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Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I made my pick on friday :f5:

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Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

12.07 #139 Carson Wentz

You'll recall I took early and safe picks for my QB1 and 2: Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr. Last year I sorely missed having a usable third QB (I had Goff complimenting Rodgers and Palmer) so this year I decided going into the draft to take an early QB if a good one was available, but also to not wait too late to take my third QB.

Of the guys remaining, I think Wentz is OK. Nick Foles and Matt McGloin are there but I don't think Foles is going to suddenly earn the starting job, and McGloin is a career backup for sure. Plus, Wentz got laser eye surgery! And I think most QBs improve in their second year, plus Alshon Jeffery is a big target to throw to. For a QB3 I'm thinking Wentz has the upside potential, but with Rodgers and Carr I won't be relying on him much unless one of my guys is hurt.

The big downside is he's got the same bye week as Carr, so I really hope Rodgers has a good game week 10 against the Bears.

There's still some other decent QBs left, but I didn't want to risk another round without taking mine. I don't want a rookie this year, or an old vet who might lose his job mid-season.

e. Also, lol at the four of you who still only have one QB

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

This is Best Ball, not a normal league. If you only draft one QB, you'll get zero points on his bye week and you'd better hope he scores great every other week.

But it's an interesting approach! There's always tradeoffs, maybe you'll make up the difference with a deeper bench at other positions. :)

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

You've got 26 spots on the bench. If you don't draft a second kicker, what are you drafting... a seventh RB? Eigth WR? what exactly are you gonna still see on the table in round 25 that is worth taking?

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

FYI this draft is 20 spots and no kickers.

say what?







oh poo poo, seriously, why did I think it was 26, and with kickers? Did you change it from what was suggested in the fantasy chat thread?

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

13.06 #151 Matt Forte

Supposedly Bilal Powell is taking over as starter, but I suspect it'll still be a timeshare and Forte still has enough gas in the tank to contribute.Good enough for a thirteenth round pick!

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I've been waffling about Jeremy Maclin for a while so I'm glad someone finally took him before my next pick so we can talk about him.

Is he gonna just be overshadowed by Kelce and Hill now, or bounce back? Will Mahomes target him more or less than Smith? How does Chris Conley fit into the mix?

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 19:13 on May 24, 2017

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

14.07 #163 Jason Witten
TE1 for a high powered Dallas offense? Sure, he's old. Really old. But he's still the guy, and that means probably a safe floor dude.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

15.06 #174 Kenny Stills

I'm pretty happy to get Kenny Stills in the fifteenth round! He had 726 yards and nine touchdowns last year, and he remains at #2 on Miami's depth chart, a team which loves to pass the ball. Miami just signed him to a new four-year contract, showing they believe in him and will continue to make him a big part of their offense. Stills has a potentially high score any given week and for my WR5 I couldn't ask for more.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

We've badly stalled now. I think the long weekend is officially over, can Mitchell TrubiBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO please make a draft pick?

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Hey cool no problem buddy, I posted in case it was some sort of oversight :)

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

16.07 #187 New England Patriots D/ST

Seems like D/STs have been opened and I wanted to get a good one before they're gone.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

17.06 #198 Mohamed Sanu

Potentially the #2 WR in Atlanta is still on the board? OK, sure, he's competing for that spot, but sometimes Julio Jones isn't the target, and Sanu is a proven commodity. For my WR5 this seems like a great option.

I already have Julio Jones, too, so this is also something of a handcuff.

Finally, recent news regarding Mike Williams' lingering injury tells me I really needed a reliable WR5 going into the fall, so I decided to avoid rookies with this pick.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

18.07 #211 Jalen Richard, RB OAK

This guy looked great last year, and got decent amounts of starts and looks behind Latavius Murray. Now he's a journeyman behind Marshawn Lynch, who is old and might suck. If Lynch is crap, both Richard and Washington should get more carries... but Richard has proven he's also a capable catcher, and I believe he's blocking decently too. He's certainly not a lock for even a single big game this season, but I've had my eye on him and figured I could get him as a very late round pick as my RB5. He's got the added small bonus of not sharing a bye week with any of my other RBs.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

19.06 #222 DALLAS COWBOYS

Whatever, DST #2. The cowboys might have a good defense or maybe not I dunno, but they have a good offense and I think that should help limit damage and give me a reasonably safe floor if my DST/1 (the patriots) isn't good on some random week.

Also: you guys aren't posting your pick thoughts any more, you're doing it wrong. Especially deep in the weeds of the nineteenth round, I wanna hear why you picked who you picked!

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

20.01 #235 CIN Bengals
I really hemmed and hawed about whether I should get a third defense, especially given the remaining pickings are slim. But the Bengals have their cadre of douchebag cheaters led by Burfict and Pacman who, when they aren't being suspended, do tend to make plays. What sealed it was when I looked at my byes: my first two D/STs are the Cowboys and the Patriots, who have bye weeks in week 6 and 9, respectively. The Bengals are playing the Bills week 6, and the Jaguars week 9. I like those matchup options!

Of course, the Pats are playing the Jets week 6, and the Cowboys are playing the Chiefs week 9, so I probably won't need those CIN scores, but it's nice to have the backup.

As my final pick though, I was kind of torn. I could have shored up my weak TE crew, or taken a super longshot pick or even a joke pick. Disappointing to miss out on one of those.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Yeah there were two last year and there's no reason not to have more if anyone wants them. It takes like 20 minutes or something to set one up in MFL and they're free.

When the last handful of picks are done, I'm planning to do a "draft grade" thing where I poo poo all over your picks judge the teams on relative merit based on my own lovely football opinions, and if anyone else wants to do that I think it'd be cool and good.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

OK as promised, I'mma grade everyone's drafts. I've never graded drafts before and I have dumb opinions so please nobody take this seriously.

Here's all the images if anyone else wants to reuse them for your own grades: http://imgur.com/a/0v1b4

Anvil of Crom/Leperflesh


QBs: A-
I drafted QBs early, and got two excellent ones with Rodgers and Carr. Wentz is a decent third QB/backup option with upside. Wetz shares a bye with Carr week 10, when Rodgers is playing the Bears at Soldier - a division rivalry matchup against a really bad team ought to mean decent numbers for Rodgers, but it's still a week with no backup QB if he's injured or something. This, and the relatively high amounts of draft equity spent to pick these guys up, are the only reasons I knocked it down from A to A-.


RBs: C+
This group is riding on a lot of question marks. Miller was overworked last year and the Texans now have help at RB. Forte is old and expected to give way to Powell. Murray is on a new team and is not a star anyway, despite his numbers last year. Kelley has competition and is a Redskin. Richard is purely for insurance. And this is just five RBs, where most teams went six deep. Overall I suspect out of the top four, at least two should have decent seasons, but there's no superstar in this mix. A key injury or two could pose problems. On the other hand, there are no overlapping bye weeks, so this team should still at least put up positive numbers at the two mandatory RB positions every week.

WRs: B
Julio Jones is a superstar who, unless he gets hurt, can be counted on for a top-five WR finish, befitting his fifth overall pick spot. Sanu is a good backup option on the same team if he does get hurt. Crabtree is a strong WR2 on a team anticipated to make a deep playoff run, and he tends to get more volume than Amari Cooper on that offense. Stills and Cobb are both reasonable shots at occasional good weekly numbers, and the injured Williams is a question mark/longshot. What downgrades this group to a mere B are the lack of high-upside rookies other than Williams, and with only six WRs, the flex spot could prove to be a problem some weeks. On the other hand, only Sanu and Jones share a bye week, so barring injuries, there should still be decent numbers every week.

TEs: C-
I took Njoku too early, and Doyle is unlikely to stand out at the position weekly. Jason Witten should have a solid year, but even with three guys at TE, this group doesn't really impress. The overdrafting of Njoku depresses the score. No bye week conflicts means TE should at least not be a terrible drain on the team's weekly performance, but it would have been better to draft two better TEs and hand the extra roster slot back to the RBs or WRs.

D/STs: B+
Patriots and Cowboys should both have decent seasons, and the Bengals may occasionally impress when the thugs the team employs on defense get away with their dirty hits and rack up some high sack numbers. Three D/STs might seem like too many, especially since Cincinnati and the Cowboys share a bye week, but the Pats face the Jets week 6 so I'm not concerned there. I also think most teams going with two or even just one D/ST are excessively discounting the position. D/STs are very random, and even a really good team will have a few bad weeks every season when they manage to get scored on a bit or fail to generate sacks or whatever. A third D/ST is worth more, I feel, than a seventh WR or a sixth RB.

OVERALL GRADE: B
I'm pretty pleased with this team overall. I think it's well balanced, and I avoided the trap I fell into last year of drafting too many rookies. I also paid close attention to bye weeks, and limited how many injured/injury prone guys I picked up. Where the team fails, I think, is that it's not ambitious enough... I expect to finish in the top six, but I don't think I have a decent shot at the winning position, due to a lack of lottery tickets that could hit big. This is a safe, solid fantasy team that may wind up being boringly consistent.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Jun 20, 2017

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I'm just going in alphabetical order here, so... apologies in advance to Beer's Wife, I'm not trying to pick on you. But your team is... not great.

Beer's Wife


QBs: C-
Winston is projected to have a great year, and Alex Smith has generally been a solid backup option. However, Goff was awful last year and could well lose his job, and Kansas City has clearly drafted a man they hope to replace Smith, possibly before the end of the season. This team could wind up depending entirely on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' offensive power to generate points at the QB position. On the other hand, perhaps Goff's sophomore year and a change in coaching will show that he's actually able to perform, and perhaps Alex Smith will be allowed to play out the season. There's no bye week overlaps. So I think this is a risky group that could tank the team, but with limited upside of maybe being OK.

RBs: C
I'm really not sure what's going on here. We have two rookies in Kamara and Cook, a couple of backups who might not play much in Abdullah and Bio Bernard, Derrick Henry who is really just a handcuff for DeMarco Murray, and the best of the bunch is Darren Sproles, an old man whose use in the passing game is not enough to make up for his low TD production. Plus the Eagles just grabbed LeGarrette Blount. The best I can say for this bunch is that rookie Dalvin Cook could possibly outshine Latavius Murray (who has a bum ankle) and maybe be a big star, althoug I think much more likely that the Vikes have a RBC in which the rookie Cook spends a lot of time learning and generally being kept in reserve. Alvin Kamara has no chance at even that sort of usage, behind Mark Ingram and Adrian Peterson. This is a full crew of six RBs with no bye week overlaps, but I can't give a lot of credit for that given how many of these guys could be benched on any given week.

WRs: A-
This team really shines at the WR position, with TY Hilton, AJ Green, DeVante Parker, and Sterling Shepard all in good positions to have big years. Keenan Allen is recovering from a lost year but if he's healthy he's another WR1. Even this team's WR6, Allen Hurns, is a solid choice, and Chris Godwin on Tampa Bay could even contribute. Actually though, Godwin is why I have to give this group a -. Given the strength of the top six WRs, this team did not need a seventh pick, and it is suffering at every other position. While potentially dominating the WR/WR/Flex positions most weeks, Beer's Wife is goign to trail or even have zeros at other positions with regularity. Instead of drafting Chris Godwin in the 18th round, taking a third TE or D/ST might have been an idea; or better, leave off one of those six WR1 players earlier in the draft to grab a decent RB.

TEs: D
Here we have Zach Ertz, who should be fine, and Evan Engram, rookie TE for the New York Giants. Despite his first round pick, we have established that rookie tight ends rarely perform... and the Giants have Will Tye, a known factor, on a team that does not feature big TE play in any case. Engram will need to be taught to block on lots of passing downs while Odell Beckham, Brandon Marshall, Sterling Shepard, Roger Lewis, etc. suck up big passing plays. So, really this is Zach Ertz with nothing much behind him. Ertz will likely get 800 yards and maybe two to five TDs, but there will be weeks when he puts up a low score, and on those weeks, Beer's Wife will have a low score at TE. Week 10 when Ertz is on bye the Giants face the Niners, a matchup I don't think likely to leave Eli Manning desperate for his checkdown TE option, so that could be a zero.

