on board to get started, and it needs the critical mass of cantrips in hand to get going, but once it starts it's pretty tough to stop (outside of blowing up the enchantment). This version of it is mainly green & blue since it wants mana dorks and cantrips to get going, and it has a splash of white for Glittering Wish which is a pretty cool card. Not only do the Glittering Wishes operate like Jeskai Ascendancy 4-7, but they also let you pull some hateful cards into your normal play and ensure a win once you've got some steam rolling. Jeskai Ascendancy was one of my pet decks back when it was still really viable. After the bannings of Cruise and Dig, a lot of people swapped to a package with Visions of the Beyond since Thought Scour helps fuel it and incidentally also helps get your Fatestitchers into the grave. Most versions of the deck ran one or two Faerie Conclaves, too, as a dork you can generate mana off of. Plus, it was a flier and dodged sorcery speed removal as a man-land, so if you could still get a hit in if the opponent was good as gumming up the ground. AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 00:48
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YeehawMcKickass posted:So, I fully admit that I am not the best player or deck builder. I'm probably better at modifying existing decks. I've been looking at what's been happening with the super aggressive with Raumnap gone. Then I realized that nearly all the creatures the deck wants to play have first strike or haste. You know what makes lots of poo poo for Path of Mettle? Oketra's Monument.
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YeehawMcKickass posted:I like the thinking, but it feels like a lot of do nothing considering the rest of the deck. You would be correct. Another note: I would not maindeck Daredevil. The deck should either be throwing creatures out or dumping mana into a flipped Mettle. You (hopefully) won't have mana to spare to get random, not always possible, value from your opponent's grave. Also, Sunscorched Desert is kind of a wasted slot in a deck without Ruins. You're going to get mana screwed if you play needless colorless lands.
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