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Fat Rob had a great Weeks 8-11 but was really pedestrian outside of that. He's also a former UDFA who earned his "Fat Rob" nickname in college. Washington spent a 4th round pick on Perine so that alone ought to give him the leg up on Kelley. Seems pretty clear to me the organization has a higher evaluation of Perine.
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Sataere posted:Joe Williams is interesting. My thoughts on drafting is just get the guy you think is going to be the best. Almost everyone in your rookie draft will end up bad. At least pick the bad guy you like the most. I'm definitely interested in Joe Williams too. Shanahan is one of those coaches where if he's handpicking a mid-round RB, I'm not forgetting that name.
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I might consider OJ Howard if he drops far enough. Like maybe if I I'm down to deciding between him or Jared Cook in the 13th. I could see him carving out a red zone role in Tampa Bay's offense. Cameron Brate probably outscores him though. And I'm definitely not touching Njoku or Engram as rookies.
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I'm kidding about Cook. I'm all about that Jack Doyle action this year. #TeamDadRunners
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I kinda think I'm leaning Williams over Ross myself. At least in redraft leagues. I think in dynasty I'd prefer Ross cause I always love to gamble on dudes with elite traits. But my gut leans Williams right now for 2017. I'm not sure I buy that the Bengals are poised to immediately take advantage of Ross. They're poised to run more with Mixon in the fold so we'll probably see a reduction in Dalton's attempts. And they took some hits on the o-line when they lost Whitworth and Zeitler so Dalton may be under more pressure as well. So I'm down on Dalton compared to the rest of the fantasy community. And while I have no reason to doubt Ross' talent, I think we've seen plenty of other lighter-framed speedsters struggle to make immediate impacts or have to deal with minor injuries in their rookie years. Not busting but just being solid/unspectacular at first. CBs in the NFL are bigger, faster, hit harder, and will play you more physically at the line of scrimmage so that poo poo can take some adjusting to. Brandon LaFell is also definitely going to play more than anyone watching wants. His blocking on run plays will probably see to that. Mike Williams might be in a worse spot on paper at the moment but really all he needs is for a Chargers receiver or two to get injured to get him a real chance and that's 100% going to happen, right? I mean yeah injuries are inherently chaotic in nature but the Chargers, and Keenan Allen in particular, have had some real poo poo luck going back a while. If Allen or Tyrell Williams went down, I think Mike steps up. Or if just Allen goes down, I think Mike could carve out a valuable role opposite Tyrell with Travis Benjamin acting more as a deep threat option. It would be kinda like when Keenan Allen was a rookie. He had a great rookie year but started it way down the depth chart (in a "hadn't proven poo poo yet to coaches" sense) until injuries took out guys in front him. So I have a not entirely rational feeling Williams will be luckier.
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If you can't find it in your hearts to love a SPARQ-y white runningback with a double-Z name, then I don't know why you even play this game.
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I like the faith Detroit showed in their RBs in the offseason. Invested in their offensive line in free agency but didn't bring any serious RB competition. Definitely puts me in the mind that Abdullah was ready to make a jump last year and Detroit knew it before his season was derailed by injury. They've left a lot of opportunity there for him.
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https://twitter.com/terezpaylor/status/870785402084278272 I did not see this coming!
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I don't think it's crazy to have doubts about Kelce. He wasn't a truly dominant TE until the second half of the season and his season high for TDs is still only 5. I can't dismiss the idea of Andy Reid and Alex Smith finding new and frustrating ways to underuse him again.
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Benne posted:Second round quote:Third round quote:Fourth round
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Gronk is also a leap of faith, but when healthy he's the undisputed TE1, so it makes sense. Don't draft Amari in the second when you can get Crabtree 2 rounds later for similar or better numbers. Fournette ... well, better hope he lives up to the hype at that price.
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Weekly upside matters in a season determined by weekly matchups.
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Spoeank posted:so does weekly downside when you're taking a player in the first four rounds and you have to stomach that you've wasted that pick for 50% or more of the year. VietCampo posted:Y'all are silly, just wait til the 12th round and grab Ertz, it's his year. 
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coronaball posted:Marlon Mack gets a little more appeal as a late round flyer/cuff.
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Cervixalot posted:If you want to hear coach/camp narratives about why players will be good in fantasy, listen to the Audible. Get ready for hype trains.
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Spoeank posted:Ya boy just got offered $150 to put 500 words on cbs digital's scout.com about the fantasy football prospects of the jacksonville jaguars
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Hurns is basically free in drafts is the only reason I'm tempted. He's still one year removed from a 1,000-yard season with 10 TDs. Even has 19 scores in his first 42 games through three seasons. Expectations are low and I think he's a decent bet to exceed them by a healthy margin.