D/STs: B
The seahawks are fine and the bills are fine. Unfortunately, they share a week 6 bye, so that'll be a goosegg that week. Going with two decent to very good D/STs is a valid choice, but the shared bye week is just a mistake that knocks a letter off the grade.


OVERALL GRADE: C
This team's monster WR crew will not be enough to overcome its weaknesses at most other positions. It has a few rookies, but mostly not with a ton of upside/lottery ticket potential, with the possible exception of Dalvin Cook. I doubt he's the next Zeke Elliot, but... maybe? I don't think it's enough. The team went too heavy on star WRs and failed to put together a roster that could compete across the board.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Corn Elder Thing/Veritek83


QBs: A-
Russel Wilson is a star even in a year when his OL is terrible. It can't possibly get worse there, but of course, he could get injured, but it's still a really solid good pick. Blake Bortles actually put up nearly as many points as Wilson last year; it comes from fun slinging the ball in a lot of behind games, but that still counts. And Bryan Hoyer's job in SF is to manage a rebuilding offense; not likely to be a standout guy, but he has at least a chance of a couple of good games. He also is probably going to finish the season: Matt Barkley is not going to beat out Hoyer for the job, and it seems very doubtful that third round pick C.J. Beathard could maybe somehow be a diamond in the rough. So, you've got a great QB1, a solid QB2, and a reasonably safe QB3. A good set.

RBs: B+
David Johnson is a superstar who, barring injury, can carry a team to a championship. What this team needs, though, is a good RB2 to fill out that slot, and all of the candidates are a bit lacking: Tevin Coleman is great, but in a solid RBC that limits his upside unless Devonta Freeman gets hurt; Thomas Rawls, Charles Sims, and Kenneth Dixon are all backup guys, and Dixon will miss four games due to a drugs suspension. Yes, Rawls also counts as a backup, because Seattle grabbed Eddie Lacy and they also like their C.J. Prosise, even if Rawls has shown some great stuff on occasion. He has yet to play out a full season. I think the hope here is that Lacy gets fat, Prosise gets hurt, and Rawls stays healthy: those are all plausible outcomes, which would put Rawls into RB1 numbers, so the possibility is surely there. Veritek83 rounds out his picks with James Conner, rookie third round pick for the Steelers. Unfortunately for Conner, the Steelers have Le'Veon Bell, and if Bell gets hurt, it's unlikely the team is goign to just give their rookie RB all the snaps. So he's another backup without the star upside potential of a Zeke Elliot. Overall this is a solid crew with an every-week monster at RB1, and a slew of guys at least one of which should manage ok RB2 numbers most weeks, but to get there cost six roster slots. One more small boost: none of thes guys share bye weeks.

WRs: B
Corn Elder Thing's premiere WR is Doug Baldwin, a solid option in Seattle whose quite likely to put together his third 1000+ yard season. He scored 14 TDs in 2015, but only 7 last year: that sounds like a guy who is due to "upwardly regress" towards a mean of 10 TDs. Russell Wilson somehow manages to throw downfield even when he's scrambling, and as mentioned earlier, maybe his OL will get marginally better this year. So I really like this pick. The rest of the crew is more questionable. Rishard Matthews, Pierre Garcon, and Alshon Jeffery are all guys with talent and potential, but no guarantee. Matthews is WR3ish in Tennesee, Garcon is a niner getting thrown to by Brian Hoyer, and Alshon Jeffery is on a new team trying to claim targets from Jordan Matthews. Of the three, I like Jeffery's chances best: he's proven he can have a 1000+ yard season even in Chicago; if he can catch what Carson Wentz is chucking, he could be the WR2 that Veritek is looking for. The rest of this crew is unimpressive: Kevin White is a WR2 on a team with Mike Glennon or maybe Mark Sanchez or perhaps Mitchell Trubisky at QB, and he got a whole 19 catches his rookie year. He's a super dark horse candidate for meaningful production. And Golladay is a WR3 candidate in Detroit, who I think could be a great WR, but I doubt is going to outshine Golden Tate or Marvin Jones in his rookie year. All told, this WR crew reminds me of the RB crew: a star, a bunch of decent to good picks, a lot of roster slots spent, a decent spread across bye weeks, but given what's here, I'd have not bothered with Kevin White.


TEs: B
Jordan Reed is an A, unless he gets his brain scrambled some more, which seems almost inevitable, at which point he turns into an F. This is the Jordan Reed enigma. I'm gonna go with him being an A for now, and paired with Hunter Henry who is very solid and probably going to be giving some good weeks, this would be a great TE set. Two As make an A, right? Well, no, because Jordan Reed will probably die, and then there's nobody but Henry at TE. I'm in the camp that says grab Jordan Reed if you can, but I think that choice forces you to take a third TE. Without it, I have to bump this grade down a letter.

D/STs: B
The Panthers are a fine pick, but not a guarantee. The Jaguars... the Jaguars? Really? OK yes, they beefed up the D this year, but they always do, right? Maybe I'm out of the loop but I just don't think they can be relied upon. I think it's OK to grab them in best ball format anyway, because maybe they'll get a ton of sacks a few times a year, but I suspect with these two D/STs there are going to be some weeks when they both do badly.

OVERALL GRADE: A-
This is a pretty solid fantasy football team. I did a lot of nitpicking, but this is a team with no major holes; a great QB1, RB1, WR1, TE1 set, a bunch of guys who should turn in decent to quite good performances several times over the year, and no positions with gaping holes. If luck holds out, Corn Elder Thing could contend for the championship. If Reed dies, Coleman doesn't get used to the fullest, or Jeffery doesn't work out, it could slide back in the pack. I think it's more or less guaranteed a top 6 finish though, and a top 6 team with significant upside potential is a team you have to be pretty happy with.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

DICKS DICKS DICKS etc./Risquebarber


QBs: D+
Hoo boy. Andy Luck is a lottery ticket at this point, right? Once the golden boy who was going to save the world, we've now seen that Luck is no guarantee; he has tons of potential, but the Colts are often bad and sometimes terrible, and Luck is coming off shoulder surgery. As a QB1 he's a gamble, basically, and Risquebarber has backed him up with not one but two rookies: Patrick Mahomes, a man who Kansas City can afford to develop for at least a full year behind Alex Smith if they want (and they probably want)... and Deshaun Watson, who Texas might well decide to develop for a full year behind Tom Savage. Either of these guys has a shot at starting, and both are on teams where if they do start, they could score some points... but it's just as likely that neither one starts, and that makes this three increasinly dangerous gambles at QB slots. To me that's the worst sin: spending three draft slots on QBs and not winding up with a single solid backup guy who can give the team a safe floor.

RBs: C
Here is a team with no certain RB1. The best guy of the bunch is Todd Gurley, a man on a rebuilding team with new coaching who maybe could be great, but maybe he's just merely good. Bilal Powell is supposedly eclipsing ageing Matt Forte, and he's shown he's got the chops to do it, but while Forte hangs on, Powell can't hope to put together a 1000 yard season. He gets some upside from passing work, but loses it to the tendency to use Forte (or maybe someon else) for goal-line work. Next up is Theo Riddick, coming off wrist surgeries to probably just back up Ameer Abdullah, with Matt Asiata now a Lion possibly for goal line work. I mean, maybe? But probably Riddick is still a RB2 this year with little TD potential and unlikely to break 500 yards. C.J. Prosise will get some touches in Seattle, but that situation is shaping up to be a comittee and Thomas Rawls is too good for Prosise to really steal all of his carries. I think we're looking at a hot hand thing there. Finally we have Devontae booker, who probably shouldn't even be owned unless you're convinced Jamaal Charles is actually done (which maybe he is, yeah), and rookie D'Onta Foreman, who could well beat out Alfred Blue for the RB2 job in Texas, but that's not guaranteed and that's second fiddle to Lamar Miller. There's only one overlap at bye week and it's not an important one (Riddick and Foreman), so I think what we have here are some high-upside gambles with Powell and Gurley, some low-upside gambles with Prosise and Riddick, and some longshots with Foreman and Booker. There's no safe pick in the bunch, and that's not a good way to spend all six of your RB picks. I would have liked to see a solid safe RB1 choice mixed in with all the backups and risky plays.

WRs: B
Seven WRs including OBJ and Brandin Cooks as solid WR1 and 2 choices. Cooks is a Patriot now but he should still be featured. Corey Coleman and Tyler Lockett should both be solid, if unreliable, WR2 guys who will have a few big score weeks. Josh Doctson lost his rookie year to recovering from injury, but there's lots of upside potential there if he's as good as his draft spot suggested. Then there's a couple of rookies, Corey Davis and JuJu Smith-Schuster. Davis may be the WR2 in Tennesee, unless Tajae Sharpe or Rishard Matthews are, so his actual role isn't clear yet but there's a chance he shines. Smith-Schuster has maybe just as tough competition but a better WR, but he's basically the same deal: maybe he'll be the slot guy or maybe Eli Rogers beats him and he is a benchwarmer. All told though I like this set of WRs with one drawback; two have week 8 byes, and three week 9; and there's seven of them, while RB, QB, and D/ST are all weak.

TEs: B
Travis Kelce is as sure of a thing at TE as you can get; even better than Gronk in terms of injury risk vs. on-field potential. Charles Clay is a perfectly good TE2 to own, and taking a third TE just in case is a good idea for this oft-injured position. Adam Shaheen is a rookie in Chicago, though, and behind both Zach Miller and Dion Sims. He just hasn't got the lottery ticket potential given his situation, so why spend the slot? I'd give Risquebarber an A if he'd grabbed a veteran option like a Will Tye or even an Antonio Gates instead: worse, Risque drafted Shaheen before Clay, in the 19th round.

D/STs: C
The cardinals are a very good defense. But there's only the one D/ST on this team, which is... not good. It'll be a zero on week 8, and there will surely be other poor showings, and the free slot was used, presumably, on one of the several redundant not-great RBs, the extra lottery ticket QB, or the extra rookie third string Chicago tight end.


OVERALL GRADE: C
This is a team that has weaknesses sufficient to overcome its strengths. If Risquebarber is lucky, he could crack the top six, but in my judgement he's got zero chance at a win. The strongest spots are at WR and TE, but a weak QB corps and a missing D/ST sabotages the team, and the lackluster RB set is unlikely to boost the team into contention.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Dream of Crabtree-Fournett-Cation/Drunk Nerds


QBs: A
Tom Brady and Carson Palmer are a stellar 1-2 punch. Palmer isn't too old to produce yet, and Brady is clearly still in his prime. They're both reliable veteran top players who throw a lot of touchdowns and not a lot of interceptions, and Drunk Nerds helps himself out tremendously by locking up his QB production with just two players. During Brady's bye week 9, Arizona plays the rebuilding 49ers, and during Arizona's week 8 bye, the Pats play the Chargers, not an especially scary matchup.

RBs: A-
Le'Veon Bell and Jay Ajayi are two excellent choices for RB1s. If they stay healthy, this is a dangerous crew! My problem with this position is the quality of the other guys: Drunk Nerds has four RBs backing up his stars, and none of them are guaranteed play on any given week. Kareem Hunt is behind Ware and West; with Charles gone, the Chiefs have drafted for the future, but Hunt's not guaranteed play time this year and he's only a third-rounder, so he's not there to take over. Paul Perkins is supposed to be NYG's RB1, but he has less than 500 yards, 15 receptions, and zero TDs his rookie year. He is a gamble, basically, and the Giants can lean on Shane Vereen if he doesn't work out. DeAndre Washington is RB3 in a committee in Oakland, and while he's solid and gets some goal line work, Marshawn Lynch could take 100% of Washington's touches this year, potentially. It's a gamble with not a lot of upside; if Lynch is actually broken, Jalen Rishard is RB1. Finally, Jamaal Williams is two-down guy with rookie competition who will be behind Ty Montgomery... again, there's potential there, but it's not a guarantee. All that said: Bell and Ajayi are great, and if even one of these four guys works out, this is a decent RB corps. The shared bye weeks aren't a big deal since they're only between the gambles/RB2 guys.


WRs: B+
This large crew of 7 WRs lacks a solid star at WR1. Understandable given the QB and RB investments; Drunk Nerds has instead grabbed at least four solid options with upside in Ginn Jr, Matthews, Nelson, and Snead, and Martavis Bryant might also have a role. Donte Moncrief is also a good guy if he stays healthy: in 2015 he had 733 yards and 6 TDs. So, despite not having a star WR, this is a pretty good draft strategy at WR: on any given week, there's at least four or five guys with a chance at good numbers. Ginn and Snead share a by eweek but that's still pretty diversified.

TEs: A-
Gronk is Gronk. If he stays healthy, he wins leagues. Drunk Nerds wisely backed him up with his own handcuff, Dwayne Allen, a man who has proven he can also catch the ball; and Tyler Higbee is a reasonable choice for a backup I guess? Week 9 he plays @ the new york giants and that might be the only time he gets used... I don't love this pick and he's the - on the A rating, though, because he's only caught 11 NFL regular season passes in his rookie year and he's being thrown to by Jared Goff. For a round 20 draft pick I guess he's the best that was left, but even there I'm not sure this completely unproven guy is worth it.

D/STs: B
Packers and Texans, sure whatever. They're both decent to very good, they don't share a bye week, and I'm OK with there not being a third D/ST given the quality of these two.

OVERALL GRADE: A
On balance, I love this team. It has solid star performers at every position save WR, and the WR crew is diversified and interesting and large enough that it has a real shot at producing league-winning points too. I easily project a top-6 finish with a top-3 very likely, and a win is definitely a possibility. Drunk Nerds had a great draft and should be quite pleased with the results.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Fantasy Fartball/Tiptoes


QBs: B-
Matt Ryan is a very good choice for QB1. All the pundits are expecting a regression this year, but the only reason to expact that is the loss of Kyle Shanahabanana at OC. The rest of the team is intact, and it's a drat good team. Matt Ryan isn't too old yet, he still has all kinds of weapons, and even if he modestly underperforms his points last year... well, he put up 323 points last year, he'll be fine. However. Sam Bradford might not play out the season, depending on whether a recovered Teddy Bridgewater can earn his job back - and I believe he could. At least the chance of that happening means Tiptoes should have drafted a solid safe pick for QB3. Instead, he went with Jimmy Garoppolo for some reason. Perhaps anticipating a trade? OK, as a very long shot lottery ticket that'd be OK, but as the option if Sam Bradford doesn't keep his job, this is just a wasted pick. There are at least a handful of starting QBs left on the board, there's not really any excuse for drafting the QB2 in New England. I still gave Tiptoes a B- here, but it's entirely on the strength of Matt Ryan. The rest of this QB roster is a disaster.

RBs: B
Devonta Freeman and Frank Gore are a great 1-2 punch, and Chris Tompson is a solid RB3 choice despite the various questions about Washington's RB crew this year. Rob Kelley is I think the guy for sure, but Thompson has proven himself and will have three to six games where he scores a TD or two, at least. Jerick McKinnon is an insurance policy: I don't think he plays much unless Latavius Murray sucks, but I think he always plays at least a little and Dalvin Cook could also be a bust so there's real upside. Samaje Perine is reportedly "challenging Rob Kelley" for early down work: I do not believe it. I think he'll make the team, and get work, especially if he proves valuable on special teams, but this fourth round rookie is not going to knock off two veterans ahead of him to take the RB1 job. Joe Mixon is in a similar boat: He's behind Gio Bernard and Jeremy Hill, but a round 2 pick rookie who at least has a shot, according to talking heads, of being an RB1. Again, I'm skeptical: everyone hopes for a Zeke Elliot, but almost nobody turns out to be a Zeke Elliot. Still: this are lottery ticket guys with a ton of upside potential, which is a great way to back up some reliable star players. One minor problem, though: the two washington players share a bye with Freeman, leaving this team weak in Week 5, when Frank Gore matches up against the 9ers. So he should be OK, but Tiptoes has to hope either McKinnon or Mixon have good games that week as well.

WRs: A-
This 7-man WR set has real star power with Dez Bryant, Emmanuel Sanders, and DeSean Jackson all on the team. Sammy Watkins' foot might be fixed too, and if so, he's another great WR2/3 guy to own. Tyrell Williams faces competition from Keenan Allen's return from a knee injury, but he'll still be a solid guy to own. Actually my ownly complaints here are the bothering to roster Robert Woods and Curtis Samuel, given the rest of the roster. Woods is a Ram, and he's never broken 700 yards. On a weaker WR team, he'd be a reasonable choice of lottery ticket with upside, but on this team, he feels like a waste of a roster spot. And Curtis Samuel is a rookie in Carolina; depsite his second round spot, I doubt he's going to outshine K-Benj or Devin Funchess or high-volume target Greg Olsen. So again, not a horrible choice, but feels like a wasted slot on this roster.

TEs: B
Martellus Bennet is a solid veteran TE going to a solid veteran QB who knows what to do with him. He'll get points. Cameron Brate has competition from a rookie, but you can't ignore his 8 touchdowns last year; he should be fine and might be really good again. I'd feel better about this teams' TE position if it had a third one rostered; I think Tiptoes could have afforded one of his WR slots, or definitely could have skipped on Jimmy Garoppolo to get another backup.

D/STs: B
Neither the Raiders nor the Bucs blow me away as picks. The Raiders are probably inconsistent: sometimes excellent, sometimes they give up points. Similar story for the Bucs, but down one tier. It's another place where Tiptoes could have used a spare slot to ensure more consistent points production year-round, but I can't really complain much about the choices.

OVERALL GRADE: B+
This team seems fine? The star-studded WR cast plus Matt Ryan have at leat the potential to push the team to the top... maybe so do the RBs. There were a few missteps though, and this team has the potential to underperform badly at QB and D/ST, and to merely be good but not great at RB and TE. I suspect Tiptoes is generally happy with his draft, and I would be too, but there were a couple of missed opportunities that smart a bit, too.

OK that's it for tonight, I'll do the rest tomorrow.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jun 20, 2017

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

The Glennophant Man/Sataere


QBs: B+
Mariota and Tannehill are both solid, if not superstar choices. Mariota may even improve this year, as a young QB with new weapons is wont to do, while Tannehill is a known quanitity unlikely to regress. Sataere backs these two guys up with Mike Glennon, a man who may or may not keep his job at the helm of the Bears, given what that team spent on their QB in the draft (lol), so I like that pick a lot less. But at least early in the season it's some insurance against dire injuries etc., so it's better than only going with two QBs, so I'm fine with it. I'd have upgraded this grade to an A if Sataere had picked a QB with a bit more star power than Mariota as his QB1.

RBs: C+
I might be being a little harsh here, but... this is a worrying RB crew for a few reasons. Doug Martin will start the season suspended for three games, and Tampa Bay has some quality backups with Sims, Jaquizz, a fullback, and even Peyton Barber looked good when he played last year. Jordan Howard is a Bear; he's a really really good sophomore RB with a chance at being top five in the league, but he's still a Bear, and if his team is behind all the time and pushing the passing game as a consequence, that could cost him a lot of touches. I still like the pick as a high-upside solid-floor pick. Then there's Isiah Crowell and Jonathan Stewart as starting RBs who should provide a reasonable floor at the position, but with less upside potential.

What I don't like is that that's just four guys, and Dion Lewis is a really questionable fifth pick: he's possibly only third on the Pats roster, only has six touchdowns in four years, has never broken 300 rushing yards, and just isn't as good as the Patriots' 1 and 2 guys, Gillislee and White. So, we have four decent to strong RBs, one wasted pick with Lewis, and they're all week 9 and 11 byes, making for two dangerous points weeks. If this crew had a better fifth guy, or a sixth RB, and both were not on byes weeks 11/9, I'd upgrade it a lot, probably to a B+ on the strength of Howard and Martin.

WRs: A
Jordy Nelson, Jarvis Landry, Kelvin Benjamin, and Stefon Diggs are all solid, respectable choices for WR. Nelson is a star veteran player easily fitting into that much needed WR1 position, and the other three are all in good enough situations that they should routinely produce WR1/2 numbers. There's two gambles with John Brown and Jeremey Maclin; Brown has a tricky hammy and is not guaranteed to play through a season, although he's been living with Carson Palmer so there's some comittment there. And Maclin just landed with the Ravens, which maybe is good for him, or maybe not, who knows? Brown has the same by week as Nelson which is fine since he's just a gamble, while Landry and Benjamin sharing a bye is the only reason this isn't an A+. All told I love this set: six WRs, every one of which is either a star, a solid choice, or a real upside pick, and no question mark rookies. Very nice.

TEs: A
Greg Olsen is perenially a top-3 TE, and there's no reason to think that will change. Fiedorowicz isn't going to be the safety blanket for the league's worst starting QB this year, but he's still a checkdown target for Savage and/or the rookie in Houston, so that's fine. And Zach Miller is an underwhelming but reliable TE target in Chicago, another team with QB problems that often translates to TE checkdowns. And there's no bye week overlap. This is what you want in your TE crew: a star, and two boring but reliable performers.

D/STs: B
None of these Ds is a superstar defense (the chiefs are rated high, but I don't put them in the top grade with the Texans/Seahawks/Broncos), which is why this isn't an A grade, but there's three, they don't share bye weeks, and that's enough ensurance to basically guarantee a positive score almost every week. (Chiefs week 10 bye, the Giants play the 49ers and the Bears play the Packers; probably the Giants provide a decent score.) Going with that third D with the Bears raises an eyebrow given the minor hole at RB, but my feeling is that the RB situation needed someone other than Lewis, rather than necessarily a sixth RB taken from the D/ST slot, probably. So, this is just a B.

OVERALL GRADE: A-
Overall I like this team, mostly. Weeks 11 and 9 could be down weeks. It has reasonable crews at QB and D/ST, strong setups at WR and TE, a high-variance RB set that might or might not work out, and so I'd say a solid shot at a top-3 finish with winning not out of the question, although a couple other teams are I think higher favorites. I question two of the picks (Lewis and the Bears), but otherwise Sataere should be fairly pleased.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

please don't hate me :ohdear:

Not Forums User Wayne Gretsky/Timp


QBs: B
Man. Why is mitchell Trubisky here? OK back up a sec: here we have three very very reasonable choices at QB. The pundits seem to expect Dak to regress this year, but that's not at all a given, and there's nothing in Dallas' lineup to force that to happen. Cam Newton could easily have an up year and anyway probably is a solid floor, Joe Flacco is a fairly safe fill-in with upside potential, and let's face it: both men have led teams to the superbowl. So I love these three guys at QB. But as funny as it might seem, Trubisky is such a wasted pick: he might not play at all, and if he does, it's still the Bears. I'll go out on a limb and say it's a near-certainty that Trub will not contribute a single fantasy point to this team this year. So an otherwise A crew gets downgraded to a sad trombone B.