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The Fantasy Footballers have a great ongoing bit where they argue that Perkins would have a ton more hype going for him if he wasn't named Paul Perkins. And they're not wrong. That's 100% the name of an accountant, not a football player. If he was instead named Smash Jackson, I would take him nearly anywhere in the draft. I'm still sad that Storm Johnson washed out of the league.
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PFF had him as the most elusive player in college before he was drafted. He can create on his own as a runner so I don't think the state of the Giant's o-line will kill his chances. Wouldn't be the most unexpected sophomore jump. Though I do agree it's probably smarter to believe in the conservative projections for Perkins since he's not built like a feature back and since this is the Giants, they could easily go with an ugly looking committee at RB.
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Ayudo posted:In fact, I'd take Ingram in the 6th before I even took a whiff of perkins.
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Regarding Gallman, this is from Giants running backs coach Craig Johnson:quote:“Coming from college, he was a very productive runner,” Johnson stated. “Stats don’t lie. So far what I’ve seen in practice is that he has been effectively able to run the ball in the runs he’s been given. The pass protection, he’s coming along in. He’s certainly made a big improvement in the last week or so. He’s been able to catch the ball effectively. Again, as a young back, he’s trying to figure it all out. The game is a little too fast for him, like they are for every back right now when they’re young. The game starts to slow down and he’s starting to get it. I’ve seen a couple bursts. I think he will continue to get it in the future.”
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This was PFF literally a year ago after the Giants drafted Perkins:""Don't Be Surprised If Rookie Paul Perkins Wins The Giants' RB Job" posted:Former UCLA Bruin Paul Perkins dropped all the way to the fifth round in the draft as the running back position continues to be devalued, but we at PFF had a late-second-round draft grade on him as the third-best running back in the class. As a junior in 2015, Perkins led the draft class in both rushing grade and elusive rating, which is PFF’s measure of how productive a back is independent of his blocking. So why do you think he is so bad? Tiptoes fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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You don't throw out a young player's college analysis just because his limited rookie year sample didn't impress. You have to factor in everything and acknowledge how the player is growing. That's how everyone missed on Devonta Freeman's sophomore breakout; even people who liked him coming out of college considered him trash after his rookie year. I take grades from limited samples on a case-by-case basis and if a player ends the year in a better place than how he started it, then I'm not going to worry so much if the full-season grades aren't real generous. The same website a year ago had him as the most elusive RB in his draft class with an ability to gain yards even when getting met in the backfield, so he has skills that can translate to success even behind a below-average line. I'm not just going to forget that part as Perkins is still that same player physically. Sometimes those skills don't translate immediately as guys have to get used to the speed of the NFL game. So I just don't believe those grades tell the whole story of Perkins' game. They don't even seem that terrible for a rookie.
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^^^^^^^^^^ The Williams thing isn't entirely wishcasting. Shanahan is definitely a coach who knows how to handpick the right guys for his scheme. But I agree he won't overcome a healthy Hyde. Whether Hyde stays healthy is another matter. RVProfootballer posted:Actually, let me elevate my shitposting for a sec. There are a good number of semi-established vets with not super premium rookies behind them. Who do you think gets usurped, maybe order em? 2. Perine > Kelley. I don't believe Kelley holds off the talented rookie and WAS will have plenty of red zone opportunities. 3. Cook > Murray. Think Murray winds up the odd man out in MIN sooner rather than later. McKinnon will have a larger role than people expect, I think, but have to respect Cook's upside. Guys Who Won't Start 4. Kamara. AP will be lead dog while healthy but Kamara will still be valuable as a passing down specialist at first. Ingram will have the dumb role that makes his fantasy owners regret taking him. If AP gets hurt, Kamara ought to have bought himself enough goodwill by that point to maybe force a timeshare with Ingram. 5. Williams. Probably a stash to start the year but Hyde has been snakebit by injuries lately and that could force Williams into the picture. And like Spoeank mentioned, Matt Breida is also a name to keep in mind. 6. (Honorary Mention) Oakland's guys: DeAndre Washington/Jalen Richard. Comes with the stipulation that Lynch is THE MAN. Unless he's busted (he probably isn't). But if he is, those kids are talented and can probably be relied upon as sophomores. I favor Washington over Richard. Nooooooooooope 7. Green Bay's guys might wind up with decent roles as rookies. I do fear Montgomery is in that special place where fantasy players like him a LOT more than Aaron Rodgers/Mike McCarthy actually do but I don't think he gets jumped by the other guys unless a true disaster happens. More likely the worst case scenario is more of an ugly looking committee where Montgomery has the most value but isn't as good as he could be and Williams/Jones still don't see any real volume. 8. Wayne Gallman SUUUUUUUUUUUCKS. Well he probably doesn't actually but his pass blocking was a knock on him coming into the league. Dynasty stash for now but my gut says Orleans Darkwa has a bigger 2017 role than Gallman.