RBs: C
LOL wow. OK, Murray is a star pick, no question. But then, oh, yeesh. Where do I even start? OK All Day Peterson could finish in the top three, if he's at 100% form. But come on, he's old, and the Saints aren't exactly a run-first offense, and they have Mark Ingram who will probably keep the #1 slot. Maybe AP becomes a passing down player? I don't know, but that's the point, it's a big gamble question mark pick. Which brings us to exactly the same deal with Jamaal Charles, only even more so. The most efficient RB in the modern era maybe comes back to his old form and blows the world away in Denver, but the more likely story is that his knees are permanently wrecked and he'll never play again. Or possibly he'll play two agonizingly good games before blowing out a knee agian and ending his career. Or perhaps he'll be used cautiously and sparingly, flashing brilliance but never being allowed to build up some points. It's a total gamble that is fine for your sixth RB pick, same as AP. But. Who else is here? OK Jeremy Hill will play, but as always, he's in a committee. And the remaining two guys are rookies: Fournette and McNichols. McNichols does not rate to break out of special teams play this year, given the other pieces in place in TB, and Fournette despite his fourth overall pick spot is still on a team with TJ Yeldon and Chris Ivory. Maybe he is the next Zeke Elliot, or maybe he's a rookie who will be held back and developed. It's a gamble.

And that's the story of this RB crew. One really solid star player in Murray, one RBBC JAG in Hill, and four gambles. This RB crew could soar, or it could specactularly crash and burn, and I don't feel like I can guess which. So... I guess it's a strategy? I'll call this a C, but really it's both an A and an F.

WRs: C
Man, I sure wish this team had a sixth wide receiver. In this format you really should have six, and the wasted fourth QB pick is hitting the team hardest right here. Brown is of course a superstar, and I can't fault Golden Tate either. I've got the same problem with Meredith as I have with all Bears: that team is a trainwreck right now, so despite the talent, I can't call Meredith a safe pick. Perriman's spot on the Ravens is still a bit unclear since they grabbed Maclin and are reportedly trying to sign Eric Decker too: for now he has to be regarded as a second-year WR who might not exceed his 2016 numbers of 500 yards and three TDs. And Laquon Treadwell is probably at best a handcuff for Stefon Diggs; his first year consists of a single 15 yard catch so he's a wild gamble with I think very little potential to break out into big numbers. So basically on a solid, safe team, he'd be an okayish seventh WR pick, but on this team, I hate him. He is absolutely not good enough to be the fifth WR behind Breshad Perriman on a five-WR roster. Brown and Tate are carrying this crew, and that probably won't be good enough. Should I point out three of these five guys have week 9 byes? Tate and Perriman are it that week, and Detroit is playing the Packers. It could be like a six point week at the WR slot. D:

TEs: B
Jimmy Graham is a solid option, while old man Gates has apparently not retired somehow, so he'll pesumably still catch a few balls. Austin Hooper is a reasonable backup guy to slot in: he's a sophomore TE on a high-powered offense, so he's slated to progress, albeit he could also not work out. Even here, though, it's yet another gamble player on a team with way too many gambles; if Gates gets hurt, he'll surely retire, Hooper might or might not work out as the guy in Atlanta, leaving Graham as the only safe pick. I'm being generous with a B.

D/STs: B
The vikings are a solid, good D/ST, while the Falcons rate somewhere in the middle of the pack; a reasonable backup. Unfortunately, the Vikes are on bye week 9, along with four other important players on Timp's team (plus Trubisky). It's just one more place where that wasted pick could have shored things up; a third D/ST, even a low-tier one, provides some insurance. Still, I can't knock this roster spot too badly. It's OK.

OVERALL GRADE: C
I hate this team. But, I can't grade it lower than a C, because it's partly just a bias against the apparent strategy of "gamble at every opportunity." That could work out! Imagine if Jamaal Charles and Adrian Peterson are both reborn as dominating players, Cam Newton is great again, Antonio Gates plays out a whole season, Cameron Meredith carries the Bears, and Laquon Treadwell explodes into stardom? This team could win it all. Except come on, all of those things are unlikely individually, so this scenario is a real long-shot collectively. Plus you can't just tank one or two weeks and hope to win the season. This team rates to finish at or near the bottom of the list on week 9, and my bet is a bottom-six finish to the year, potentially bottom 3. Sorry.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Indeed! Like I said in the beginning, nobody should take my grades too seriously. I'm calling it how I see it, but I'm no football smarty smartpants guy, I'm just a guy.

Oh God What Happened To my Eye?/Beer4TheBeerGod


QBs: B+
Brees is always great, right? Well, he's getting old, but hasn't shown any sign of falling off a cliff yet, and he still has weapons. Stafford is a great second QB choice, he's still in his prime and has shown that even without Megatron he can turn in good weeks. Together they're a reasonable QB roster... but I would have liked to see a third man here, as a safety net. Even a guy like an Alex Smith, not guaranteed to finish the season, would provide a floor that is probably there at least for bye weeks 5 and 7.

RBs: B+
Carols Hyde is still fantastic. The niners are still rebuilding, but I like him on a Kyle Shanahabanana offense even better than last year. Mark Ingram is still the man in New Orleans: ok maybe AP takes some of his work, but maybe not. No-Longer-Quite-As-Fat Lacy in Seattle is another reasonable choice... he'll play. And C.J. Anderson should "regress upwards" in Denver, assuming he stays healthy. So there's a core of decently good players here all of whom at least have the opportunity to shine, although none of them are guarantees. Backing them up is C-mike, who is now a Colt, and Terrance West, probably still getting a solid share of the Ravens' runs. I'm OK with them too, as fifth ans sixth picks, and I'm OK with going six deep given the lack of a sure thing 100% can't lose RB on the roster. I'll knock the crew down a tiny bit due to two bye week overlaps, the most important in week 5 when both CJ and Ingram are off, while Hyde's 49ers play the Colts and Lacy's Seahawks play the the Rams; reasonable matchups for both men, so it should be OK. But mostly I'm not totally in love with these RBs due to the minor question marks among even the top four guys.


WRs: A-
Amari Cooper, Demaryius Thomas, and Mike Evans all on the same team? Holy moly. I love it. And those three guys don't share bye weeks, so this is a WR crew that can dominate just from its top three guys. Backing them up are some good options with Quincy Enunwa and Devin Funchess, although they both share the week 11 bye with Evans. I'm knocking this crew though with the in my opinion completely unnecessary seventh WR with John Ross, a rookie Bengal. OK, he's a first round pick, yes. But he's also coming off shoulder surgery, and it's not like he's going to eclipse AJ Green or Brandon LaFell in his rookie year. On a normal fantasy team, I'd like him as a stash: in dynasty I'd love him. But set against the superstar top three, I actually have to knock down this grade slightly for the pick. This guy should have been a third QB or D/ST.

TEs: B
Kyle Rudolph is a fine pick. Jesse James is a fine backup guy to take. Except, woops, same bye week! So I guess Gerald Everett exists to fill in week 9; the Rams play the Giants that week. But Everett is a rookie, a Ram, and did I mention he's a rookie? I can't credit this pick as being worthwhile, not even in round 17. C.J. Fiedorowicz and Charles Clay were both still available, among others.

D/STs: C
The rams and the chargers? Two middle of the pack defenses that have not recently stood out, and the Rams D/ST has the added problem of maybe being on the field more than they should unless the new coaches can create substantial improvement on the Rams' O. With a third middle-of-the-pack D/ST, this would be an alright crew worthy of a B grade: with a really good D/ST, it could have earned an A. But this is a low-effort afterthought couple of picks, and they're not going to contribute to a run at a win for the season.

OVERALL GRADE: B+
I feel like this team was nearly great. It's got a crazy-good core of WRs and a star QB, plus a decent selection of other good players. But I think Beer overly discounted D/STs, miscalculated with Gerald Everett and John Ross, and is missing important insurance at QB, D/ST, and maybe TE. A solid top-six team that needs to dodge any bad luck at two or three positions to contend for the championship.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Mitchell Trbibooooo.../Coronaball


QBs: B-
Big Ben is a solid, reliable QB1 pick, and Andy Dalton is a great pick for #2. Where my eyebrows are raising painfully is the DeShone Kizer selection. He's officially behind Cody Kessler, and ahead of Brock Lobstweiler, but it's June. Who the gently caress knows? As a safe backup he's obviously totally inappropriate, so I have to view him instead as an upside gamble. But... really, what's the big upside? Suppose he wins the starting job by week 1. Now what? It's still the cleveland browns! This team needs a lot of work, it's not just a winning team waiting for the right rookie quarterback to drive it to the playoffs. With a guaranteed-starting backup behind Roethlisberger and Dalton, I'd give it an A. With a low-upside gamble, it's a B-.

RBs: C+
I'll say right off the bat, a lot of folks think Melvin Gordon is undervalued, and I agree. He's a star RB and I expect more big scores out of him again this year. So he's a great anchor to an RB crew. LeGarrette Blount is another solid choice; we haven't seen exactly how he'll be used in Philly, but he'll surely get used. And finally, Ty Montgomery is a big deal guy, if he's rated as both a WR and RB again this year. Otherwise, he's maybe the lead back in probably a committee in Green Bay, which still holds value, but not as much. Unfortunately, this is the point that this seven-man RB crew falls off a goddamn cliff. Rex Burkhead and Jaquizz Rodgers are at best RB3s in a committee, and at worst, glued to the bench for significant portions of the season. And Marlon Mack and Christian McCaffrey are rookies, albeit very different ones. McCaffrey at least has a shot at a lead role, although the Panthers are very unlikely to turn him into a bellcow his rookie year; the best you can say for Mack is that he's probably going to make the team. Put it all together and what we have here is two really solid guys, one decent dude, and too many gambles, question marks, and fourth stringers. Gordon and Burkhead share a bye week, as do Rodgers/McCaffrey/Mack, but since Mack and Rodgers may be bench warmers, I can discount the week 11 issue.

WRs: B+
I don't hate these guys. Hill, Crowder, and Hopkins are all excellent receivers who are only held back by their situations - specifically, their quarterbacks. I think on balance, Crowder is the most reliable among them, and then Hill, while Nuk may or may not have a passer who can get the ball into his vicinity. I'm OK with the questions there, because there's three other good to middling choices on this roster; Taylor Gabriel has a role, albeit not a leading one, in Atlanta. Similarly, Marvin Jones I think is secure in the #2 role in Detroit. Paul Richardson is the outsider - I think he makes the team, but he's not guaranteed a significant role. Taken together I think this is a solid WR set, with no wasted picks. Maybe add Ty Montgomery to the list. My first real criticism then is that I don't see any of them as superstars - there's no Antonio Brown/Julio Jones/Mark Evans kind of guy who is likely to throw up several huge games a year. And secondly, there's two shared bye weeks - week 5 and 7 - that add a little risk.


TEs: C+
Eric Ebron is not a great leading TE. He's OK, but I don't think his role is such that he turns in big games much during the season. The backups here are the big problem, though. Jared Cook is possibly fine, since he tends to have two big games each year, but the rest of the time he is a garbage man and I think the Raiders might not put up with that. And OJ Howard is a bigger gamble: he's a first round TE pick, and expected to both block and catch, but cameron brate could definitely keep his starting role and in any case as previously discussed, rookie TEs rarely do much in fantasy. Overall my problem here is spending three picks at TE but not winding up with reliable points at the position.


D/STs: D+
The broncos are great. But where's the second D/ST? This is a guaranteed goosegg week 5, and no D/ST consistently performs, period. Not even the vaunted Broncos. Given how good Denver is, a second pick of even a middling D/ST would have pushed this from a D to a B+ or A- kind of grade, but without it, it's just a real big problem.


OVERALL GRADE: B-
Roethlisburger, Melvin Gordon, and three good WRs aren't enough to put a fantasy team into contention. They're good, and there's some quality backups particularly at WR, but there are too many poor picks on this team for it to really shine. DeShone Kizer and Marlon Mack are just errors, OJ Howard and Paul Richardson are gambles unlikely to pay off, there are a few too many bye week duplicates, and D/ST is a serious problem. This team is pretty much a textbook "will finish in the middle of the pack" roster, with very little chance at a top three finish, albeit no disastrous choices that should plunge it to the bottom either.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Vietcongos/Vietcampo


QBs: B
Kirk Cousins is fine as a QB1 pick; maybe not the absolute top tier, but he's doing very well, and barring a sudden change in contract negotiations, in a prove-it year. As a backup QB, Tyrod Taylor is just OK; he has upside, perhaps, but is unlikely to suddenly shine bright. The lack of a third QB is a minor problem, though; week 5, Vietcampo is stuck with Taylor vs. the Bengals, and week 6, Cousins vs. the 49ers... so that's one not great matchup and one great matchup, probably. I'd still have liked to see either a better QB2, or a third guy, or both.

RBs: C
Shady is a great anchor for an RB corps, but the rest of this crew ranges from an OK guy in a RBBC (James White) to a high-upside gamble (Marshawn Lynch) to a bunch of low-upside gambles (all the rest). Williams can be seen as a McCoy handcuff, I guess. Woodhead is a career backup who will presumably do the same with the Ravens, or maybe earn a regular rotational spot... so another RBBC. And Donnell Pumphrey is a rookie who will likely make the team, but could wind up doing nothing but special teams. All told I'm really worried about this roster; at best, it's two regular performers and two acceptable but lower-usage backups. At worst, it's one solid guy and a lot of bad weeks.


WRs: B+
There's a lot of solid picks here. I like Adams, Pryor, Thomas, and Fitz as veteran high-performers who should perform highly again this year. Mike Wallace and Marquise Lee also have opportunities, which make them good WR4-5 picks. I'm not too sure about the Zay Jones pick, but only because I don't know him; he's a rookie 2nd round pick in Buffalo, so he has opportunity, but is unlikely to be a superstar rookie; if Watkins' foot doesn't get better, he could be a huge bargain pick though, so that's cool. What knocks this crew down is the lack of a clear superstar top-five kind of guy, added to some problems with bye weeks. Week 8 in particular is a gamble, and there are two guys out week 5 as well. Still, this is a satisfying set of WRs with no weak spots.

TEs: B
Eifert and Fleener are perfectly fine guys to own at tight end. They both have solid records, remain in good situations, and have few question marks. Highly questionable is the pick of Jake Butt as a third guy, though: amusing name aside, he's very unlikely to matter, and he shares a bye week with Fleener to boot. I'm OK with taking a third TE, and even OK with a flyer, but Butt is coming off of surgery and not even guaranteed to make the team. Virgil Green isn't even owned, and no surprise given his performance in recent years, so why would you want the guy three spots behind him on the roster chart? Grab a third QB or a D/ST not on week 10 bye instead.

D/STs: C
Neither the Eagles nor the Ravens have an overwhelming D/ST, and they share a week 10 bye. If you're just taking middle-road fill-in D/STs, doubling up on the bye is a serious mistake. Even without that, there's not much of a chance of more than two or three big games all year from these two, although at least you're unlikely to get negative scores much.

OVERALL GRADE: B-
An underwhelming team destined to finish in the middle of the pack. There are some strong players at WR and QB, and the TE position is reasonably covered, but weaknesses at RB and D/ST are problems. I feel like with the exception of Pumphrey and Butt, this was more of a "take safe guys" kind of team; I'd rather see two or three high-upside gambles instead of low-upside joke picks.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Zeke's Freeks/Varg


QBs: A-
Manning and Rivers are solid if not amazing choices at QB; both are likely to have a few bad games, but both are capable of a few big games too. Siemian is exactly the kind of guy I like to see as a third QB option: he's the favorite in Denver, albeit a gamble, because he could lose his job to Paxton Lynch potentially, but if he does keep that job, he's surrounded by talent and great coaches who could have him playing big games by the end of the season. And if he isn't the guy, well, Manning and Rivers by themselves are a reasonably safe floor.

RBs: B+
This feels like "Zeke Elliot, plus some guys" to me, and that's not ideal. Obviously Zeke is tremendous, although some argue he's due to regress a bit in his second year. What's worrying is identifying a clear, solid RB2. Arguably that's supposed to be Mike Gillislee, but realistically he's in an RBBC with James White and Dion Lewis. And maybe Bolden or Burkhead. I expect Gillislee to have a few standout games, but I can't credit a new england RB as being an all-season starter. Ware, Duke Johnson, and Vereen are all likely to see the field, but very unlikely to win a bellcow role or even in Vereen and Johnson's cases be the starter. Johnson is behind Crowell, Ware is just ahead of West, and Vereen is a passing-down guy behind Paul Perkins. Joe Williams rounds out the pack as a dark horse candidate: the buzz is that Shanahan demanded him, but I see Hyde as impossible to bench and Hightower as a proven quality RB2/3 kind of guy, so more likely Williams is in development for next year (Hyde will be a free agent) rather than an immediate slot into first team play. OK for the RB6.

WRs: B+
Another solid but unspectacular set of players who can be relied upon not to suck as a group, but lacking one big superstar to drive big wins. Thielen, Arob, Edelman, and Beasley are all solid proven performers on teams where they should be heavily utilized. Brandon Marshall is now a Giant, which might be good for him, but he's in a crowded receiving corps with no certainty as to how he'll be used. I don't mind him but I think his upside potential is limited. The guys who seem like they don't belong are Eric Decker, whose situation is very unclear on a new team - he'll compete with Rishard Matthews, Corey Davis, Tajae Sharpe, Taywan Taylor, Harry Douglas maybe, Delanie Walker, and DeMarco Murray for targets. That's OK for a late round flyer pick, but Varg took Decker in the fifth round, and I think that's a reach. Consider WRs that went soon after included Emmanuel Sanders, Tyreek Hill, Larry Fitzgerald, and Corey Coleman. The other guy is Rams third-round pick Cooper Kupp, who is slated to be the slot receiver on that offense, being thrown to by Jared Goff probably. A gamble, but OK for a 19th round pick! The three week 8 and two week 9 bye weeks are a minor problem.

TEs: B
Delanie Walker is really quite good, albeit not a top five guy, and Julius Thomas ought to do better this year and serve as a reasonable TE2. I think a third TE instead of the superfluous sventh WR would have been a better choice.

D/STs: C
The steelers are a middle of the pack defense, and the dolphins are significantly further down in the pack. If you're going to only take two D/STs, I think you're obliged to take a really good one as your top pick; relying on the steelers and dolphins is not a great plan.

OVERALL GRADE: B
This is a good team. But I just don't love it at any position. None of the positions are horribly weak, but none of them impress me as league-leading either. I expect this team to finish well, but it'll need a fair bit of luck to break the top three, and with some bad luck it could be a bottom-six finisher. Overall it's too safe, lacking in high-upside lottery tickets, and relying too much on Zeke Elliot to carry the day.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Final thoughts:
I wrote these and posted them as I finished each one, so they're probably not consistent across the board. In particular I suspect I called for like eight teams to finish in the top six. I probably didn't adequately distinguish the middling teams. I'm guessing that with a couple of exceptions, all of the teams are pretty decent with at least some shot at a top-three finish, and even the worst teams aren't embarrassingly awful. That goes to show that goon FF people are pretty well informed and not stupid.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Gerald Everett is a rookie, but so was Jordan Reed. And Evertt's head coach was Reed's former TE coach and then offensive coordinator. In round 17 I really like his upside.

Another thing I didn't do consistently is look at where people drafted guys. In a few cases I was like "who is this gamble?" and checked and saw it was a very late round pick, and then stated that that was OK, but I undoubtedly missed some places where I should have given credit - or penalized - for value picks and reaches.


Doing this writeup I think helped me prep for the next slow draft, too. A lot of players I had to look up on rotoworld and then revise my opinion as I was writing.

VietCampo posted:

You know i didn't even realize both my DST's had the same bye until after the draft, haha.

When i took them both back to back i could've swore one of them was bye week 9 but i think that was the team right above one of them.

By that point all the top tier DSTs were already gone from the run and with the Eagles, they aren't top tier or anything but they produce in fantasy, consistently ending up like top 5 the last couple years in points.


Basically though my team is gonna be carried by my squad of WR2's whenever Shady and Beast both get injured. Thanks for the write ups, great reading.

Fantasypros [url=https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/dst-cheatsheets.php]puts the Eagles at the top of "tier 4," 15th out of 32 - e.g, not great but not terrible - in their D/ST 2017 rankings. I relied on that table for my D/ST opinions, mostly.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Yeah it's useful to hear your thinking regardless, and I don't think we're strongly disagreeing either. :)

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I think your thinking is pretty well aligned with mine. In this format I favor minimum 3 at any position. I've done slow draft two years running already, so this is the third year, and what I keep finding is that injuries are random enough that you just can't count on two guys to stay healthy and if you lose one, you're simply out of the running, period.

This is my 2016 slow draft I roster: http://www54.myfantasyleague.com/2016/options?L=52094&O=07&F=0005
Early in the summer it seemed like Jared Goff was sure to be the Rams starter; that was wrong, and it cost me. Going with just two kickers was also horrible, although my luck there was kind of insane; not many starting NFL kickers wind up not on a team halfway through the season. Only having two D/STs also seemed like a weakness, even with two pretty decent ones. And Bruce Miller was a very late round half-joking pick that was supposed to be a lottery ticket, but it was dumb to take a 4th TE with not much upside. That drove home for me that there just aren't enough draft positions available to be goofing around with any of them; a longshot lottery ticket needs to have a big upside potential to be worth it, and it should also be in a position where you could use the points - I already had three TEs. Marshawn Lynch was... well, on the exact day I drafted him there was still some questions, becuase he hadn't signed his retirement papers for no explained reason, and I thought... wow, maybe he's not done? Turns out I was right! Just a season early.

All told I just had too many gambles on that team. I had some bad luck too, but you have to assume you'll have some bad luck, and make sure you can weather it. I did that with my WRs (Doctson never got healthy enough to play really, but Landry/Nelson/Sanders kept the position alive) but failed with my RBs (Murray and sometimes Powell wasn't enough to make points every week). I did it at QB (Goff was a disaster but I had two very solid guys with Rodgers and Palmer so I was OK) but failed at kicker. Etc.

That team finished 8th, averaging 121 points per week, while the winning team (VietCongo's) averaged 142. I don't know if I could have found 21 points a week from fixing the holes at K and RB, but I could have finished a lot higher.

Here is my 2016 slow draft II roster: http://www71.myfantasyleague.com/2016/options?L=58011&O=07&F=0005
It's a similar story. A failed gamble on Jared Goff (for gently caress's sake why did I draft him twice), hosed by Blair Walsh (ughhhh), a lack of depth at K and D/ST, and bad luck with a couple guys (Ben Watson, Khiry Robinson, Josh Doctson). Eight wideouts was clearly too many. Six RBs I think was OK, I had decent peformances from the top ones so losing Khiry didn't hurt as much. Same deal with Mariota + Palmer compensating for the lack of Goff. Jordon Cameron was a mistake, too. I feel like this draft was better than the one I talked about above, and the results bear that out: I averaged 132 points per week, but in a league where the winner managed 147, so a similar finish.

It's worth looking at the two winning teams in those leagues.

Here's VietCongo's winning roster for 2016/1: http://www54.myfantasyleague.com/2016/options?L=52094&O=07&F=0006
Surprising me here, he only has 2 each of QB, K, and D/ST, concentrating depth at WR and RB. I think the keys are: Zeke, Luck, Crabtree, and the Texans, plus good luck with injuries and few gambles on rookies. But there's still some washouts and zeros, and obviously Zeke was a gamble on a rookie, so... yeah, this team kind of makes a mockery of my analysis so far in this thread.