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INCOMING TAKES Joe Mixon is the top rookie back and finishes as an RB1. Either AP or Marshawn Lynch returns to RB1 form. All haters are forced to deport themselves to Garbage Island. Jordan Reed continues putting up elite points per game, thus earning his 4th/5th round ADP and making the six games he misses totally bearable! Even though the Bucs drafted OJ Howard in the first, Cameron Brate (who is like #14-18 TE off the board currently) repeats as a TE1 and threatens for Top 5 status this year. Dez Bryant stays healthy, performs like an elite WR1, and finishes in the Top 5. Marvin Jones improves in his second year with the Lions, finishing as a solid WR2. Curtis Samuel winds up being this year's Tyreek Hill, becoming a valuable cog in a Panthers passing game badly in need of playmakers who can consistently get open. Not sure if these takes are  enough though... Might have to think of some more.
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RVProfootballer posted:Cook obviously not, Ebron legit maybe (I still believe), Bennett lol no. Bennett was bad last year when Gronk only played 5 healthy games, going to GB is a big downgrade in situation.
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Eh Richard Rodgers was a complete nonfactor when Jared Cook was in the lineup. Averaged 2 targets and 15 yards a game. He's a serviceable blocking TE2 but I don't expect him to split looks.  Rodgers and Mike McCarthy mentioned repeatedly last season how Cook's addition helped the offense execute more effectively. "Packers.Com posted:“I think it's been very beneficial for both parties,” said Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy of Cook’s signing. “He had a couple of challenges there with the two injuries, but you can see right away that he's a unique talent. He's been a great fit for, not only our offense, but for our football team.” "Around The NFL posted:"I think Jared's return has been important, just giving us two tight ends that can get down the field," Rodgers explained in late December, via ESPN.com. "Obviously, he's a matchup issue when you split him out to his own side, as we've seen in various games."  So the QB/staff understand what an athletic TE does for their offense and upgraded at the position with Bennett. There will be plenty of TDs to go around for everyone so he doesn't require the strongest target share to perform as a solid TE1.
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Amergin posted:Here are some stats (tgts/rec/yds/tds) for the top two GB TEs (by # targets) since 2012 according to PFR:
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Spoeank posted:*whispers*
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Sataere posted:His ADP is higher than Zach Miller, who is still the starter. If anything, Miller is seriously undervalued. When healthy, he's been a mid level TE1. So four games
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Sataere posted:The injuries are an absolute concern, but the difference between Miller and Sims is Miller is actually a pretty good football player when healthy. He's just a great receiver for the position. I don't think anyone has ever called Sims that.
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VietCampo posted:Lot of debate in this thread over a TE who's missed more games than he's played, has never played a full season, or ever passed 500 yards receiving, or ever catch more than 5 TD's.
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I'm biased against Witten because I feel like he always ends up as TE11 because he'll score the 11th most points every week. Not really a week winner but he is an iron man, which is pretty rare for tight ends. I am totally on board with guys like Doyle, Brate, and Ebron after the 10th though. I poo poo-talked Ebron last year but this is probably his year. He has made solid incremental progress every year. I still worry about his red zone target share but he'll see plenty of regular targets to be a TE1. Guys, I think TE might actually be deep this year... 
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Teemu Pokemon posted:The thing is though, that the only TE, aside from a full season of Gronk, that is a week winner it's Reed and you're missing like 6 of those weeks minimum so it doesn't make sense (unless you're doing best ball but that totally changes everything)
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I love how feisty his uncle is in that clip. Sees his nephew get hit and goes at a dude twice his size with 110% effort... until he gets knocked on his rear end. A+ uncle. In other news, so much for Lamar Miller's backup: Rotoworld posted:Texans third-round RB D'Onta Foreman was arrested for marijuana possession and unlawful carrying of a weapon in Austin early Sunday morning.
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https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/887108247836119040 Just another tidbit proving AJ Green is a total badass. I cannot stop laughing at Tavon Austin being #5 on this list though. Like that just seems cruel to do that to him. loving hell, Rams. How do you take a gadget player you can line up almost anywhere on the field and wind up putting him in so many unwinnable situations?
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Posting anti-Dez propaganda should be probatable imo
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Dion Lewis is not worth $7. Carr and Crabtree are the best bargains but I don't like any of the third keeper options. I feel like I could better spend the budget better in a draft.
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