Here's the 2016/2 roster: http://www71.myfantasyleague.com/2016/options?L=58011&O=07&F=0012
Hmmmmm. I may need to rethink things.

e. Big picks here were DeMarco Murray in the 5th round, because a lot of people were down on him after his lovely 2015 season; Jordy Nelson coming back from injury to have a monster year as a 2nd round pick; Jameis Winston having a monster year as a 11th round pick; and the Buccaneers in the 24th round. I think the key to winning the league is just drafting incredible values, maybe.
e2. Also lol both kickers had the same bye week so I guess going goosegg on kicker points week 8 doesn't mean poo poo

fantasy football is dumb

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jun 21, 2017

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I went from 115.5 last week to the weekly high score of 161 this week, largely on the strength of Carson Wentz, Jalen Richard, Jason Witten, and the Cincinnati Bengals D.

and Matt Forte...
...and Jack Doyle?

I uh, don't think I'll be repeating that performance soon.

I've got two busts so far: Latavius Murray, the odd man out in Minnesota, and Mike Williams, who hasn't returned from injury. That's actually not bad compared to last year when I think I started the season with multiple players on free agency, and went half the season without a starting kicker.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I (Anvil of Crom) bounce between fantastic and horrible weeks. Top score week 2, bottom scores weeks 3 and 4. Stop getting injured you bastards :argh:

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Hah, I just did that yesterday myself. Was thinking of doing a mid-season writeup based on the preseason writeups I did, see how well I predicted success etc.
Would anyone care about that?

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Alright. I'm gonna quote previous reviews so I can comment on them.
Starting again with my own roster:


Leperflesh posted:

Anvil of Crom/Leperflesh


QBs: A-
I drafted QBs early, and got two excellent ones with Rodgers and Carr. Wentz is a decent third QB/backup option with upside. Wetz shares a bye with Carr week 10, when Rodgers is playing the Bears at Soldier - a division rivalry matchup against a really bad team ought to mean decent numbers for Rodgers, but it's still a week with no backup QB if he's injured or something. This, and the relatively high amounts of draft equity spent to pick these guys up, are the only reasons I knocked it down from A to A-.

New rating: B
I have to downgrade my grade here, because the worst thing that could happen totally happened and I'll be getting zilch at QB in week 10. On the other hand, I picked well for my QBs: Wentz and Carr have ensured that I've gotten solid points at QB most every week, even with Rodgers out: even with Carr being hurt and having poor outings weeks 3-6, Wentz filled in nicely, and his 32 points in week 7 were delicious.

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RBs: C+
This group is riding on a lot of question marks. Miller was overworked last year and the Texans now have help at RB. Forte is old and expected to give way to Powell. Murray is on a new team and is not a star anyway, despite his numbers last year. Kelley has competition and is a Redskin. Richard is purely for insurance. And this is just five RBs, where most teams went six deep. Overall I suspect out of the top four, at least two should have decent seasons, but there's no superstar in this mix. A key injury or two could pose problems. On the other hand, there are no overlapping bye weeks, so this team should still at least put up positive numbers at the two mandatory RB positions every week.

Y...yeah, maybe even a C+ was too nice. Lamar Miller's 89 on the season is pretty crap: 7 teams in our league have at least one RB who has more than 100 points on the season (and Drunk Nerds' team has two), so topping out at 89 is well below average. Fat Rob, Latavius Murray, and until very recently Matt Forte have been mostly busts, and the Forte/Richard pair are performing as backups - Richard scored high in week 2, and Forte has put up 10+ points three times, but otherwise has been a bencher. I can be hopeful that based on last night's Jets game maybe Forte will become more of a standout player rest of season, and Kelley got a TD last week, but my floor on RB points per week is way lower than it should be. This was undoubtedly the cost of going so hard on QB early in the draft.

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WRs: B
Julio Jones is a superstar who, unless he gets hurt, can be counted on for a top-five WR finish, befitting his fifth overall pick spot. Sanu is a good backup option on the same team if he does get hurt. Crabtree is a strong WR2 on a team anticipated to make a deep playoff run, and he tends to get more volume than Amari Cooper on that offense. Stills and Cobb are both reasonable shots at occasional good weekly numbers, and the injured Williams is a question mark/longshot. What downgrades this group to a mere B are the lack of high-upside rookies other than Williams, and with only six WRs, the flex spot could prove to be a problem some weeks. On the other hand, only Sanu and Jones share a bye week, so barring injuries, there should still be decent numbers every week.

C-
Ughhh. I really can't be faulted for thinking Julio Jones would be a superstar, right? But this year he's just not, despite winding up counting for starter points every week other than his bye for me, which is itself an indictment of the rest of my WR bench. In fact the giant value on the team is Crabtree (who I have been totally right about compared to Cooper except up till week 8), and Mohamed Sanu was also a good value, starting every time he hasn't been on bye or hurt. Kenny Stills might have been better with Tannehill, but was only supposed to be an occasionally good player. Mike Williams missed 5 games from injury and has not been used since. Randall Cobb was useful weeks 1, 2, and 4, but has seemingly faded into uselessness since, and taking a 3.5 point contribution from him in week 6 really hurts.

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TEs: C-
I took Njoku too early, and Doyle is unlikely to stand out at the position weekly. Jason Witten should have a solid year, but even with three guys at TE, this group doesn't really impress. The overdrafting of Njoku depresses the score. No bye week conflicts means TE should at least not be a terrible drain on the team's weekly performance, but it would have been better to draft two better TEs and hand the extra roster slot back to the RBs or WRs.

C-
Only one other team in our league has two TEs that put up 60+ points on the season (Beer's wife, with Engram and Ertz). Is that good? Consider Doyle's 68 and Witten's 63 both include bye weeks, too. Essentially they've been trading off as starters: Witten has gotten me 14.5, 20, 10, and 13 points in starting weeks, while Doyle has contributed 11, 2(!), 4.5, 14.5, and 24. And meanwhile, my mistake with Njoku has still earned me 8, 2, and 11.4 points in weeks 3,4, and 5.

Overall I think some solid choices at TE have helped to rescue me in weeks when my RBs and WRs were awful, but... that's not the ideal situation, and Njoku remains on balance a huge mistake. I should have skipped Njoku at the spot I drafted him in favor of more WR or RB depth.

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D/STs: B+
Patriots and Cowboys should both have decent seasons, and the Bengals may occasionally impress when the thugs the team employs on defense get away with their dirty hits and rack up some high sack numbers. Three D/STs might seem like too many, especially since Cincinnati and the Cowboys share a bye week, but the Pats face the Jets week 6 so I'm not concerned there. I also think most teams going with two or even just one D/ST are excessively discounting the position. D/STs are very random, and even a really good team will have a few bad weeks every season when they manage to get scored on a bit or fail to generate sacks or whatever. A third D/ST is worth more, I feel, than a seventh WR or a sixth RB.

B+?
Solid. 96, 99, and 90 points from these crews. The Patriots as the third-runner put up a starting points value just once - their 16-point game against the Jets in week 6 - but that represents the absolute floor for my D/ST position all year. Without them, I'd have had a 0, due to doubling up on the bye week. Then again, my analysis was pretty wrong - it's the Pats who have been the also-ran so far. If I'd taken a crew with a different bye week instead of the Bengals or the Cowboys, I might have been able to squeeze out 16+ every week on only two D/STs, which would have allowed for better depth at other positions.

I think it's too early to tell if my three-D/ST strategy was stupid or good.

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OVERALL GRADE: B
I'm pretty pleased with this team overall. I think it's well balanced, and I avoided the trap I fell into last year of drafting too many rookies. I also paid close attention to bye weeks, and limited how many injured/injury prone guys I picked up. Where the team fails, I think, is that it's not ambitious enough... I expect to finish in the top six, but I don't think I have a decent shot at the winning position, due to a lack of lottery tickets that could hit big. This is a safe, solid fantasy team that may wind up being boringly consistent.

C+
It's not my fault Rodgers died, but I've probably had below average to average injury rates (carr, crabtree, miller, forte, and sanu were all significant players who missed some time, but only Rodgers hit IR). My RB picks are the team's weak point, and Julio was the wrong star to pick... the Falcons in general are a much worse team without Shanahan, and that was a potentially predictable regression. I'm currently in fifth position in the league standings, but that's 74 points behind the leader, with no exciting prospects on my roster that could break out at any moment and start making up that gap. 2nd place is not far behind 1st, so really at this point I'm hoping to climb to third place by the end of the season, but easily able to slide back to 6th or worse.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Beer's Wife:



Leperflesh posted:

I'm just going in alphabetical order here, so... apologies in advance to Beer's Wife, I'm not trying to pick on you. But your team is... not great.

LOL I was so wrong. Beer's Wife is sitting third in the league, 26 points ahead of 4th place. Her team is... not not great.

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Beer's Wife


QBs: C-
Winston is projected to have a great year, and Alex Smith has generally been a solid backup option. However, Goff was awful last year and could well lose his job, and Kansas City has clearly drafted a man they hope to replace Smith, possibly before the end of the season. This team could wind up depending entirely on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' offensive power to generate points at the QB position. On the other hand, perhaps Goff's sophomore year and a change in coaching will show that he's actually able to perform, and perhaps Alex Smith will be allowed to play out the season. There's no bye week overlaps. So I think this is a risky group that could tank the team, but with limited upside of maybe being OK.

A-
Nowhere was I more wrong than here, at QB. I mean... should we credit Beer's Wife for knowing that Alex Smith would have the best season of his career? Or guessing that Jared Goff was going to leap forward from "massive draft bust" to "serviceable QB on a team actually seriously contending for a division championship"? gently caress I don't know, but that's what happened, so we can only guess as to whether this was sheer luck or sheer skill.

It's worth noting as well that she took her first QB, Winston, in the 6th round, and got Smith in the 14th and Goff in the 15th. So the huge story here isn't so much picking Smith/Goff as winners, but getting them at tremendously cheap draft value.

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RBs: C
I'm really not sure what's going on here. We have two rookies in Kamara and Cook, a couple of backups who might not play much in Abdullah and Bio Bernard, Derrick Henry who is really just a handcuff for DeMarco Murray, and the best of the bunch is Darren Sproles, an old man whose use in the passing game is not enough to make up for his low TD production. Plus the Eagles just grabbed LeGarrette Blount. The best I can say for this bunch is that rookie Dalvin Cook could possibly outshine Latavius Murray (who has a bum ankle) and maybe be a big star, althoug I think much more likely that the Vikes have a RBC in which the rookie Cook spends a lot of time learning and generally being kept in reserve. Alvin Kamara has no chance at even that sort of usage, behind Mark Ingram and Adrian Peterson. This is a full crew of six RBs with no bye week overlaps, but I can't give a lot of credit for that given how many of these guys could be benched on any given week.

B
The story here is that despite Darren Sproles and Dalvin Cook languishing on IR, and none of her RBs breaking 80 points on the season, every single one of her RBs has contributed points to her season score. Some have been quite low, but the point is that while there's no superstar - only one other team in the league has no RBs contributing 80+ points so far - she also has very few goose eggs on the list. As for my assessment: I was right about Cook, wildly wrong about Kamara (becuase the saints are stupid and misused AP, or I'm stupid in thinking AP could be used by the Saints, I'm not sure which), and generally not totally wrong about the list having no big star. But I missed that a crew of serviceable RBs is a viable strategy in this format, because any guy who can get 40 yards or a TD has a chance to contribute points and that's better than getting zero points.

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WRs: A-
This team really shines at the WR position, with TY Hilton, AJ Green, DeVante Parker, and Sterling Shepard all in good positions to have big years. Keenan Allen is recovering from a lost year but if he's healthy he's another WR1. Even this team's WR6, Allen Hurns, is a solid choice, and Chris Godwin on Tampa Bay could even contribute. Actually though, Godwin is why I have to give this group a -. Given the strength of the top six WRs, this team did not need a seventh pick, and it is suffering at every other position. While potentially dominating the WR/WR/Flex positions most weeks, Beer's Wife is goign to trail or even have zeros at other positions with regularity. Instead of drafting Chris Godwin in the 18th round, taking a third TE or D/ST might have been an idea; or better, leave off one of those six WR1 players earlier in the draft to grab a decent RB.

A-
Hm. Well, I typed the above assuming, as most people did, that Andy Luck was going to actually play this year, which was totally wrong. Hilton has still contributed points, but A.J. Green was the big star: his 97 points make him the third-highest-scoring owned WR in our league. The other story here is Chris Godwin sucking: he was indeed a garbage pick, only contributing to starting points once on the season (and that was a 0.5 in week 7, yuck). His best outing was 5.5 points week 3, but has otherwise failed to garner more than half a point in any given week, and that is not looking to change.

Probably the best thing about the crew behind Green is that they're all playing and contributing. Shepard has been hurt, but is now probably the top target for Eli Manning when he comes back, possibly this week vs. the Rams. He put up a good score in week 3, too. Parker is hamstrung by Miami's situation, and has spent four weeks being injured, but he put up solid scores weeks 2-4 and could do so again. Hilton had big scores against the garbage defenses of the Browns and Niners and is not facing another sweetheart matchup, so the prospects for his future contributions are poor. But Allen Hurns and Keenan Allen are both solid near every week starters for this team, putting up startable points most weeks with regularly useful target numbers.

All told I think I got my predictions about right: barring injuries I had the players fairly well pegged, and feel right about Godwin.

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TEs: D
Here we have Zach Ertz, who should be fine, and Evan Engram, rookie TE for the New York Giants. Despite his first round pick, we have established that rookie tight ends rarely perform... and the Giants have Will Tye, a known factor, on a team that does not feature big TE play in any case. Engram will need to be taught to block on lots of passing downs while Odell Beckham, Brandon Marshall, Sterling Shepard, Roger Lewis, etc. suck up big passing plays. So, really this is Zach Ertz with nothing much behind him. Ertz will likely get 800 yards and maybe two to five TDs, but there will be weeks when he puts up a low score, and on those weeks, Beer's Wife will have a low score at TE. Week 10 when Ertz is on bye the Giants face the Niners, a matchup I don't think likely to leave Eli Manning desperate for his checkdown TE option, so that could be a zero.

A
Here I think is the biggest area where I totally hosed it up. My Njoku pick was a big mistake, therefore Engram was also a big mistake, right? Well, Will Tye isn't a Giant any more, and with half their receiving corps injured, Engram's opportunity has been huge... and he's made the most of it. He's started for Beer's Wife four times, contributing at least 9 points and as many as 16.5, largely on the basis of three TDs and a ton of first downs. He had 12 targets in week 7 and should continue to get tremendous opportunity moving forward.

The other story here is Zack Ertz, who is TE1 in our league with seven more points than Travis Kelce thorugh week 8. His season floor is 10.5 points and 5 targets, better than the ceiling on several other owner's TE corps. With a starter like that, who needs a backup? Well, Engram's been able to fill in as a FLEX option for Beer's Wife due to Ertz' incredible reliability. And the decision to only have two TEs has yet to backfire, although we'll see as the season progresses.

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D/STs: B
The seahawks are fine and the bills are fine. Unfortunately, they share a week 6 bye, so that'll be a goosegg that week. Going with two decent to very good D/STs is a valid choice, but the shared bye week is just a mistake that knocks a letter off the grade.

B
Yup. I was completely right here: the seahawks and bills have been fine, turning in over 100 points each on the season, but taking a 0 on week 6 hurt. Turn Chris Godwin into a non-week-6-bye D/ST and this team maybe gets another 8+ points closer to second place in the standings. There are four other teams with at least two 100+ point D/STs, so ensuring you get a good score every week remains a priority for staying at the top of the charts, particularly given the late rounds that D/STs are available. The top unowned D/ST, the Detroit Lions, put up 18 points in week 6... and the Saints put up 33! The worst option, the Jets, put up 8: the others are the Skins 9, the browns 13, the colts 9, the titans 11, even the niners put up 9 points: the point is, pick any D/ST rated as next on the list and you likely had a solid score here, possibly a big one.

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OVERALL GRADE: C
This team's monster WR crew will not be enough to overcome its weaknesses at most other positions. It has a few rookies, but mostly not with a ton of upside/lottery ticket potential, with the possible exception of Dalvin Cook. I doubt he's the next Zeke Elliot, but... maybe? I don't think it's enough. The team went too heavy on star WRs and failed to put together a roster that could compete across the board.

B+/A-
This team's monster WR crew was not such a monster, but having good bench depth at RB, a fantastic pair of picks at TE, and a solid and highly useful QB corps puts this team into championship contention, at least through week 8. Injuries could be costly, though: if Alex Smith or AJ Green go down, things look really bad, and Zach Ertz really needs to stay healthy, too. Call this a B+ if getting Smith and Goff was just luck of the random draw of QBs available in late rounds, or an A- if those were carefully-thought-out value picks.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Look this hurts me as much as it hurts you

wait no that's not right, uh...

right got it listen babe, it's not you, it's me

hmm

Let me work on my lame excuse for why I'm still gonna do a writeup on you

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Corn Elder Thing/VEritek83:


Before I get into the details, I just have to note that this is a beat up team. That is some lousy dang luck and it's obviously had a big impact on the team's success. Still, Corn Elder Thing is sitting last in the league with just 864 points, and yet I rated the team an A- originally. Is it entirely down to injuries, or was I way off base as well?

Leperflesh posted:

Corn Elder Thing/Veritek83


QBs: A-
Russel Wilson is a star even in a year when his OL is terrible. It can't possibly get worse there, but of course, he could get injured, but it's still a really solid good pick. Blake Bortles actually put up nearly as many points as Wilson last year; it comes from fun slinging the ball in a lot of behind games, but that still counts. And Bryan Hoyer's job in SF is to manage a rebuilding offense; not likely to be a standout guy, but he has at least a chance of a couple of good games. He also is probably going to finish the season: Matt Barkley is not going to beat out Hoyer for the job, and it seems very doubtful that third round pick C.J. Beathard could maybe somehow be a diamond in the rough. So, you've got a great QB1, a solid QB2, and a reasonably safe QB3. A good set.

B-
Well. I was sort of right about Wilson; 161 points on the year is solid. Unfortuantely, the backups here turned out to be worse than expected. Bortles is still pushing 100, and that's not terrible for your QB2, but it's also not good enough: only three other teams are lacking a 100+ point QB2 on the roster, and as we'll see, all three had either at least one really poor QB choice, at least one QB on IR for the whole season, or both. Where this team's QB picks really failed was with Bryan Hoyer, and while I saw Hoyer as a bad QB, I didn't guess that he'd wind up benched by week 6. Beathard was not a diamond in the rough, as I suspected, but he still got playtime, because Hoyer was crap.

But Wilson! And the Jags have found a way to win games, but it's through restraining Bortles and having a functional running game and an exciting, dynamic, top-of-the-league defense. Bort just isn't being cut loose to funsling it all over the place any more, and understandably so, but that's costing Corn Elder Thing some points. Wilson slotted in as the QB even in poor weeks like week 1 (10 points) and week 2 (14 points). He's doing great now, though, so assuming he stays healthy, 20+ per game rest of season is certainly possible.

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RBs: B+
David Johnson is a superstar who, barring injury, can carry a team to a championship. What this team needs, though, is a good RB2 to fill out that slot, and all of the candidates are a bit lacking: Tevin Coleman is great, but in a solid RBC that limits his upside unless Devonta Freeman gets hurt; Thomas Rawls, Charles Sims, and Kenneth Dixon are all backup guys, and Dixon will miss four games due to a drugs suspension. Yes, Rawls also counts as a backup, because Seattle grabbed Eddie Lacy and they also like their C.J. Prosise, even if Rawls has shown some great stuff on occasion. He has yet to play out a full season. I think the hope here is that Lacy gets fat, Prosise gets hurt, and Rawls stays healthy: those are all plausible outcomes, which would put Rawls into RB1 numbers, so the possibility is surely there. Veritek83 rounds out his picks with James Conner, rookie third round pick for the Steelers. Unfortunately for Conner, the Steelers have Le'Veon Bell, and if Bell gets hurt, it's unlikely the team is goign to just give their rookie RB all the snaps. So he's another backup without the star upside potential of a Zeke Elliot. Overall this is a solid crew with an every-week monster at RB1, and a slew of guys at least one of which should manage ok RB2 numbers most weeks, but to get there cost six roster slots. One more small boost: none of thes guys share bye weeks.

D.
OK, yes, nobody could have predicted that DJ would die and lose most or all of a season. But I totally called it on the danger of having all your eggs in one DJ-sized basket. Rawls, Sims, Dixon, Conner, all useless backups. OK Dixon is also on IR, for the whole season, but he was gonna miss 4 games anyway and the Ravens don't need him. Coleman is the points leader, but Freeman is not hurt and so his upside is limited.
Basically this team took a shot in its heart, and that's just bad luck... but it had very very little to back up its one superstar RB, and that's a drafting mistake. I think I had the analysis right, but the grade wrong: riding your season on one guy is just a bad idea in this format.

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WRs: B
Corn Elder Thing's premiere WR is Doug Baldwin, a solid option in Seattle whose quite likely to put together his third 1000+ yard season. He scored 14 TDs in 2015, but only 7 last year: that sounds like a guy who is due to "upwardly regress" towards a mean of 10 TDs. Russell Wilson somehow manages to throw downfield even when he's scrambling, and as mentioned earlier, maybe his OL will get marginally better this year. So I really like this pick. The rest of the crew is more questionable. Rishard Matthews, Pierre Garcon, and Alshon Jeffery are all guys with talent and potential, but no guarantee. Matthews is WR3ish in Tennesee, Garcon is a niner getting thrown to by Brian Hoyer, and Alshon Jeffery is on a new team trying to claim targets from Jordan Matthews. Of the three, I like Jeffery's chances best: he's proven he can have a 1000+ yard season even in Chicago; if he can catch what Carson Wentz is chucking, he could be the WR2 that Veritek is looking for. The rest of this crew is unimpressive: Kevin White is a WR2 on a team with Mike Glennon or maybe Mark Sanchez or perhaps Mitchell Trubisky at QB, and he got a whole 19 catches his rookie year. He's a super dark horse candidate for meaningful production. And Golladay is a WR3 candidate in Detroit, who I think could be a great WR, but I doubt is going to outshine Golden Tate or Marvin Jones in his rookie year. All told, this WR crew reminds me of the RB crew: a star, a bunch of decent to good picks, a lot of roster slots spent, a decent spread across bye weeks, but given what's here, I'd have not bothered with Kevin White.

B
Man, I think I absolutely nailed this analysis! I'm really quite pleased with myself. Key points I got wrong: Baldwin is not "upwardly regressing" towards 10 TDs, and in fact is on pace for just 4 for the year. But he's getting the yards and the targets and is the top WR on this roster. Alshon is the #2: he's clicked with Wentz and is getting 2-4 catches most games, and has three TDs on the season. Pierre Garcon has gotten volume short passing yards from a garbage QB situation but zero TDs, and now he's headed to IR so he's done for the year. Matthews is getting three to six catches per game, but has only found the end zone once, and is not going to break out and become a key wideout on that team. Mitchell and White are non-contributors on IR.

As before, you can't fault Veritek for not predicting season-killing injuries, but this WR corps' three key guys are not cutting the mustard on their own, and the upside-gamble guys aren't really working out. This is a B for effort, and a C- for results, just from bad luck.

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TEs: B
Jordan Reed is an A, unless he gets his brain scrambled some more, which seems almost inevitable, at which point he turns into an F. This is the Jordan Reed enigma. I'm gonna go with him being an A for now, and paired with Hunter Henry who is very solid and probably going to be giving some good weeks, this would be a great TE set. Two As make an A, right? Well, no, because Jordan Reed will probably die, and then there's nobody but Henry at TE. I'm in the camp that says grab Jordan Reed if you can, but I think that choice forces you to take a third TE. Without it, I have to bump this grade down a letter.

C-. Reed has predictably missed two games and will miss a third this week. The surprise is that it's not concussion, but... the unfortunate bigger surprise is that Hunter Henry is not having a standout year, and the key problem is that Veritek really needed a third tight end to pick up the slack. A good one. Especially given the best-ball + flex format, with his injuries at RB and WR the game has slotted in both of his TEs in all but two weeks, and yes, that includes week 8 when Jordan Reed got 0.5 points. A tenth-round TE beats a useless or injured lottery ticket WR/RB that never worked out, it turns out.

If reed's injury woes continue, this grade probably goes down further to like a D.

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D/STs: B
The Panthers are a fine pick, but not a guarantee. The Jaguars... the Jaguars? Really? OK yes, they beefed up the D this year, but they always do, right? Maybe I'm out of the loop but I just don't think they can be relied upon. I think it's OK to grab them in best ball format anyway, because maybe they'll get a ton of sacks a few times a year, but I suspect with these two D/STs there are going to be some weeks when they both do badly.

A-
Welp I'm pleased to say I got this one wrong, on one count. I got the Panthers right: they're a fine pick, but not a guarantee, ranging between back-to-back 20+ point weeks 7-8, and back-to-back terrible games with 1 and 7 points respectively in weeks 3 and 4. But the Jags! Oh my goodness, the Jags. OK, yes, a 2 point game in week 2, but five of their 7 games so far this season have been 19 or more, and three have been 30 or more points! Fantastic. With a team like the Jags, the Panthers serve as a fine backup, and no need for a third D/ST. Maybe they'll have simultaneous bad matches later in the season for some reason or another, but I can't really find too much fault here, especailly since one thing this team really needs is more depth at the skill positions.

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OVERALL GRADE: A-
This is a pretty solid fantasy football team. I did a lot of nitpicking, but this is a team with no major holes; a great QB1, RB1, WR1, TE1 set, a bunch of guys who should turn in decent to quite good performances several times over the year, and no positions with gaping holes. If luck holds out, Corn Elder Thing could contend for the championship. If Reed dies, Coleman doesn't get used to the fullest, or Jeffery doesn't work out, it could slide back in the pack. I think it's more or less guaranteed a top 6 finish though, and a top 6 team with significant upside potential is a team you have to be pretty happy with.

C+
Boy howdy did I get this wrong. It's interesting: I think I correctly identified several of this team's key flaws, but then dismissed them because of the stars at key positions. The horribly unlucky injuries to the star RB and three other players hurt, but they hurt so very much because this team's strength at three positions was paper-thin. And key drafting errors in taking Hoyer, Conner, and Rawls became much more important once the injuries piled up.

I'm still awarding a C+, because I think if DJ hadn't got hurt, this team would still be in the middle of the pack, as I'd suggested. But I was wrong about that being "more or less guaranteed" because I failed to account for the injury risk.

Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Nov 8, 2017

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Dicks Dicks Dicks [etc.] by Risquebarber is a doomed team. He's sitting in fifth place in the standings, which is a solid showing, especially once we consider some brutal injuries; but now he's hosed and will likely end the season in the bottom three. Let's take a look!




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DICKS DICKS DICKS etc./Risquebarber


QBs: D+
Hoo boy. Andy Luck is a lottery ticket at this point, right? Once the golden boy who was going to save the world, we've now seen that Luck is no guarantee; he has tons of potential, but the Colts are often bad and sometimes terrible, and Luck is coming off shoulder surgery. As a QB1 he's a gamble, basically, and Risquebarber has backed him up with not one but two rookies: Patrick Mahomes, a man who Kansas City can afford to develop for at least a full year behind Alex Smith if they want (and they probably want)... and Deshaun Watson, who Texas might well decide to develop for a full year behind Tom Savage. Either of these guys has a shot at starting, and both are on teams where if they do start, they could score some points... but it's just as likely that neither one starts, and that makes this three increasinly dangerous gambles at QB slots. To me that's the worst sin: spending three draft slots on QBs and not winding up with a single solid backup guy who can give the team a safe floor.

D+
Yup. Boy was that Deshaun Watson an amazing pick, huh? Yes indeedy, and his 183 points on the season leads all QBs in our league. But I had this dead right anyway: Mahomes isn't going to play, and Luck was a losing lottery ticket. Risquebarber spent three picks on one starting QB, and that guy is now dead and he will be getting zilch for the rest of the season at the key QB position. Even without the season-ending injury, Watson had a bye week that yeilded 0 for QB, and a bad week 1 of only 9 points, too. He'd undoubtedly have had one or two more poor games ROS. In this format you absolutely need at least two functional QBs in order to pile up points weekly, and Risque didn't secure a guaranteed-starting QB2. That's going to turn out to be a season-destroying mistake.

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RBs: C
Here is a team with no certain RB1. The best guy of the bunch is Todd Gurley, a man on a rebuilding team with new coaching who maybe could be great, but maybe he's just merely good. Bilal Powell is supposedly eclipsing ageing Matt Forte, and he's shown he's got the chops to do it, but while Forte hangs on, Powell can't hope to put together a 1000 yard season. He gets some upside from passing work, but loses it to the tendency to use Forte (or maybe someon else) for goal-line work. Next up is Theo Riddick, coming off wrist surgeries to probably just back up Ameer Abdullah, with Matt Asiata now a Lion possibly for goal line work. I mean, maybe? But probably Riddick is still a RB2 this year with little TD potential and unlikely to break 500 yards. C.J. Prosise will get some touches in Seattle, but that situation is shaping up to be a comittee and Thomas Rawls is too good for Prosise to really steal all of his carries. I think we're looking at a hot hand thing there. Finally we have Devontae booker, who probably shouldn't even be owned unless you're convinced Jamaal Charles is actually done (which maybe he is, yeah), and rookie D'Onta Foreman, who could well beat out Alfred Blue for the RB2 job in Texas, but that's not guaranteed and that's second fiddle to Lamar Miller. There's only one overlap at bye week and it's not an important one (Riddick and Foreman), so I think what we have here are some high-upside gambles with Powell and Gurley, some low-upside gambles with Prosise and Riddick, and some longshots with Foreman and Booker. There's no safe pick in the bunch, and that's not a good way to spend all six of your RB picks. I would have liked to see a solid safe RB1 choice mixed in with all the backups and risky plays.

C+
I'm upgrading my grade because what I viewed as a gamble turned out to be a solid RB1 choice in Gurley. He's the only player other than Deshaun on this team who has accumulated over 100 points on the season, and his 146 is very very good; only Kareem Hunt has more, at 150, and the third guy in the league is Zeke at 141, with Leveon Bell running up in 4th place. That's a hell of a company to be in the mix with, and there's no signs Gurley is going to fall out of their mix.

Pretty much the rest of my analysis was spot on, though, and I'm holding the grade at a C+ as a result. Bilal Powell has been a backup but still useful, particularly his week 4 huge game, but also contributing 9 points on two games and a handful on a few others. Prosise didn't work out, Foreman is being used but is just a backup, Booker is in the same arena, and Theo Riddick is Just A Guy, slightly more useful than those dudes but not as useful as backup Bilal Powell. Todd Gurley may have survived where other stars on this team did not, but we see here the same principle as I've discussed previously for this and other teams: one star followed by a roster of nothing but backups is highly vulnerable to injury and just doesn't cut it, particularly for positions where you need 2-3 players per week to have good games.

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WRs: B
Seven WRs including OBJ and Brandin Cooks as solid WR1 and 2 choices. Cooks is a Patriot now but he should still be featured. Corey Coleman and Tyler Lockett should both be solid, if unreliable, WR2 guys who will have a few big score weeks. Josh Doctson lost his rookie year to recovering from injury, but there's lots of upside potential there if he's as good as his draft spot suggested. Then there's a couple of rookies, Corey Davis and JuJu Smith-Schuster. Davis may be the WR2 in Tennesee, unless Tajae Sharpe or Rishard Matthews are, so his actual role isn't clear yet but there's a chance he shines. Smith-Schuster has maybe just as tough competition but a better WR, but he's basically the same deal: maybe he'll be the slot guy or maybe Eli Rogers beats him and he is a benchwarmer. All told though I like this set of WRs with one drawback; two have week 8 byes, and three week 9; and there's seven of them, while RB, QB, and D/ST are all weak.

B
I'm not gonna downgrade the grade here just because ODB and Corey Coleman both died. I was pretty much spot on with the rest of the guys: Cooks has been a great contributor, Lockett has been Lockett, Doctson did nothing weeks 1-2 but has been worked into the mix and a couple of TDs have made him periodically a starter, and while Corey Davis did not pan out, JuJu Smith-Schuster totally did. This week, Cooks and Smith-Schuster are both on bye, though, so that's gonna hurt. Dicks Dicks Dicks is only 13 points behind me in the standings, sitting at the middle of the league in position 6, but this week I expect he'll be falling back due to WRs in addition to falling back due to QBs.

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TEs: B
Travis Kelce is as sure of a thing at TE as you can get; even better than Gronk in terms of injury risk vs. on-field potential. Charles Clay is a perfectly good TE2 to own, and taking a third TE just in case is a good idea for this oft-injured position. Adam Shaheen is a rookie in Chicago, though, and behind both Zach Miller and Dion Sims. He just hasn't got the lottery ticket potential given his situation, so why spend the slot? I'd give Risquebarber an A if he'd grabbed a veteran option like a Will Tye or even an Antonio Gates instead: worse, Risque drafted Shaheen before Clay, in the 19th round.

B
Yup. Kelce is still Kelce, Clay has been a useful backup, and Shaheen is a wasted pick who will not contribute. Gates would have been a better option, although Tye is now unemployed and so that would have been an even worse pick, lol. You know who else got drafted after Shaheen? Mike Glennon. And a bunch of D/STs were available, too.

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D/STs: C
The cardinals are a very good defense. But there's only the one D/ST on this team, which is... not good. It'll be a zero on week 8, and there will surely be other poor showings, and the free slot was used, presumably, on one of the several redundant not-great RBs, the extra lottery ticket QB, or the extra rookie third string Chicago tight end.

D.
Oh, hey, I was totally wrong: the cardinals are not a "very good defense," they're a mediocre defense. Woops! They've had two 3-point games, and their high on the season was 18, in week 2 against the dog-rear end colts. Going with just one defense was a bad plan: making it the Cards was worse.

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OVERALL GRADE: C
This is a team that has weaknesses sufficient to overcome its strengths. If Risquebarber is lucky, he could crack the top six, but in my judgement he's got zero chance at a win. The strongest spots are at WR and TE, but a weak QB corps and a missing D/ST sabotages the team, and the lackluster RB set is unlikely to boost the team into contention.

C-
I think I pretty much nailed it on this one. If both Beckham and Watson hadn't been hurt, a finish in maybe fourth place was attainable: but without a QB2, D/ST2, poor performers behind Gurley and Beckham, and too many wasted picks, this team still could not have contended. That said, I'm very sympathetic to the losses here, and honestly there was a chance that Alex Smith plays like Alex Smith and Mahomes gets rolled out, Andy Luck is fully healed and starts by game 3, Josh Doctson has the standout rookie year he was expected to have if he hadn't been hurt last year, and everything comes up roses, this could have flipped the script and seemed like a genius play. Right?

Ehhh, no, life is too cruel. Sorry, Risquebarber.

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